Also found youtube bootlegs of Uri Caine's solo piano Masada record, and the piano trio with Craig Taborn/Christian McBride/Tyshawn Sorey. I'd love to hear that Hall of Mirrors record with the notated piano parts though.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 24 June 2020 14:43 (four years ago) link
I'd love to know the budget breakdown for a standard Tzadik project. Recording time and costs, sales, artist deals.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 24 June 2020 14:46 (four years ago) link
I'm sure Tzadik doesn't have a huge budget, but holy shit, please employ a web designer from the 21st century. The site is maddeningly bad, which is extra frustrating when you know there's tons of cool stuff to discover if only navigating through it all weren't so miserable.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 24 June 2020 15:01 (four years ago) link
Ohhh, Raz Mesinai is Badawi, that makes sense (also explains why that album sounds so amazing, he's the producer and engineer, not the percussionist). I keep running into him under different guises.
xp
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 24 June 2020 15:02 (four years ago) link
Agreed on the website. I think an easier-browsing, easier-using redesign would pay for itself in increased sales pretty quickly.
― Irritable Baal (WmC), Wednesday, 24 June 2020 15:10 (four years ago) link
The blurb to this year's Virtue for guitar trio (Julian Lage, Bill Frisell & Gyan Riley) got a chuckle out of me: 'Softly spiritual music that is perfect for meditative late night listening alone or with a special friend'.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 15:13 (four years ago) link
ha. i often think about what it must be like for whoever has the task of writing the blurbs for 150 Tzadik releases a year.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 24 June 2020 16:16 (four years ago) link
Ok I've really been enjoying kind & gentle Zorn (sans Zorn) the last few days, like the guitar trio album and guitar/harp/vibes trio, both with Frisell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6xPjANLZjA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJKDl7VGUyQ
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 25 June 2020 16:42 (four years ago) link
Love those "Gnostic Trio" gtr/harp/vibes albums, about once a year I'll go through a stretch where I just literally cannot turn them off for a few days straight.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 25 June 2020 16:57 (four years ago) link
Ooh, I need to check these out
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 25 June 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link
It sounds like Tortoise minus drums in a lot of places
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 25 June 2020 17:40 (four years ago) link
Wait, that's what Tortoise sounded like??
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 June 2020 17:40 (four years ago) link
Whereas the guitar trio album was reminding me of like '80s King Crimson-lite (in a good way)
Specifically like 'The Suspension Bridge at Iguazu Falls' Tortoise.
Wait, Sund4r, you aren't into Tortoise?!
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 25 June 2020 17:43 (four years ago) link
And, yes, I do love the Gnostic Trio albums and enjoyed Virtue, which I just listened to, thanks to that Youtube stream. (Will buy this one certainly.) This is what I mean, though: if it is in fact the case that they're basically improvising on heads that Zorn gave them, should they be credited as "John Zorn" albums, as opposed to e.g. "Frisell/Lage/Riley (playing the music of John Zorn)", any more than any other recording where Frisell improvises on heads by any other composer? xp
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 June 2020 17:44 (four years ago) link
Haha, I hated Millions Now Living when my hardcore-loving friends bought it in high school and never really gave them many other chances. Listened to TNT after it came out, when I was in university, and thought it was sort of dumbed-down Reich meets dumbed-down improv. I am far more open to 'dumbed-down' versions of things now, though.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 June 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
Presumably Zorn is guiding the music as they play too.
I was watching this wonderful concert last night. It gives a pretty good view of what his direction looks like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQoIDkVO3mo
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 25 June 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
Just saw this is on the way. Seems like one of the most accessible, mainstream-ish things he has ever done?
John Zorn-Jesse Harris: Songs For Petra [#8374]
Singer Petra Haden excels in this beautiful and unique program of songs penned by the songwriting team of John Zorn and Jesse Harris. Friends for many years, they began working together on The Song Project in 2012, and 8 years later this CD presents the full fruits of their collaboration: 13 Zorn compositions with original lyrics by Jesse Harris. Including the most beautiful melodies from a wide variety of Zorn CDs (and one original that has never appeared on cd before), the melodies are catchy, the lyrics heartfelt, the grooves deep and the solos profound and exhilarating. Backed by the amazing Julian Lage, Jorge Roeder and Kenny Wollesen and produced by Jesse Harris, this is a CD that you will listen to again and again. (Release date: August 2020)
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2020 17:53 (four years ago) link
I scored Frith&Zorn's "late works" for pennies and have found it surprisingly rewarding.
― massaman gai, Thursday, 25 June 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link
For a moment, I thought you meant you wrote or arranged the score.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 June 2020 18:04 (four years ago) link
ha, me too!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link
ha same
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 25 June 2020 18:38 (four years ago) link
What Tortoise should I listen to if I want something like the Gnostic Trio??
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 June 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link
I have no better recommendation than TNT, mostly that one track though. :)
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 25 June 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link
It has been about 20 years since I heard it. P sure I'd appreciate it better now.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 June 2020 19:01 (four years ago) link
re zorn w/out zorn i've been following rjc since the imprint launched and i have an incomplete list of some of my fave stuff from it if anyone is curious:
Barbez! - Bella CiaoJamie Saft - Black ShabbisJamie Saft - Breadcrumb SinsSofia Rei - Beriah vol. 1Cracow Klezmer Band - De ProfundisMycale - Book of Angels V. 13Deveykus - Pillar Without MercyNew Klezmer Trio - Short for SomethingTim Sparks - TanzJewlia Eisenberg - TrilecticDan Kaufman - Force of LightYoshie Fruchter - PitomAyelet Rose Gottleib - Mayim RabimKletka Red - HijackingJon Madof - Zion80Pharoah's Daughter - Out of the Reeds
― Mordy, Thursday, 25 June 2020 19:27 (four years ago) link
Followed a lot of JZs projects in the 80s but the last one I really paid attention to was the original run of Masada. There seems to be a real lack of critical writing about his post 2000 releases. I liked the bomb interview and the Shteamer article was good but that's not a side of his work that I care much about. Something made me start to look through his recent stuff but I feel a bit lost. Picked up the solo Tractatus musico-philisophicus which seems like a new approach to his early solo projects.
The Jeremiah cymerman 5049 podcast has featured interview with many people in the Zorn and tzadik orbit. Cymerman seems close to Zorn personally. There was a good recent episode with engineer Marc Urselli where they talked a fair bit about working with Zorn in the studio.
http://www.5049records.com/podcast/coronacast-3-marc-urselli
― bryan, Thursday, 25 June 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link
I still love Spillane because i bought it when I was 16 after watching put blood in the music and it blew my mind a bit.
― calzino, Thursday, 25 June 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link
if it came out now I'd still think it was pretty frazzled/inspired/brilliant.
― calzino, Thursday, 25 June 2020 21:24 (four years ago) link
xxpdon't mind a bit of Jeremiah Cymerman, quite bleak but I keep going back to it.
― calzino, Thursday, 25 June 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link
Someone should listen to everything Zorn has ever been involved in then do an AMA.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 25 June 2020 21:42 (four years ago) link
Didn't Whiney just do the listening part of that?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 25 June 2020 21:54 (four years ago) link
In case anyone is wondering about your boy, my quarantine/retirement goal is 7 more weeks of coding boot camp + listening to all 266(?) John Zorn albums. Iām on #30 right now and still maintaining sanity. š·š° š š²— Christopher R. Weingarten (@1000TimesYes) March 23, 2020
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 25 June 2020 21:55 (four years ago) link
Hah, I wasn't aware. Props, I may join him on his mad endeavour someday.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 25 June 2020 21:57 (four years ago) link
Wow.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2020 22:00 (four years ago) link
A much longer yet undoubtedly more pleasant experience than merzboxing.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 25 June 2020 22:02 (four years ago) link
I'm currently listening to #216 of 270
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 25 June 2020 22:11 (four years ago) link
What's the longest streak in a row (if any) that has been a real struggle? What has been the longest streak in a row (if any) that has been a real joy?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 June 2020 22:12 (four years ago) link
to my ears, Zorn's genre-hopping is mainly about the encounter of cultures writ large (Jewish, American, Japanese, etc.) and/or subcultures (the avant-garde, jazz, hardcore, etc.). Sexuality is by no means absent from these juxtapositions, especially in his earlier, more overtly 'transgressive' works, but foregrounding it is not a priority for him as far as I can tell.
ā pomenitul, Tuesday, June 23, 2020 1:49 PM (two days ago)
Very OTM
There's an assertion in a lot of his work that anything can be appropriated as "material". Iirc somw of his game pieces used 'found' composition fragments to this effect. The question of attribution that Sund4r has raised is something I've thought about for sure.
Anyway. I always suspected that The Suspension Bridge at Iguazu Falls is based on Encontro by Projecto III.
xxxp woah
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 25 June 2020 22:13 (four years ago) link
ā Josh in Chicago, Thursday, June 25, 2020 6:12 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
You'll have to wait for the AMA!
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 25 June 2020 22:16 (four years ago) link
You better make good on your promise. I'll be sharpening my questions.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 25 June 2020 22:18 (four years ago) link
I'm like 80% in (maybe even more since those Parachute sets are multi-CDs), so I don't see myself stopping
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 25 June 2020 22:23 (four years ago) link
Are you building a comprehensive power rankings list?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 25 June 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link
One for the AMA then, I reckon the game CDs would have been the biggest slog for me but is there anything in there along the same lines as 'Cynical Hysterie Hour?' I love that CD.
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 25 June 2020 22:34 (four years ago) link
Do you have actual cds for most (all?!) of these? Or is this what people still use slsk for.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 25 June 2020 22:42 (four years ago) link
What would the toppermost ones be in a poll, Naked City, Spillane, Masada - Live In Sevilla?
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 25 June 2020 22:48 (four years ago) link
I'd deffo put Alhambra Love Songs and Nova Express in there, just to be controversial and because I liked them.
― calzino, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:25 (four years ago) link
I wonder if it's possible not to enjoy any of Zorn's work at all just by virtue of its sheer sprawl.
― pomenitul, Friday, 26 June 2020 00:27 (four years ago) link
Do you have actual cds for most (all?!) of these? Or is this what people still use slsk for.ā change display name (Jordan), Thursday, June 25, 2020 6:42 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
ā change display name (Jordan), Thursday, June 25, 2020 6:42 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Most Tzadik Zorn stuff up to like 2005 is on Qobuz in CD quality.
I own about 67 Zorn albums on CD
The rest I have to pirate
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 June 2020 02:18 (four years ago) link
I obviously would want to put in a fat, well-informed Tzadik order if I ever get employed again
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 June 2020 02:48 (four years ago) link