grime in 2004

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tings in boots
r.u.f.f
raw 2 da core
everything down
pied piper (u pick a
pied piper skepta rmx (instr)
anna
tinchy - screwface http://www.rwdmag.com/music_player/?id=521
lethal injection (instr)
root (instr)
misty cold (instr)
ur love feels (instr)

off the top of the dome. i left off 'move' and the offical rmxs cos they suck, put on tinchy on icerink if u want. obv mirc, dc++ and radio spods might be better equipped 4 this

candour floss (mwah), Saturday, 16 October 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

(u pick a vocal) i mean. also i think theres another ok riddim on the back of one of 'move' or 'ur love' but i wasnt overly wow about it

spencer will also like j-sweet/sarah j/d double - burning up form cameo's last show

candour floss (mwah), Saturday, 16 October 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"These Days", it's the best Rapid misty cold ice palace riddim and no one ever reps for it. Plus amazing lyrics.

2tekz, Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

It's kind of like on Zelda when you step in front of the icy cold breath dragon thing and turn into a big block of ice.

HEY DOES ANYONE REMEMBER DANNY WEED? HIS OLD STUFF IS STILL REALLY THE BEST MUSIC EVER MADE.

2tekz, Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

ahhh yeah my bad. it's no way the best tho! oh hey is 'these days' is the vocal of root? it sounds familiar but my room is way too messy to check

candour floss (mwah), Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

*Listening now to the Cameo show* It's a good track, but the "soul" in the vocal is maybe a little too 'earnest'? That Cage track that kicks it off is really great - although he does a couple annoying lyric shoe-horns that I'm not so into. I hope there's a dub. The Delinquent track is interesting as it's almost a Craig David 2-step throwback.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

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candour floss (mwah), Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

i feel like i've been claiming the collipark slow jamz is better than the og!

candour floss (mwah), Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

i have the new album from some midlands crew called class a, whos album is called life of grime. cant say its too hot though.

DVD (dickvandyke), Saturday, 16 October 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

well theres a new sort of in depth feature on grime in the new issue of mojo magazine, using dizzee as one of the main focuses. its a cool enough piece, not really saying all that much really that we havent heard before, or any new insights as such, but its cool enough to see it in mojo (even if their review of showtime was eloquent yet completely vague and content-less).

DVD (dickvandyke), Saturday, 16 October 2004 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i have a few quick q's as its almost the end of the year:

how do people in the scene compare 2004 to 2003? better/worse/different in what way?

have there been any minor/major general changes in the music/scene?

is the scene in danger of becoming too hip hoppy or MC-based?

DVD (dickvandyke), Saturday, 16 October 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

is the scene in danger of becoming too hip hoppy or MC-based?

I'd say that happened in 2001.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 16 October 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

POX Grime in 2004 please

Deitrich Neinster, Saturday, 16 October 2004 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link

"Spencer, "R.U.F.F." is about a year and a half old. I talked about it here. I wrote about it at the bottom of this post."

Not that it matters now, but when I wrote this I intended to use the second sentence to link to my post and then wrote the third by mistake. Just in case Spencer thought I was getting snitchy about him not being on the ball (and credit where credit's due, it was Luka who got me onto that track).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 17 October 2004 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"i feel like i've been claiming the collipark slow jamz is better than the og! "

You feel correct and vindictated?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 17 October 2004 01:32 (nineteen years ago) link

HEY I HAVE SOME GRIME MP3S AM I COOL

2TEKZ, Sunday, 17 October 2004 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

What the, is Skepta spitting now or has Jim Jones got an English accent?

2tekz, Sunday, 17 October 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Just in case Spencer thought I was getting snitchy about him not being on the ball

Not at all! And I like the "shivery oscillator synth" description. Actually with grime, I always feel like release dates etc are a little, uh, murky. I'm never sure if I'm way ahead or way behind on any particular track.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 17 October 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey Martin, what's going on with Deuce? I'd like to subscribe but they only seem to have put out about three issues in the last year or so. And I can't ever find it in any shops - is it only distributed in London?

Jason J, Sunday, 17 October 2004 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

www.deucemag.com

or co.uk

rolldeep are on rinse fm right now.....

splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 17 October 2004 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

......... and they are MCing over some GREAT dubs, which would be greater if i knew what they were. n/m.

splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 17 October 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

i wish someone released an album of radio shows like this. sometimes i think they capture the energy of what grime is all about better than the actual proper songs.

DVD (dickvandyke), Sunday, 17 October 2004 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG, wiley sounds so ill over this beat dizzee used on showtime (i think its the hype talk beat, cant remember the name, ive heard kano kill it too).

splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 17 October 2004 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I looked on the Deuce site... it's kind of sparse, though, and there's only been three issues since the N.A.S.T.Y one I have (dated July 2003). I'd like to subscribe but it seems a bit sketchy for a so-called bi-monthly, that's all.

Class A are from Leicester, they put out a couple of 12"s on Platinum Projects (XL imprint) early last year. They were using Playstation back then but I don't think they are anymore.

Jason J, Sunday, 17 October 2004 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

deuce had a lot of back issues on the site last time i looked. 3.50 per issue though.

class a, to *me* at least, from the first few tracks of their album i heard, dont sound all that much like the grime stuff coming out of london right now. they seem to remind me more of early proto-grime and stuff like that. only heard a few songs though, which i skipped through cos it didnt do much for me. bit odd how XL didnt want wiley but want these guys.

splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 17 October 2004 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link

B-Live's "Merkers" might have some older sonic tricks in the beat that Wiley has flipped before, but the raps are serious. Dude comes off on the flow tip. I hear it's blowing up pretty big on the streets too, so that's cool.

Other track I'm feeling, "No Help, No Handouts" by Unorthodox. A killer female emcee and a couple dudes over some dark Castlevania ambience, it's a winning combination. Big tune.

Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Monday, 18 October 2004 00:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Deuce is due to relaunch this year, with the mighty chantelle fiddy as editor.

back issues are worth chasing, esp the one with the Jammer mix CD. 20-30 tracks mixed; they still sound fresh.

the Run the Road comp has a new track from Unorthadox's Nolay (the killer female emcee, mentioned above). look out for that this nov.

also re Danny Weed, he produced the Roll Deep track on Run the Road. it features this chicago-house-esque piano loop plus trim, wiley n co. mmm...

martin (martin), Monday, 18 October 2004 09:46 (nineteen years ago) link

was it an i-d editorial slip up that saw fiddy write a piece on 'dutty goodz'??

candour floss (mwah), Monday, 18 October 2004 10:05 (nineteen years ago) link

oh wait there he is on the 679 comp. what's going on?

candour floss (mwah), Monday, 18 October 2004 10:08 (nineteen years ago) link

he's changed his name, thats all. there's a new song doing the rounds with doogz/goodz that's with dizzee - 'stretch' thats im really into at the moment. it might be an old one though, not sure.

DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 10:25 (nineteen years ago) link

the dizzee/goodz tune is old, but he has changed his name recently because he felt mainstream people couldnt pronounce Doogz...

martin (martin), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

odd reason.

DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

haha maybe cos westwood called him "dirty dogs"

candour floss (mwah), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:38 (nineteen years ago) link

westwood cant pronounce much though. he gets flummoxed when saying 'talib kweli'. plus, he says lots of words in odd ways. doogz should have said 'its like er, dirty *moogs*, but doogz'.

DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link

For anyone who is interested, we are putting on Lady Sovereign this Thursday (Glasgow), Friday (Edinburgh) and Saturday (Dundee). I would go into more detail but hate the idea of being a spammer, so just email me.

___ (___), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

is crazy titch supporting, as he was with Sov n D12?

martin (martin), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Roll Deep's Flying Away is absolutely amazingly lovely, lovely vocals, wicked lead guitar, and obviously excellent lyrics from R.D.
Also, 'you can meet me I'll be round candy'.
DEE and Footsie on Tubby's show the other night - his Braindead mix of Big ED's Frontline has the horibblist sub-bass I've heard since LFO.
B-Live merks that Fire Hydrant riddim. He's also got a good track out produced by Skandalouz Unlimited - something about 'Dogs' I think.
Ruff Sqwad, 'Ur Love Feels' - they are KILLING IT. Guns'n'Roses mixtape I literally cannot wait for - may have to track them down and pilfer it from there computer. "When it's on, when it's real, stand up tall, like Dill" - merkers!
DVD I have that Wiley/Trim/Scratchy set, e-mail me and i'll try and sort it out.

thsmrtlsnd, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"B-Live merks"

this phrase sounds totally weird to me. granted i've not heard this, but every other time ive heard b-live, he has appeared to be the worst mc ever. like, thanks for rendering cd1 of 'street beats' unlistenable dude! granted, its mostly about his shocking 'american' accent, but maybe hes dropped that.

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

b-live on fire hydrant = MURKERY!

as far as random grime observations, can i say its odd how no one on ILX except a few people that seem to get shot down think dizzee has somewhat strayed from grime. or perhaps he hasnt, hes just redefining it. or perhaps that last sentence is an easy way to avoid admitting that hes gone a bit pop (or 'slick') on the new album. i was perusing the boards of rwdmag and 1xtra and some signs of dissension are about (predictably!).

DVD (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

A fair amount of the lyrics on Showtime are things I'd heard before on pirate, so in that sense I feel he's still grime. Personally I love the production on the new LP, it may be slicker but if you listen a lot of grime instrumentals then compared to a year or so ago they invariably sound slicker. 'Trapped', although not on the album, is as grime as you could get. I also like the idea of some more cuts in the scene sounding like 'Everywhere', very slightly slower tempo but also half-time feel - and that bass! It could be a good look.

thsmrtlsnd, Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck all this sub-Reynolds shit... Who heard ALPHA OMEGA on deja last night? They're this African/Italian/Turkish/Asian rap crew from North ends on Dice Recordings, they all have throwback grimy mid-90's Queensbridge style flows, like AZ, CNN & all them, really nice thoughtful lyrics, and they sound nothing like Dipset. Check Govt Names soon for an exclusive write up.

SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

didnt hear it. but im starting to get less impressed about the state of grime MC-ing.

DVD (dickvandyke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

this might be cos ive overplayed that run the road comp and think grime MCs arent as good at making songs as they are at just rhyming over dubs.

DVD (dickvandyke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

this might be cos ive overplayed that run the road comp and think grime MCs arent as good at making songs as they are at just rhyming over dubs.

this is my theory. grime just doesnt sound good on individual tracks/albums as bits of radio shows/raves. they shoudl release a "best of de ja" or something. that would be better than all these mixtapes.

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I totally disagree on this. There's been plenty of "songs" with proper choruses and shit since like 2002 that outweigh the Lord Of The Decks style freestyles and vocal dubs. A best of deja would be amazing still. DVD, you're always banging on about the poor state of garage mcing but what MCs are you talking about exactly, just out of interest? Or what mcs do you think are good lyricists?

SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

But yeah i guess the mixtape thing is a bit pointless if you have radio access and are prepared to wade through all the funky house every station seems to be playin these days.

SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

ambrose OTM. I listen to Ruff Sqwad and Roll Deep radio sessions far more than I do yer Lord of the Decks or Boy In Da Cornerses. Having said that - LOTD3! Coming soon!

The only grime MC that I can take over straight hip hop is J2k. Heat In The Streets 2 is really quite good for this! Actually, maybe J2K is just a UKHH MC clinging to the COATTAILS of grime....

adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

But Adam, Kano over "What We Do"!!!!

SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

To my shame, I still haven't heard that. Anyone sharing it?

adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Or gmailing it????

adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link


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