This whole teasing out of just what exact % does each possible influence contribute to this or that song is ridiculous.
Hm? I wasn't doing that. I was making the same point as you, that multiple things influenced him, and also the video in the link is hilarious.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Thursday, 17 September 2020 00:54 (four years ago) link
Well + that he wasn't trying to throw people off the scent.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Thursday, 17 September 2020 00:56 (four years ago) link
Fair enough, I don't know why this particular topic agitates me. For some reason, the topic of Pixies influence on Nirvana is fraught. Not sure if it's Frank Black backlash or what. I think that the influence is extremely obvious, but of course there were many other influences as well. For some reasons these discussions quickly go from "Nirvana had many influence" to "actually Pixies weren't really a very significant influence. X, Y, or Z were much more important." That to me is just silly, especially when it involves parsing out to what extent multiple records featuring Kim Deal that came out in a span of two years had more or less influence.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 17 September 2020 01:21 (four years ago) link
wow this album rules
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/numun-voyage-au-soleil/
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 September 2020 13:48 (four years ago) link
Sounds cool. I wonder if the title was meant to mean 'journey to the sun' or some such? As it stands, it's more like a 'sunlit trip'.
― hey, trust the fungus! (pomenitul), Thursday, 17 September 2020 14:04 (four years ago) link
ou est le soleil
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 17 September 2020 15:01 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Qknahm4UM
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Thursday, 17 September 2020 17:03 (four years ago) link
Dans la tete.Travaillez.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 September 2020 17:16 (four years ago) link
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:48 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah, goddamn this is so good, a couple songs in right now....
partly reminds me of if Macha were Deadheads
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:31 (four years ago) link
Mina Tavakoli's write-up about Beverly Glenn Copeland is generous and great <3
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 20 September 2020 19:13 (four years ago) link
Shockingly, Reed’s liberalism still feels progressive. The one exception is on the taut, distorted “Good Evening Mr. Waldheim,” about Jesse Jackson’s 1988 presidential campaign, and an incident in which he referred to Jews using the ethnic slur “hymies.” Reed was understandably offended, but he peppers his song with ripostes that have aged poorly, notably interrogating Jackson’s belief that U.S. leaders should meet with the Palestinian Liberation Organization.
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Sunday, 27 September 2020 01:57 (three years ago) link
They ordained the Trumpsand then he got the mumpsand died being treated at Mt. Sinai
― brimstead, Sunday, 27 September 2020 02:06 (three years ago) link
xp (btw – Jackson’s stance on the PLO was already a moot point by the time the album was released, in Jan. 1989... the '88 primaries were long jn the past, and Reagan had opened dialogue with the PLO a month earlier.)
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Sunday, 27 September 2020 05:10 (three years ago) link
Back in 89 songs weren’t generally released the same week they were written
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link
Sure, that's my point. That particular line had already "aged poorly" by the time the album came out. May have been an interesting point for the reviewer to make; instead, he uses it as a fulcrum to say that other stuff in the song has also aged poorly, without explaining what.
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
(or not so much "aged poorly" as been rendered irrelevant by recent events.)
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link
Well Reed was likely complaining about Jacksons hug with Arafat in 79, not some recentish thing
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 27 September 2020 19:39 (three years ago) link
It was a topic in the ‘88 campaign. Btw, Jesse’s “Hymietown” interview was in ‘84... I don’t know/recall how much it remained an issue in ‘88 (tho it was obviously still on Lou’s mind).
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Sunday, 27 September 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
I also don’t know if the Waldheim affair was actively in the news in ‘88/‘89 (though he was still president of Austria)... seems like Lou was sort of pulling various threads together.
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Sunday, 27 September 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link
Yes to more coverage of Black indie, but this guy has to be the worst music person on Twitter. Whines about absolutely everything while stealing money from bands on his label.
For example, Pitchfork passed on serious coverage of all of our releases from black artists this year due to not being relevant enough. Some were at least lucky enough to get filler pieces and mentions in round-up articles. Meanwhile, serious coverage was given to... https://t.co/2kgaQRYjvD— Don Giovanni Records (@DonGiovanniRecs) September 29, 2020
― Frozen CD, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link
stealing money from bands on his label
Is that documented anywhere? Sucks if true. The only artists I know on his label are Moor Mother and Mourning (A) Blkstar, both of whom have been on the cover of The Wire.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:47 (three years ago) link
wow, weird that p4k reviews albums by whites like Carly Rae Jepson, Yo La Tengo and Built to Spill. Seems off brand.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:48 (three years ago) link
Don Gio guy isn't necessarily wrong, but it's a really weird way to make the point. Is there more about him stealing money?
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link
there's kind of a secondary factor: if an album is not a huge release that obviously is going to be covered -- by any site, not just pitchfork -- then its coverage is mostly up to writer interest. if nobody pitches it, it doesn't get covered.
which is not to say that there's no racism involved, obviously what gets pitched is not a random impartial choice, but also has factors like "did the writer get her shit together before release date"
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link
Huh?
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 20:15 (three years ago) link
x-post-
Pitchfork won’t run a review if the release date has already passed?
Pitchfork editors just passively wait for pitches to come in, and never ask writers to review something?
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 23:19 (three years ago) link
Sometimes editors ask (big, buzzy releases or releases by established artists)Sometimes if stuff isn't on the radar it falls to the writer ...... but writers pitching is no guarantee pitches are gonna be accepted, you see
So the big undercovered favorites maybe turn up in Records You May Have Missed or possible the year end poll if they grew on enough writers through the year, etc.
― Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 23:26 (three years ago) link
^
from my understanding this is pretty much how it works everywhere, just because there is so much music and so little time and budget.
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 00:13 (three years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/rilo-kiley-rilo-kiley/
we now need justice for every album theyve 8.0 or 8.1ed but not bnmed
― ufo, Thursday, 1 October 2020 06:01 (three years ago) link
To loop back around to the previous point of discussion, I’m a member of a college radio station that operates in the same local music scene as - and based on our playlist, I’m now realizing, must do frequent business with - the Don Gio guy, so if he’s ripping off his artists I would really benefit from hearing the specifics on that.
― really looking forward to wearily scrolling past all your posts (Champiness), Thursday, 1 October 2020 07:49 (three years ago) link
Weird that a best new reissue with a 9.1 (the archival Thelonious Monk release) would be pushed down to the bottom and not the day's highlighted review. Don't get me wrong, I like Deftones and hear great things about the new one, but I wouldn't imagine that Deftones necessarily is the bigger "draw" in 2020 than Monk.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 1 October 2020 13:40 (three years ago) link
I will imagine Deftones are exponentially a bigger draw than Monk metal, like not even close
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 October 2020 14:28 (three years ago) link
lol Monk metal does that already exist
It better.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 1 October 2020 14:29 (three years ago) link
https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images%20(401-500)/404_MetalMonk01.jpg
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 1 October 2020 14:34 (three years ago) link
Yeah I guess Deftones might be the bigger draw in 2020? Tbh I have a hard time translating ilm love for legacy bands into what their real life rep actually is.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 1 October 2020 15:35 (three years ago) link
many xps but really loving the numun album. getting big books 'lemon of pink' vibe
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 1 October 2020 15:36 (three years ago) link
i mean a bigger draw than a jazz reissue is like the lowest bar to clear in the world
Shortly after midnight, Deftones’ “Ohms” enjoyed a brief stint at #1 on the US iTunes album sales chart. Machine Gun Kelly’s “Tickets To My Downfall” quickly seized the throne, however, and remained in the pinnacle position through Friday morning.
By Friday afternoon, the new Deftones album had returned to #1. It holds the top all-genre spot as of press time at 1:50PM ET.
“Tickets To My Downfall” follows at #2, ahead of Carrie Underwood’s “My Gift” at #3, Joji’s “Nectar” at #4, and Granger Smith’s “Country Things, Volume 1.” Each is a brand new release.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 October 2020 15:43 (three years ago) link
And I will gladly pay attention to none of them.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 1 October 2020 16:11 (three years ago) link
iTunes albums sales chart?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 1 October 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
yes
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 October 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
The new Deftones is pretty good.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 1 October 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 October 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
The Deftones review is so well-written.
― I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Friday, 2 October 2020 00:21 (three years ago) link
This week's Sunday Review was about Teena Marie’s album “Irons in the Fire” (it was quite informative, as I only knew her from “Lovergirl”, which is perfectly placed next to Billy Ocean’s “Loverboy” on my Best of the ‘80s mix) – does this mean we may one day see Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam’s “Spanish Fly”, The S.O.S. Band’s “Sands of Time”, or Five Star’s “Luxury of Life” on the ‘Fork?
― Bill Bruford's drumbeat for "South Side of the Sky": proto-dubstep? (Prefecture), Monday, 5 October 2020 03:48 (three years ago) link
one can only hope
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 5 October 2020 03:52 (three years ago) link
The Teena Marie review is great (I feel like an, er, broken record, lol).
― I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Monday, 5 October 2020 03:58 (three years ago) link
p4k should branch off into an oldies site that just does Sunday review type stuff 7 days a week
― flopson, Monday, 5 October 2020 03:59 (three years ago) link
honestly, they should just wait 20 years before reviewing new albums, and then give ‘em the retrospective treatment. (btw, brad – your Prince review is tremendous!)
― I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Monday, 5 October 2020 04:05 (three years ago) link
Their "classic album" last Sunday was the infamously slept-on 21 by Adele. Hmmm.
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Monday, 5 October 2020 10:02 (three years ago) link