I’m getting into an album that I ignored for 25 years, cut me some slack!
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link
I luv how they continued with / expanded on that downtuned modern-rock sound of “Hummer” and “Mayonaise” with tracks like “Jellybelly.”
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:10 (three years ago) link
tbh all of the pre-machina sp records sound great
as i've prob admitted on this thread multiple times i even love the way machina sounds even though it sounds bad
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:15 (three years ago) link
hah, same!!
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:16 (three years ago) link
the mix is so muddy but that overdriven guitar sound where it sounds simultaneously like a synth and a laser... fuckin incredible
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:18 (three years ago) link
(“Ruby” is ok, but kinda plodding?, and in a Pumpkins mode that I don’t dig so much. My least favorite mode is when they get aggro, à la “Geek USA” & “Silverf*ck” — or, on this album, “Ode to No One” & “XYU”)
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:19 (three years ago) link
(but I was a teenage Gish-head who was kinda confused by SD, and stopped buying their albums altogether after Pisces)
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:20 (three years ago) link
'Ruby' is pretty much a prog epic...
― aphoristical, Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:21 (three years ago) link
Serious q—should I try making it thru the 64 bonus tracks on the Deluxe Edition; or just start with this "Pastichio Medley" I’ve read so much about (today) (on Wikipedia)?
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:59 (three years ago) link
The instrumental gravity demos are tite
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:05 (three years ago) link
you mean the mellon collie deluxe bonus tracks? ehhhh. i would just listen to aeroplane?
brimstead is right that the gravity demos are tight but that's like superfan shit
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:07 (three years ago) link
aw guess those are on the aeroplane flies high deluxe ed
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:07 (three years ago) link
Cool, thanks, I’ll check out Aeroplane
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:29 (three years ago) link
the best mcis b-sides are as follows: "mouths of babes," "set the ray to jerry," "cherry," "aeroplane flies high," "the boy," the entire tonight tonight ep minus "blank"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:36 (three years ago) link
i sometimes feel like i'm the only person who loves "transformer" but "transformer"
oh and "pennies" and "marquis in spades," zero ep is where it's at really
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:37 (three years ago) link
I'm trying to discern if "Transformer" and "The Bells" have any Lou Reed going on, or if the titles are just a coincidence
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 06:30 (three years ago) link
yeah, "The Boy" and "Pennies" make you go... "he can write songs like that?"
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 06:39 (three years ago) link
“the boy” was written by james iha tbf
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 12:16 (three years ago) link
no ruby no cred― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, September 4, 2020 9:35 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, September 4, 2020 9:35 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 5 September 2020 13:21 (three years ago) link
I had the CD version of MCIS growing up but i think I prefer the track order on the vinyl version
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Saturday, 5 September 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link
Set the Ray to Jerry and Pennies are perhaps two of my favorite Smashing Pumpkins songs and I didn’t get to hear them long after my teenage MCIS obsession had passed. I always wonder if my opinion on them would be the same if they had been included in the album.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 5 September 2020 14:32 (three years ago) link
I'm trying to discern if "Transformer" and "The Bells" have any Lou Reed going on
"transformer" is def a glam rock move
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 15:12 (three years ago) link
“the boy” was written by james iha tbfAhhh
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link
“medillia of the gray skies” is a killer bside too
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 September 2020 21:06 (three years ago) link
Ah, on the tonite tonite EP as brad mentioned
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 September 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link
OK, I'm adding "Ruby" into my MCIS playlist (I can haz cred now?)
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW7qkjCiKXo
― Just a few slices of apple, Servant. Thank you. How delicious. (stevie), Friday, 18 September 2020 09:59 (three years ago) link
Lol so he ditched the "Shiny and Oh So Bright" continuing volume conceit already, even though he's keeping the similar artwork?
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link
that would be extremely in character of him, cf. oceania being a part of "teargarden by kaleidyscope"; the day for night project
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:07 (three years ago) link
oh yeah, this is one artist that needs to stop announcing grand plans
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link
The one thing Gerard Way is always going to have over Billy: when the former comes up with ideas for grand schemes he actually DOES make comic books and TV series out of them.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 September 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
Who are some other artists who reached dazzling, dizzying artistic heights with a singular, indelible sound for a 3-4 year period... and then fell way, way, way, all the way down but kept on trucking (and somehow garnering attention) for literal decades, like Billy Corgan? (Bonus points if they, too, also became reactionary lunatics in the process, too.)
― Soundslike, Friday, 18 September 2020 17:44 (three years ago) link
Van Morrison?
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 18:24 (three years ago) link
the working title for the new album was Shiny and Oh So Bright vol. 2 & 3 but completely unsurprising that billy got bored of that already
― ufo, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:56 (three years ago) link
lots of mid/late 70s and 80s van rules hard
― brimstead, Saturday, 19 September 2020 01:29 (three years ago) link
Van Morrison had one last massive hit in the late 80’s. Will Corgan have a “Maria” in him?
Corgan’s career trajectory in the 21st century does fascinate me, though. His unbelievable hubris and ability to make an ass out of himself constantly is awe-inspiring
― beamish13, Saturday, 19 September 2020 01:55 (three years ago) link
i used to be a little boy
― origami condom (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 September 2020 05:23 (three years ago) link
and two more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFYaUYce8jY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-yos6keKvQ
― Nourry, Friday, 25 September 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
"wrath" is excellent imo but as established in this thread i'm a fan of synth-pop bc especially when the hooks sit right ("death from above," which is zeitgeist-era, is one of my favorite songs he's written in the last two decades)
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 25 September 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link
i should adjust my language for other ppl's expectations: "wrath" is good for sp mk 2
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 25 September 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link
Underwhelmed by these new tracks.
More enthusiastically, there's a new Jimmy Chamberlin Complex album/ep 'Honor' out and it sounds great.
― brain (krakow), Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:54 (three years ago) link
Dare I say that 'Anno Santana' is probably the first SP song (Zwan excluded) in 20 years that sounds really good? I dareth.
― Ilxor in the streets, Scampo in the sheets (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 16 October 2020 09:06 (three years ago) link
I haven't heard that one yet, time to check it out!
Full tracklist floating about. I can't be the only one slightly disappointed to see a 72 minute Pumpkins record without a 9 or 10 minutes plus epic anywhere. Although I'm sure my hopes for any good "Silverfuck" style jam are long gone.
1. "The Colour of Love" 4:242. "Confessions of a Dopamine Addict" 3:143. "Cyr" 4:034. "Dulcet in E" 3:225. "Wrath" 3:466. "Ramona" 3:487. "Anno Satana" 3:508. "Birch Grove" 3:179. "Wyttch" 3:4410. "Starrcraft" 4:1011. "Purple Blood" 3:1912. "Save Your Tears" 3:3113. "Telegenix" 3:2314. "Black Forest, Black Hills" 4:4215. "Adrennalynne" 3:4216. "Haunted" 3:1117. "The Hidden Sun" 3:2418. "Schaudenfreud" 3:0219. "Tyger, Tyger" 2:5020. "Minerva" 3:33
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 October 2020 13:55 (three years ago) link
xpost
I think it's a bit meh. Oceania had a few really great songs, so I wouldn't say it's been a totally fallow 2 decades. (I also thought "Tarantula" was killer at the time, though my enthusiasm has waned over the years.)
― Sam Weller, Friday, 16 October 2020 14:13 (three years ago) link
yeah those very uniform track lengths are weirdly dispiriting xp
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Friday, 16 October 2020 14:14 (three years ago) link
"adrennalynne" and "wyttch" lmao
i maintain that shiny & oh so bright is the only time they've occasionally sounded pretty good post-reunion
― ufo, Friday, 16 October 2020 14:22 (three years ago) link
Mellon Collie was released 25 years ago today! Happy birthday. I was 13 and it opened up a cool world for me.
Billy announced a few things in a video yesterday:1. He and Jimmy are in the studio working on a 33-song "sequel to Mellon Collie and Machina," the third in the "trilogy of stories involving a single character [ie, Zero, Glass, and now a third]". It's an "opus", "rock opera", etc. 2. Currently mixing Machina. Tracklist (minus extra cuts?) is "in the neighborhood of 50 to 51 songs".3. They had planned to announce a "MCIS-themed" arena tour -- "a night built around that period of music...with a narrative arc...celebration of that time period...something with a conceptual base." Plan is to do that when possible.4. Cyr (20 songs) is the next album, then the MCIS-Machina sequel, then the third Shiny album (10 songs) after that.
― Sam Weller, Friday, 23 October 2020 07:58 (three years ago) link
the mellon collie/machina sequel album will absolutely not come out in anything resembling the form described. either he'll completely scrap it or repurpose whatever they're currently working on into a completely different project before too long
also "the third shiny album"? what's the second? what turned into cyr was originally supposed to be volumes 2 & 3 but i figured he'd just completely given up on whatever the concept was there as usual
― ufo, Friday, 23 October 2020 08:02 (three years ago) link
also the machina/machina ii combined reissue being ~50 tracks just for the album itself sounds nightmarish lmao. not that i have any confidence that'll finally come out either. how long has it been in the works now?
― ufo, Friday, 23 October 2020 08:10 (three years ago) link