I was working with a teacher a few years ago and while out at the pub he told me a story about how Zappa and Beefheart once had an argument about whether there was such a thing as "the right note" - Zappa said there was, Beefheart said there wasn't. I said that it was a good example of why Beefheart was much better than Zappa. He said that he thought it was an example of why Zappa was much better than Beefheart. And that was when we basically stopped getting on with each-other.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 13 August 2020 17:51 (three years ago) link
@kate: i did come away with a positive impression of early mothers, especially the cracked doo-wop stuff on freak out and cruising with ruben and the jets, and i looove zappa's instrumental jazz fusion stuff. uncle meat is sort of lost on me beyond "king kong" and a few other isolated tracks; part of the reason i ended up listening to a lot of beefheart instead was that trout mask replica seems to answer the question "what if uncle meat was 100000x better and way less stupid"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson)
hmmm, that is interesting! personally i don't think "uncle meat" is anything _like_ "trout mask replica". tmr was songs worked out over the course of a year by a killer white blues band in exhaustive brainwashing/rehearsal sessions led by an eccentric megalomaniac and played through basically live in one take. uncle meat is songs, by a weirdo rock guitarist with a semester of composition training and the mistaken impression that he was the second coming of edgard varese, from a hodgepodge of sessions assembled in a strange sort of proto-rundgren maximalist/absurdist stew.
you might like the really early stuff, there's some neat things on "the lost episodes"
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 13 August 2020 17:53 (three years ago) link
i mean they're nothing like each other in conception for sure but i feel like despite that they exude the same odor
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 August 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link
exemplary use of the word "odor" brad.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 13 August 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link
thread idea: albums that smell
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 August 2020 18:41 (three years ago) link
i used to be into zappa, he's seriously not worth it unless you're _really_ into the toxic masculinity thing, which i don't get the impression you are
that's unfair, Zappa has like 75 studio albums, "the toxic masculinity thing" is only on 70 of them
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 August 2020 18:43 (three years ago) link
lol
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 August 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link
this is just to say that i could listen to "kandy korn" over and over again for the rest of my life
honestly the Daphne & Celeste version captures the essence so well I don't really wanna hear the original anymore
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 August 2020 18:55 (three years ago) link
FPed. Which original?
― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:08 (three years ago) link
(xp) Actually I'd never heard that version before, it just reinforces what a genius song it is.
― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:11 (three years ago) link
Love the Daphne & Celeste version but the one on Mirror Man Sessions is in my top 10 tracks of all time.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:12 (three years ago) link
Same here.
― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link
ohhhhhh my fuckin goddddd clear spot is so rad. i should've been listening to this record for years!!!!
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 14 August 2020 00:05 (three years ago) link
hi, Brad
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 August 2020 00:18 (three years ago) link
probably my favorite Beefheart ("Her Eyes Are a Blue Million Miles")
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 August 2020 00:19 (three years ago) link
the "Click Clack" groove is my single fave Beefheart thing
― sleeve, Friday, 14 August 2020 00:22 (three years ago) link
I still own the two-fer that includes The Spotlight Kid.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 August 2020 00:24 (three years ago) link
I mean....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2ZMOKLsiuY
― sleeve, Friday, 14 August 2020 00:49 (three years ago) link
the daphne and celeste version of "kandy korn" is good, but i do think my favorite is the version from the magic band's second '68 peel session. unfortunately good quality recordings are hard to come by - that particular track is around in slightly better quality than the rest of the session from an alternate off-air recording. i also like this older famitracker take:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=360V-7LW5mQ
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 14 August 2020 01:00 (three years ago) link
Stopping by to affirm Brad is 100% otm abt the Strictly Personal stuff (which I've only heard on the Complete Mirror Man Sessions)
― more haim than good (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 14 August 2020 03:37 (three years ago) link
CMMS really does a great job of bridging the gap between Safe as Milk and TMR
― more haim than good (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 14 August 2020 03:39 (three years ago) link
I supplemented my digital copy of "The Mirror Man Sessions" with the bonus tracks from the 1999 reissue of "Safe As Milk", they make a great extension and give a complete picture. There might be more from these sessions on the "Grow Fins" box but I don't think they're critical.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 17 August 2020 19:00 (three years ago) link
Great write-up about Doc At The Radar Station in The Quietus today:
https://thequietus.com/articles/28822-doc-at-the-radar-station-captain-beefheart-anniversary-review
― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 21:00 (three years ago) link
Thanks will check that out later
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 August 2020 08:18 (three years ago) link
ta for the link, spent the last hour looking at Hilma af Klint paintings. she's awesome!
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 08:23 (three years ago) link
Nice enough interviews. Lol @ the Throbbing Gristle 'like'
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 August 2020 09:06 (three years ago) link
I love you, big dummy!. My playlist.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 10:10 (three years ago) link
wow i really love ice cream for crow. my favorite of the final three
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 28 August 2020 01:41 (three years ago) link
"Don Van Fliet"
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 28 August 2020 01:53 (three years ago) link
Don't remember seeing this thread before the past week; it's gotten me looking around---a bunch of skeevey-looking CDs still on Amazon (several of which I bought quite a few years ago), but also, discovered that they now have a nicely-priced legit-looking Decals (ditto several others that I already have), also I'm Goning To Do... on mp3 (and a bunch of other Rhino Handmades likewise, incl. Television's Live at the Old Waldorf and that monster Fugs box). Grow Fins mp3 is $49.49, much less than even the used CD edition on there.I've just finished first listen to Albums That Never Were's version of It Comes To You In A Plain Brown Wrapper, different from the Sundazed, and, as always, he tells you exactly what and why and how he used which materials---sound is crisp, well-defined without getting anal about it (I listened to the flac; also offers mp3s: 2 "discs," 45 minutes each):http://albumsthatneverwere.blogspot.com/search/label/captain%20beefheart
― dow, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 00:48 (three years ago) link
Fast typing, sorry. "Kandyyyy Korn, Beeee reborn..."
― dow, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 00:50 (three years ago) link
That Decals is legit--it, Clear Spot, and Spotlight Kid were broken off from the now OOP Rhino "Sun Zoom Spark" box.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 00:53 (three years ago) link
It seems like most of the MIA Bizzare/Straight titles have been reissued physically and digitally now, although several of the former may not be in-print as of late.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 01:11 (three years ago) link
Are there any good Beefheart live DVDs at all?
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Friday, 1 January 2021 12:41 (three years ago) link
Beyond the BBC 'Tragic band' OGWT? Not as far as I know
― Mark G, Friday, 1 January 2021 14:48 (three years ago) link
there's four killer tracks on the Grow Fins box that iirc are live videos
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 1 January 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
Probably the stuff they shot for the Beat Club? 1971 two drumkit/ two guitar/ bass line-up.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Friday, 1 January 2021 18:46 (three years ago) link
The Beat Club Booglarize is way better than the Spotlight Kid version.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 1 January 2021 18:50 (three years ago) link
The Beat Club video I thought was amazing as you could actually see how some of that stuff was played.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0d0rsW9p3I
― earlnash, Friday, 1 January 2021 19:33 (three years ago) link
I was just thinking after watching this SNL the other night https://vimeo.com/385867940
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Friday, 1 January 2021 20:45 (three years ago) link
I think there was a gig filmed for French TV, 1980? Not sure how much of the gig.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Friday, 1 January 2021 20:58 (three years ago) link
I had no choice but to to stan (it’s actually kinda beautiful) pic.twitter.com/uGp9iWXnr4— Sasha Frere-Jones (@zombiesfj) August 9, 2021
This was the last straw that finally got me off my ass to order this.
― o. nate, Monday, 9 August 2021 19:18 (two years ago) link
By the way, this week Trout Mask Replica appeared on streaming services for the first time ever (the 2013 Bob Ludwig remaster).
― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Monday, 9 August 2021 20:47 (two years ago) link
The Legendary A&M Sessions is just an awesome record.
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Tuesday, 10 August 2021 05:10 (two years ago) link
^^Speaking of, The Captain gets a phone interview and a needle drop on American Bandstand in '66:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFfKWfJ8Tc8
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 6 January 2023 22:29 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKWVLOIEO-Q
^ never heard this before - from the blue collar OSTthe clanging/industrial percussion is cool!
― fpsa, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 16:16 (five months ago) link
yeah the only place that's been compiled is on The Dust Blows Forward 2xCD, I think
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 16:18 (five months ago) link
that's a cool one. i heard it on a Jack Nitzsche comp ... called Hard Workin Man, actually! https://www.discogs.com/release/4561165-Jack-Nitzsche-Hard-Workin-Man-The-Jack-Nitzsche-Story-Volume-2
Guess it's a little reunion with the captain and ry cooder, too.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 16:22 (five months ago) link
Which was absolute torture to record according to Cooder - hilarious torture though.
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 16:33 (five months ago) link