What he makes of that lexicon is quite different from the usual fare, down to the self-reflexive complaint about 'imprecise words', but that doesn't appear to meet the criteria you've set for yourself. How about this 'classic', then?
https://genius.com/Aesop-rock-daylight-lyrics
― pomenitul, Saturday, 30 May 2020 23:49 (four years ago) link
I had drafted a response fearful for the future of this board... but op might enjoy MF DOOM?
― maffew12, Saturday, 30 May 2020 23:58 (four years ago) link
And… Deltron 3030?
― pomenitul, Saturday, 30 May 2020 23:59 (four years ago) link
I was so sure this was an ancient revive
^^^^
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:00 (four years ago) link
Unfortunately, a look at Deltron 3030 and MF Doom lyrics shows plenty of rapping about rapping.
I am still especially keen for recommendations from outside English-speaking countries. I know that many listeners abroad do not speak English to a level sufficient to understand the lyrics of American hip-hop. It is the beats and the delivery which tickle their fancy, while the actual words might as well be Prisencolinensinainciusol to them. Therefore, there must be artists somewhere on earth who have imitated this genre of words recited over a beat, but with a lyrical approach completely separate from original American hip-hop.
― Melomane, Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:08 (four years ago) link
The French and Romanian hip-hop I like does not pass your cruel test. And you haven't told me whether Aesop Rock makes the cut.
Are you looking for a rap adaptation of Anne-Marie Albiach's ÉTAT?
http://www.theoperatingsystem.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/nudite-e1492809194610.png
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:14 (four years ago) link
https://youtu.be/-CmmdBWKnPM
― Shampoo for my real friends (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:23 (four years ago) link
I have never read Albiach, though I am a fan of Emmanuel Hocquard which Albiach's Wikipedia article mentions as a related figure. But sure, I would love to find rap which lyrically resembles 20th-century modernist poetry. The reason why I mentioned Scott Walker’s Climate of Hunter album as an example of what I would love to find a rap analogue of, is because that is a lyrical approach which feels of a piece with the kind of poetry I like reading.
― Melomane, Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:24 (four years ago) link
I'm starting to think that you should become such a rapper (not even kidding).
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:27 (four years ago) link
How long before the bragging started though?
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:28 (four years ago) link
now thinking that what the OP wants is in fact the work of ILX user 'usic'
write a rap about onions
― imago, Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:29 (four years ago) link
https://genius.com/Parappa-the-rapper-you-guys-sit-in-the-back-instructor-mooselinis-rap-lyrics
― emil.y, Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:33 (four years ago) link
That's because you just got your license!(Woo hooo!! Yes!!)
(Woo hooo!! Yes!!)
pure, untrammelled braggadocio
― imago, Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:35 (four years ago) link
Just throw some beats on top:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYxpSjkyAg
This is totally an instance of self-aggrandizement tho:
No Greek will be ableto discriminate my body.An Americanis a complex of occasions,themselves a geometryof spatial nature.
to discriminate my body.
An American
is a complex of occasions,
themselves a geometry
of spatial nature.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:38 (four years ago) link
troll level: expert
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:41 (four years ago) link
Troll or not, I think this is a worthwhile question. If the kind of hip-hop Melomane is looking for is really that scarce, that would be interesting. It might be fun to think about why certain genres are so strongly associated with certain lyrical tropes that instances of the genre without those tropes are rare. Melomane mentioned country and "oldies rock" as two other candidates.
― JRN, Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:52 (four years ago) link
man ILM is so much nicer than it used to be. i remember getting absolutely flamed by s.clover way back in the day for talking up DOOM and backpacker shit too much.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:53 (four years ago) link
Just wait till deej gets here.
Btw I agree with JRN that this makes for an interesting thought experiment: how far can you stretch the lyrical material before it becomes 'un-hip-hoppy'? And should such a putative limit exist in the first place?
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:55 (four years ago) link
I still don't understand the negative response to my question here, let alone me being called a troll. Jazz was a genre defined by improvisation, but today it would be entirely valid for someone here to ask "Where can I find jazz that has no little or no improvisational element?" (there is music where the musicians perform entirely from a fixed written score, but which is categorized among jazz for reasons). The first half of the 20th century saw a revolution in classical music where it no longer had to necessary follow tonal harmony or even a written score at all. Rock 'n' roll, as I mentioned, stopped being solely music of rebellion or imitating bluesmen within two decades of its creation. Afrobeat now gets performed by people far away from Africa and unconcerned with the same issues that Fela Kuti was.
So, why is hip-hop so different?
― Melomane, Sunday, 31 May 2020 00:59 (four years ago) link
Chief Rocker Busy Bee
― maffew12, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:00 (four years ago) link
Aesop Rock largely avoids the tropes I mentioned, so I guess he is an answer to my question. Still, his lyrics don't grab me and I am unlikely to listen to him for pleasure.
― Melomane, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:00 (four years ago) link
Current US political discourse.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:01 (four years ago) link
You wish to aestheticize it, and that is viewed as a politically charged cop-out in its own right. Perhaps doubly so given what's at stake as we speak.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:02 (four years ago) link
give Count Bass D's "begborrowsteel" a listen. I guess I have found his slight and abstract disses pretty refreshing, now that I think of it that way
― maffew12, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:07 (four years ago) link
Yes, and that backlash feels unfair, considering that I am not from the USA. Of course, anyone should be concerned about injustices around the world, but when it comes to listening to music for mere pleasure (or reading poetry for pleasure), it is not clear why my preferences should reflect the specific societal tensions in some other country.
― Melomane, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:07 (four years ago) link
it is not clear why my preferences should reflect the specific societal tensions in some other country
I'm with you on that, but this is ilxor.com. On the internet, nobody knows you're not an American.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:10 (four years ago) link
Not just some other country though, the other country.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:11 (four years ago) link
I personally haven't assumed that other posters here are American. After all, didn't ILM largely start as a community for fans of a Scottish twee-pop band?
― Melomane, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:15 (four years ago) link
Stee-lo
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:16 (four years ago) link
I personally haven't assumed that other posters here are American.
Neither have I, but (some of) us non-Americans like to joke about their (sub)conscious online imperialism (Tom is our undisputed leader).
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:23 (four years ago) link
what are the acceptable drugs for trope-free hip-hop to mention? is alcohol ok?
― ufo, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:26 (four years ago) link
https://jukebox.openai.com/?song=802877581 heres some hip-hop with no lyrical tropes
― ufo, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:27 (four years ago) link
god level trolling
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:46 (four years ago) link
Why not just listen to Japanese hip-hop, or Arabic hip-hop, or hip-hop in literally any language you don't speak? You can tell yourself they're rapping about anything you feel like.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:49 (four years ago) link
I was hanging back from a morbidly curious distance for awhile but it now occurs to me that I might actually know something along the lines of what OP is looking for, and it’s this B L A C K I E album:https://blackieallcapswithspaces.bandcamp.com/album/imagine-your-self-in-a-free-and-natural-world-2014
Best of luck
― really looking forward to wearily scrolling past all your posts (Champiness), Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:55 (four years ago) link
T. S. Eliot: 'the music of poetry is not something which exists apart from the meaning. Otherwise, we could have poetry of great musical beauty which made no sense, and I have never come across such poetry'.
I'll let you be the judge of this quote.
xp
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:55 (four years ago) link
i've narrowed it down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Sunday, 31 May 2020 08:22 (four years ago) link
Quality trolling, good luck sir. May I recommend a different style of music altogether?
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 31 May 2020 09:03 (four years ago) link
No, hold on, found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGUjkvqkmQI
― Shampoo for my real friends (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 31 May 2020 09:58 (four years ago) link
no he's clearly bragging about his rapping, we're looking for lyrics that are in no way self-referential or make use of metaphor or other imagery but aren't abstract and are about nice things like not being uppity or situated in any sociopolitical context whatsoever
― Mambo Number 5 was a number one jam (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 May 2020 10:09 (four years ago) link
Me, an intellectual: hmm yeah sorta like that but could you maybe make it a bit more non-idiomaticDerek Bailey: *picks up instrument*Me: bzzzt try again fool
― What fash heil is this? (wins), Sunday, 31 May 2020 10:16 (four years ago) link
I'd also like to also propose Shakespeare without all that unpleasant regicide and crime novels where the plot is someone asks a nice policeman for directions.. lol this fucking thread!
― calzino, Sunday, 31 May 2020 10:19 (four years ago) link
This one might be more your thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOgC8qp_I2Y
― cajunsunday, Sunday, 31 May 2020 11:03 (four years ago) link
^^^bragging AND rapping about rap, why won't you people help a poster lol
― imago, Sunday, 31 May 2020 11:04 (four years ago) link
Look, here is a rap about playing Zork, I hope everyone is happy now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nigRT2KmCE
― Shampoo for my real friends (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 31 May 2020 11:23 (four years ago) link
Your Eliot quote, pomenitul, may have been true of its time, Eliot had never come across such poetry. But then shortly thereafter the whole "sound poetry" movement took off, poets like Gerhard Rühm who wrote poems consisting purely of nonsense syllables chosen for the musical effect of the whole.
The suggestion that I listen to hip-hop in a language I don’t understand does seem like an honest attempt to answer my request in the OP, so thanks. But the problem here is that one of my biggest hobbies is language-learning, so I probably would not be oblivious to the lyrics for long. It is hard to invest in an artist if you know there is a big risk of disappointment at some point. I actually already experienced this with Japanese, where several of the artists I liked years ago before I learned Japanese, now make me cringe because of the lyrics.
― Melomane, Sunday, 31 May 2020 12:14 (four years ago) link
"Where can I find jazz that has no little or no improvisational element?"
We did have this thread:
What's with that constant cymbal tapping in jazz drumming?
― fo' schnitzel (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 31 May 2020 12:24 (four years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Unwanted_Song
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 12:24 (four years ago) link
fuck this troll, especially today
― here 1st (roxymuzak), Sunday, 31 May 2020 12:58 (four years ago) link
I am not from the USA … it is not clear why my preferences should reflect the specific societal tensions in some other country.
Could you address this, roxymuzak?
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 13:01 (four years ago) link
was poptimism a twee conspiracy
the actual portmanteau is "conspiratwee"
― (so serious) (DJP), Monday, 1 June 2020 17:55 (four years ago) link
hehe
― maffew12, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:57 (four years ago) link
the answer to op has been staring us in the face this entire time
Can't see the wood for the twees.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Monday, 1 June 2020 17:58 (four years ago) link
Ah, sit down and learn of the Before Times. In yonder days, when I first went 'whuh' at a newsgroup in 1993...
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 June 2020 18:00 (four years ago) link
ha, I was on Usenet in 1989
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 1 June 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link
gentlemen, braggadocio
― maffew12, Monday, 1 June 2020 21:45 (four years ago) link
On alt.rocknroll.metal.metallica you can see a 16 year old me preaching Christian faith to metalheads who really didn't want it while simultaneously saying "FUCK YOU" to people who didn't like Load
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 June 2020 21:48 (four years ago) link
Did you manage to convert anyone to either of the two?
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 June 2020 21:49 (four years ago) link
Yes, 1 person. I convinced myself both views were wrong
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 June 2020 21:51 (four years ago) link
lol holy shit. There's a new "internet legacy" thread and we'd like to hear more
― maffew12, Monday, 1 June 2020 21:57 (four years ago) link
okay, now i'm glad this wasn't locked.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 1 June 2020 23:43 (four years ago) link
nice we could turn this into "where are we anyways?"
― maffew12, Monday, 1 June 2020 23:57 (four years ago) link
did anyone recommend 311
― brimstead, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 00:08 (four years ago) link
The only thing I remember from alt.music.alternative is "Bzangy Groink", though I don't recall what it signifies- Jyoti Mishra's Club night?
Anyhow, wasn't all this the subject of a Tanya Headon IHM column years and years ago?
― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 04:49 (four years ago) link
Ah, yes. Here it is:http://freakytrigger.co.uk/hate/2003/06/dj-format-the-hit-song/
Could DJ Format be just what OP is after? (I've never heard this track.)
― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 04:55 (four years ago) link
ha, missed that. Did this guy ever say where he is supposedly from?
― maffew12, Monday, June 1, 2020 bookmarkflaglink
Braggadocia
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, June 1, 2020 bookmarkflaglink
lol
― Spottie, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 16:26 (four years ago) link
Pictured: OP, a month and a half later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3-5YC_oHjE
― pomenitul, Thursday, 16 July 2020 21:13 (three years ago) link
🎵 braggadocio and put it in your pocket, save it for a rainy day 🎵
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 16 July 2020 21:15 (three years ago) link
Harsh on such a well-respected, allround, fully participating and definitely not just here to stoke this particularly lame fire borad member
― Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 17 July 2020 08:55 (three years ago) link
Just got some organic braggadocio in this week's veg box. Please share preparation tips.
― All Diacritics Love Ü (Noel Emits), Friday, 17 July 2020 09:52 (three years ago) link
roast vigorously for 400 posts, serve
― imago, Friday, 17 July 2020 09:55 (three years ago) link