I like that "Relay" does the same trick as "Once In A Lifetime" (albeit in a more brutal fashion), keeping the same pulse but offsetting where the downbeat lies for the verses (and as a bonus, switching into compound time, very cool)
― we have no stan but to choice (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:35 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
Oh nooo, I thought we established that Once in a Lifetime doesn't do this! And I don't think this one does either. The downbeat is exactly the same, the phrases are even, it's just that the melody starts on an upbeat. I think we must just hear rhythm/arrangements very differently!
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 20 April 2020 15:26 (four years ago) link
whatever it does (and maybe we can all try transcribing the rhythm and compare) it makes my heart flip
― silby, Monday, 20 April 2020 15:45 (four years ago) link
Heavy Bjork energy from 'Newspaper'
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 20 April 2020 16:22 (four years ago) link
She's such a drummer (like, in her vocal lines and piano parts). The NYer article has a bit about her relationship to rhythm and how she ties it to childhood obsessive tics & tendencies, and yeah, big same.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:03 (four years ago) link
The NYer article has a bit about her relationship to rhythm and how she ties it to childhood obsessive tics & tendencies, and yeah, big same.
big same here, too! that's interesting - never really talked about it here before, but i also had a childhood obsession with rhythm and counting, all the way into my early 20s. i thought of it as the "counting letters", and it involved counting out the letters of words and spaces as 8th notes, with capital letters and punctuation as quarters. "perfect" sentences or phrases were those that ended exactly on the last beat of the "measure", so that the next sentence or phrase would begin again on the downbeat.
i could not stop doing it, to the point where i thought i was actually losing my mind.
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
same here too. i'm a big rhythmic tapper, to the annoyance of many. when i was younger, one of my favorite exercises was to finger-drum through the beats of a song in order (one finger then the next) until the verse or phrase ended on my thumb or pinky.
― edgard varese-type beat (voodoo chili), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link
*mechanically nods back at voodoo and Jordan and Fiona Apple*
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:32 (four years ago) link
Most of mine would involve counting or tapping a number that felt "balanced", which were actually usually odd numbers (like I would see 7 as 3 on each side and 1 in the middle). Really feel like this led to a connection with Euclidean rhythms way before I knew the term, like the various ways five dotted 8th notes fit in a bar of 4/4, etc).
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 20 April 2020 18:40 (four years ago) link
Love to read about other people's weird mental tics btw
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 20 April 2020 18:41 (four years ago) link
I spread like strawberries! I climb like peas and beans
― Mordy, Monday, 20 April 2020 18:53 (four years ago) link
Been shouting that first sentence into the winds on my daily walks since Thursday.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 April 2020 19:13 (four years ago) link
Yeah, the way she just trumpets those lines is cool.
― Fetch the Bolt Thrower (PBKR), Monday, 20 April 2020 22:19 (four years ago) link
in that it sounds like it was screwed together at a workbench
SWEET! I learned a DIY recipe for bolt cutters!
― last updated a group of five done twelve times ago (geoffreyess), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 03:09 (four years ago) link
lol
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 03:10 (four years ago) link
:D
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 03:41 (four years ago) link
have still really not decided how I feel about this album past track one -- I think I might at some point just have to give up and admit that I prefer the idler wheel
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 19:18 (four years ago) link
(track one, though, is brilliant and among the best things she's ever done)
this album reminds me a lot of trilectic the highest praise i can give an album
― Mordy, Thursday, 23 April 2020 16:40 (four years ago) link
i keep expecting eskimo suit to come up next in the sequencing
― Mordy, Thursday, 23 April 2020 16:45 (four years ago) link
expected this to be about the truly-awful-on-all-sides f*nt*no discourse
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 23 April 2020 23:33 (four years ago) link
Newspaper has a Flowers of Romance thing going on... maybe?
― Priory, Thursday, 23 April 2020 23:57 (four years ago) link
oh yeah
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 April 2020 23:59 (four years ago) link
Also - Jordan I have to pick your brain about ‘balanced’ rhythms and geometry and so on
― Priory, Thursday, 23 April 2020 23:59 (four years ago) link
Pretty sure Whiney was the last (if not only) ilxor to give a fuck about F*nt*no, and he's been scarce of late.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 23 April 2020 23:59 (four years ago) link
keep that shit outta this thread for as long as possible imo
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 24 April 2020 00:05 (four years ago) link
I heard a Flowers of Romance last week too.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 April 2020 00:14 (four years ago) link
*a FOR approach
Some thoughts. . .
So I've been mulling this over for a while now and I'd just like to make a generally unclear post.
I've been a Fiona Apple fan since I was 19. The majority of my life at this point. Being a male into her music has always carried a bit of stigma along with it — hell, I've been a fan long enough to remember when being a fan, regardless of gender, was something that needed to be defended. My point in bringing this up is that, across the board in my travels, up until recently, the people who have been traditionally the most critical have been females. I've met many other people who were fans (casual to even bigger than myself), but none of those people (save one) who were simultaneously accepting of her music and critiquing it fairly were female. I've certainly met other female fans, but they will always have a superfluous, unrelated to the music, criticism. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, as I have absolutely no place to tell anyone how to treat or perceive their peers. I just don't understand it.
The biggest thing that I've seen as a criticism to her music —and I'm not saying that I share this view at all— is that she portrays herself as a "damsel in distress" and, subsequently, caters to a cliched "male fantasy" of rescuing the girl. No matter how many discussions I've had —going back to defending myself just for enjoying her music— I've ultimately been made to feel like I'm giving her music "extra credit" because of how she presents herself.
This is infuriating.
She's fucking brilliant and always has been. Truth be told, I've considered her like a makeshift soul singer for a very long time. 60s and 70s soul music was honestly the first time as a music fan I found myself listening to artists sing and talk about things and ideas that I had no knowledge of — and still finding myself able to understand and enjoy that perspective all the same. That's what soul music is after all, right? This new record is possibly her best one yet —especially in this regard— and, basically having grown up with her music, it's unbelievably satisfying.
To see that the vitriol towards her is seemingly stronger than ever is so disappointing. But maybe that will change as hopefully a new generation of fans will get into her wonderful music on the strength of the new album.
What a fantastic and expertly articulated album.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, 26 April 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
What vitriol? It’s the most critically acclaimed album in years! Idk, if you’re hanging out in any online places that are tossing vitriol at Fiona right now (not to be confused with genuine thoughtful critiques, I’m not saying everyone HAS to love the album)...maybe stop going to those places?
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 27 April 2020 00:42 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I'm with Evol -- i've heard nothing but positive things about this album (granted mainly here on ILM, but also all the rave reviews).
Side note: my 8-year-old spent the weekend singing "I spread like strawberries, I climb like peas and beans". The number of listens required to get these songs stuck in your head is really astonishingly low.
― enochroot, Monday, 27 April 2020 01:44 (four years ago) link
Heavy Balloon through the end hits so fucking hard but it lands lightly somehow? Teary eyes, but I just start the album over again.
― Nudeln und Klopapier Gore (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 27 April 2020 03:03 (four years ago) link
The number of listens required to get these songs stuck in your head is really astonishingly low.
otm - my partner, not a Fiona fan, started humming “kick me under the table all you want, I won’t shut up, I won’t shut up” unprompted today even though I’ve played it through for him only a few times so far.
The stickiness could hurt in the long run I feel - I’m already wary that I’m going to burn out on this album too quickly.
― Roz, Monday, 27 April 2020 11:52 (four years ago) link
Epicenter of the Anti-Fiona vitriol :I HATE APPLE
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 27 April 2020 11:54 (four years ago) link
I currently have multiple hooks stuck in my head, probably with the wrong lyrics.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 27 April 2020 13:02 (four years ago) link
― Priory, Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:59 PM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink
haha sure. Maybe we should have a thread for our musical OCD.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 27 April 2020 14:34 (four years ago) link
I’m so sad that this fucking quarantine is making us miss some potentially genius live performances of this record.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 05:08 (four years ago) link
Fiona is notoriously histrionic when performing live, she’s always in “the zone”, doesn’t break character much live. There’s many manic moments in here that I’m dying to see played live.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 05:23 (four years ago) link
/Also - Jordan I have to pick your brain about ‘balanced’ rhythms and geometry and so on― Priory, Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:59 PM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink/haha sure. Maybe we should have a thread for our musical OCD.
― Together Again Or (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 11:44 (four years ago) link
we haven't talked enough about how good For Her is
― silby, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 16:16 (four years ago) link
I don't even know what's going on in it but it's good
I haven't found a weak song yet.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 16:27 (four years ago) link
good morning!
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 16:32 (four years ago) link
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 16:54 (four years ago) link
The downbeat is exactly the same, the phrases are even, it's just that the melody starts on an upbeat. I think we must just hear rhythm/arrangements very differently!
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, April 20, 2020 8:26 AM (two weeks ago)
Yeah, you're right.
― silby, Monday, 4 May 2020 16:42 (four years ago) link
Nearly 2500 words that could easily be summed up in 5: "I don't get difficult music."
https://longreads.com/2020/05/04/i-dont-like-fiona-apple/
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 03:41 (four years ago) link
oh my god no
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 03:46 (four years ago) link
There are a lot of sentences in there that are very strange coming from a purported music critic.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 03:47 (four years ago) link
But the second I heard whatever that sound is, I don’t know, a keyboard and cymbals chucka-chucka-chucka-ing, I thought, “Fuck, no.” I am not listening to that experimental shit.
Wut kind of music does this person usually listen to(?)
― I eat fast foods (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 03:47 (four years ago) link
xp She's not a music critic, unless you mean Carl.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 03:48 (four years ago) link
I thought the essay was an honest examination of Roberts's own reaction to the album within the inescapable context of other people's reactions. It's not meant to be a review.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 03:50 (four years ago) link