xps discogs has different details on Shine 7 but yeah there was a point c1997 where Britpop split into AOR tedium and more progressive OK Computer/Vanishing Point type stuff
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 17 September 2020 12:18 (four years ago) link
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Shine-7/release/1304398
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 17 September 2020 12:19 (four years ago) link
sorry dl I thought you were talking about the 'Best... Album in the World' series. I was, just then!
― kinder, Thursday, 17 September 2020 13:02 (four years ago) link
ah i c. apols
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 17 September 2020 13:03 (four years ago) link
I think I'm scarred by repeated workplace Radio 2/Virgin Radio in the late 90s/early 2000 so the first few jangly seconds of Why Does It Always Rain On Me provoke an actual eye-twitch. Have A Nice Day by Stereophonics is the same but even worse
― kinder, Thursday, 17 September 2020 13:05 (four years ago) link
heartwarming to see so many supporters of the For Britain Movement who still feel comfortable on ILM
Hey, I was doing my part to make America great again.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Thursday, 17 September 2020 13:10 (four years ago) link
Travis were unlucky in that they had some great pop moments, but faded just as the bands who were to be big got a kind of permanence. Yeah, if I never hear "whydoesitalwayzetc" again that's gonna be fine, but it's the only one that get plaid.
xpost oh you just said so..
― Mark G, Thursday, 17 September 2020 13:11 (four years ago) link
That "Trance Europe" (LP) set was the only purchase where the record clerk was all "You don't want that you want THIS compilation"
"um, yes I do!" and gave him my paddington bear stare (trust me, you don't want that..) (the stare, that is)..
Anyway, I have no idea what that other comp was, but I don't think it had Aphex on it (and I'd not heard any at that point).
― Mark G, Thursday, 17 September 2020 13:14 (four years ago) link
Eeeee, I was just looking up 'what happened to Aphex Twin?' and that was not a fun thing to find out.
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 17 September 2020 13:18 (four years ago) link
Is this where I confess I actually had a huge soft spot for Travis, they were totally inoffensive but also comforting in the same way that oatmeal porridge is comforting on a cold morning.
(Also, they were extraordinarily kind blokes and at least 2 of them were fans of a former band of mine so I am probably biased.)
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N)
Maybe time to repeat my apocryphal Travis anecdote - some of my brother's mates knew where Fran Healy lived in North London, so obviously a bunch of them stand outside drunkenly serenading him with "Why Does It Always Rain On Me" late one evening. He bursts out of the front door in his dressing gown and chases them down the road yelling "It's gonna be raining fists when I catch you cunts!"
― chap, Thursday, 17 September 2020 13:50 (four years ago) link
A ha hahahaha, great - totally on Fran's side here, TBH!
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 17 September 2020 13:55 (four years ago) link
xp would this have been somewhere round Muswell Hill/East Finchley? when I lived in Muswell Hill around '04-07 my landlord (who seemed to own half the street) told me someone from Travis had been a tenant of his
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 17 September 2020 14:41 (four years ago) link
FYI the 'Greatest Album In The World Ever' series was huge here too. I'd sooner have sawn my arm off than even glance at one but that's neither here or there.
― piscesx, Thursday, 17 September 2020 14:50 (four years ago) link
Cl Poo - in my admittedly flaky memory it's Crouch End, so not far off...
― chap, Thursday, 17 September 2020 14:53 (four years ago) link
I always wanted this Volume CD but couldn't ever find it
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Sharks-Patrol-These-Waters-The-Best-Of-Volume-Part-2/release/590105
― 这是我的显示名称 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 17 September 2020 14:55 (four years ago) link
that is a decent comp. always liked the comedy Mindless Drug Hoover song
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 17 September 2020 14:57 (four years ago) link
feel like I saw that one a lot in 2nd hand shops at the time. I only had one of those, Volume 13
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 17 September 2020 15:03 (four years ago) link
I looked for it in Magpie and HMV and Andy's at least once a week, no joy :(
― 这是我的显示名称 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 17 September 2020 15:23 (four years ago) link
used to see the various Trance ones and always was tempted as the track listings were always impressive, but never did.
i did pick this one up a couple of years ago in a charity shop, and its bloody brilliant, especially the Orb mix :
https://www.discogs.com/Darren-Emerson-Alex-Paterson-TEXtures/master/22621
― mark e, Thursday, 17 September 2020 15:38 (four years ago) link
Oh, I had that "Sharks" one, a bunch of great tracks - Possibly the best Sleeper one.. And so on, ymmv, and ...
― Mark G, Thursday, 17 September 2020 15:41 (four years ago) link
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:18 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Well, by then it had already split into songs that sound like showtunes and madchester-informed dadrock a couple of years prior.
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 17 September 2020 16:26 (four years ago) link
The split that interests me was, at what point did dance music and indie stop being seen as ~stuff consumed by the same people~? Because I can remember in the start of the 90s, when I first started reading Select Magazine, they’d be as likely to cover the KLF or the Shamen as Ride or Slowdive - both Mark Gardener and Richard D James were pin-ups in their pull-out section. And when they first started playing around with the idea of what would become ‘BritPop’ - they named St Etienne alongside Suede.
A ton of these early indie comps do have dance-rock and even dance - FSOL being on one of them noted above!
At what point did that stop, bcz by the end of the 90s, it was all guitars?
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 17 September 2020 17:49 (four years ago) link
Was the dividing line the moment that him out of Kula Shaker did a track with The Prodigy? Was that the moment people decided they had to pick a side?
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 17 September 2020 17:53 (four years ago) link
I'm guessing the wheels fell off that particular utopian idea around 99 with trance and UK garage dominating the dance scene here and a general post Britpop lull. But it was sort of illusory as well throughout the 90s.
The moved closer together and diverged in terms of audiences throughout the next decade, first with electroclash and DFA etc and then again around 07-09.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 17 September 2020 17:54 (four years ago) link
Take this can of worms to the "what would you rather eat" thread?
idk, after Oasis "britpop" splinters off into enough disparate directions that it's a fairly useless term for talking about music made at the end of the 90's.
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 17 September 2020 18:09 (four years ago) link
From what I recall, Select was always very favourable to dance music, or at least electronica, big beat, IDM etc. They also did a four pager about the Spice Girls when they first came out. But as Matt DC says, that magazine, the scene and its fans, we're opposed to the commercial excesses of Ibiza trance and pop-garage for some reason.
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 17 September 2020 18:14 (four years ago) link
*cough* for some reason *cough*
― how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 September 2020 18:52 (four years ago) link
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N),
Dividing lines are really blurry. There may be more of a split along provincial/cosmopolitan lines than indie/dance. OTOH by 1996 or so John Barry's influence was a key marker of "Britishness" across multiple styles. The Texas and Robbie Williams territory mentioned above, but also the Manic Street Preachers, Massive Attack and Space etc. Everything on the radio had a fucking orchestra, Even Ash did a song called Goldfinger.
Think for a lot of indie kids those big beat hits prominently featuring guitars/Oasis/Crispian Mills might have been the moment they realized they didn't want to pick a side. The dance ppl who might have said 'we told you so' said "big beat sucks" iirc.
At the end of the 90's the fashion was to mix it up though wasn't it?
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:05 (four years ago) link
dont think so, there was lots of mixing it up in the early 90s but it felt very tribal by late 90s, despite many crossovers
― 好 now 烧烤 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:18 (four years ago) link
probably due in part to the fact Tim Burgess just was t born to sing on a dance tune
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link
like that whole "let's get this Britpop singer on a big beat track" craze felt forced, a bit "if we must" rather than "this is our artistic calling". late 90s attempts to fuse rock and dance often made a hash job of mashing the weakest elements of both into each other
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
these last posts are both true, but also Life Is Sweet is a tune.
― 好 now 烧烤 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:46 (four years ago) link
you'd often get distorted power riffs forced over these lolloping groove break loops and they just didn't work together. also: Ash recruited a full time turntablist to scratch awkwardly over their songs. The Prodigy earnestly tried to reinvent themselves as edgy punk rockers, but they came off more clownish and infantile than they ever had. I agree that Soulwax, LCD, DFA etc going back to new wave and disco for inspiration a few years later was when indie-dance started working again. Having trouble trying to think of very much crossover stuff from 97-01 that did it particularly well... Gorillaz I guess? Never really got them though
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:48 (four years ago) link
I don't hate Life Is Sweet or even that Noel Gallagher one he did with CBros but neither project felt necessary beyond 'we need something to please the indie rockers'
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:50 (four years ago) link
A whole bunch of shitty guitar bands trying to ~go Radiohead~ and then Radiohead going fully IDM, haha?
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:53 (four years ago) link
hey ho .. and there was me loving DiV and their need for crappy vocals.
― mark e, Thursday, 17 September 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link
Having trouble trying to think of very much crossover stuff from 97-01 that did it particularly well... Gorillaz I guess? ― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin)
Certainly 'Guerrilla'
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 17 September 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link
I had completely forgotten DiV ever existed.
I am clearly confused. (Also vibrating!)
*not a murderer tho
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 17 September 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link
there seemed to be a real sense in the late 90s that the whole idea of searching out unexpected influences was pretentious and wanky, and that being 4 lads with lead / rhythm / bass / drums was the authentic way to make music. as ever I blame John Harris for this.
― 好 now 烧烤 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 17 September 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link
Xxp The Juantrip album on F Communications was another. Capitol K etc
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 17 September 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link
This reminds me of the p4k britpop albums list where they prefaced half the entries with a disclaimer of "this isn't really a britpop album, but..."And it's no wonder I mean no way we're there 50 good britpop albums. There may not have been 20 good britpop albums. Still, I attribute at least some of the confusion to the first name that ppl associate with the style also being the band that killed it off almost instantaneously.
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 17 September 2020 20:34 (four years ago) link
sorry, but do not get how that's relevant here.one of the most strange dance infused psych excess albums ever.
― mark e, Thursday, 17 September 2020 20:38 (four years ago) link
Oh right, I forgot he was French. Nevermind. Not that strange a record tho imo.
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 17 September 2020 20:52 (four years ago) link
He sings like John Lennon doesn't he? Can't understand a word of it but as I recall it's all gibberish anyhow 😅
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 17 September 2020 20:56 (four years ago) link