xxxp RDJ also posted a bunch of covid truther links to his soundcloud when he uploaded that batch of tracks (I assumed that he uploaded them mainly to draw eyes to the links). Think he later removed the links.
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:25 (three years ago) link
what did Julian Cope do?this tweet suggests he's being responsible but it's old
Due to the coronavirus pandemic, Julian Cope has – with great sadness – felt obliged to cancel the remaining five dates of his Winter 2020 tour. pic.twitter.com/o4q6EWumdn— Julian Cope (@JulianHCope) March 16, 2020
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:38 (three years ago) link
Cope hasn't done anything. A poster decided to post his name as a 'joke'
― Oor Neechy, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:51 (three years ago) link
To no great surprise, Ted Nugent
― \\\\\\\\0||||0//////// (Matt #2), Friday, 18 September 2020 00:00 (three years ago) link
"covidiots"? ay ay ay
― DT, Friday, 18 September 2020 00:54 (three years ago) link
Nobody's mentioned Van Morrison yet?
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/van-morrison-fight-the-covid-19-pseudoscience-and-speak-up-1.4338343
― mirostones, Friday, 18 September 2020 00:58 (three years ago) link
Chuck D was posting conspiracy-flavored stuff a few months back; don’t know what his current line is.
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Friday, 18 September 2020 01:17 (three years ago) link
Wiley
― hey, trust the fungus! (pomenitul), Friday, 18 September 2020 01:19 (three years ago) link
Yes Ivan, let’s bring back all those audiences that you clearly relish playing for any other time
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 18 September 2020 01:33 (three years ago) link
Van Morrison has always had a few screws loose, unfortunately
― beamish13, Friday, 18 September 2020 01:41 (three years ago) link
Timely:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-54194498"> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-54194498
Sir Van Morrison has accused the government of "taking our freedom" in three new songs that protest against the coronavirus lockdown.In the lyrics, he claims scientists are "making up crooked facts" to justify measures that "enslave" the population."The new normal, is not normal," he sings. "We were born to be free".
In the lyrics, he claims scientists are "making up crooked facts" to justify measures that "enslave" the population.
"The new normal, is not normal," he sings. "We were born to be free".
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 02:45 (three years ago) link
Oops, fucked up that link:
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54194498"> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54194498
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 02:47 (three years ago) link
Boomers gonna boomer
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 18 September 2020 03:21 (three years ago) link
got nothing to do with being a boomer
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Friday, 18 September 2020 03:31 (three years ago) link
yeah, almost all of these people are Generation X, not boomers
The list has a lot of people who have been known to be kind of gullible fools for some time, or people who generally have a reputation for ~not being very bright~ (Gallagher and Brown in particular) - but I've been struggling with my inner fanboy over the RDJ thing for some time, since he resurfaced around the time of Syro and started up with various truther discourse - so the covid stuff is not a surprise, but it's still v v depressing.
There are people where it kinda goes with their schtick, but with RDJ, I really wanna grab him by the shoulders and go "you are actually *smarter* than this?" He's bright, he's sciencey, he was educated, in that he got halfway to a degree in electrical engineering, this man is not a fool?
But I guess that's sometimes the thing with conspiracy thinking, that conspiracies can *be* especially flattering to people who have experienced being brighter than most people around them, (not hard in the music industry!) and this is one of those stereotypes I hate reinforcing, but Autists, especially ones with Aspergers, like RDJ, in particular are very susceptible to it - that if you are constantly noticing weird shit that neurotypicals just *don't*, that it leaves you very susceptible to believing that you have access to special truths that neurotypicals don't or can't see.
And for a conspiracy brainloop to really take hold, it's like it has to piggyback on something you already care a LOT about. (Like how anti-trans ideology can canibalise both feminist activism AND virulently anti-feminist activism, because these are issues that people care about very deeply!)
RDJ has always had a very serious anti-authoritarian streak. And this idea that 'Britain is a police state' - the thing is, there are many ways in which Britain already *is* very like a police state. All the jokes about 'rainy fascism island' are getting at something - the abuse of Stop and Search, the suppression of protest, the absolute impunity of the police to murder citizens with no repercussions, the wholesale deportation of the Windrush generation, etc. etc. etc. - but his established anti-authoritarian special interest doesn't seem to fixate on those genuine abuses. It leaps sideways onto something tangential which affects him (he can't leave his house) and instead of landing on something with a basis in fact (the Tory government is absolutely mishandling the epidemic) it leaps into 'being quarantined = oh noes here is the police state'.
Sorry to bring politics into ILM, if this was intended to just be a list thread. 'Why do people get caught up in weird conspiracy theories' is one of my long-term special interests, for obvious reasons.
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 08:08 (three years ago) link
you'd think maybe the group of absolute foolish poltroons (who most of you'd cross a road to avoid) who make up th C-19 truther gang might make RJD pause for thought somewhat? I find it unforgivable that ppl who are otherwise silent about genuine human rights abuses committed by the British state are jumping on the Icke bandwagon ffs!
― calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 08:25 (three years ago) link
Wiley's rep is so done in now he could become the official PIE spokesperson and it wouldn't be newsworthy!
― calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 08:52 (three years ago) link
Van Morrison already was affiliated with PIE as evidenced in his passive pedophilia song, Cypress Avenue!
― calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 09:57 (three years ago) link
maybe one for the PaedIdiots in Music thread where lots of legends of the delta blues who otherwise are treated with upmost reverence get brutally cancelled!
― calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:00 (three years ago) link
Is wealth and age the main factor (for musicians)?
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:07 (three years ago) link
I think maybe isolation from people who would expose them to better ideas if a factor? There's definitely a bubble factor going on.
I don't know! It's speculation.
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 10:08 (three years ago) link
I think that maybe ~having a self image as a rebel and anti-authority figure~ is an inclination. Mistrust of official sources, etc.
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 10:09 (three years ago) link
if they knew people who would ridicule/rip the piss out of them, or even calmly reason with them it might just make them dig in deeper.
― calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:13 (three years ago) link
List seems pretty multi-generational to me, tho I don't think I've seen any new/relevant artists take this stance yet.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:21 (three years ago) link
feel like there are a lot of people out there who are like this, it's just that musicians are asked their opinions more often, or have a wider audience when expressing them on twitter
― 好 now 烧烤 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 18 September 2020 10:23 (three years ago) link
I only skimmed it but Aphex's take seemed more nuanced that the usual shit (I think a member of his family actually died of covid?) It was more 'this is serious but we are also at risk of stumbling into even more of an authoritarian police state'.
OTOH Aphex has regularly been full of shit and I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be here as well.
Noel Gallagher is the amusing one because his every pronouncement these days reveals him to be less intelligent than his brother (whose approach has been basically 'ffs just wear a mask').
― Matt DC, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:25 (three years ago) link
Aphex is a notorious wind up merchant and a massive stoner, which might be a factor.
― stirmonster, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:29 (three years ago) link
RDJ's father died recently (apparently not from Covid) so he is probably in a weird place.
I think your description of his take is pretty (overly) charitable, compared with what was screengrabbed and posted on Reddit (after being removed) but this is what is still up on his Soundcloud:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/15/the-reaction-of-the-left-to-lockdown/
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 10:33 (three years ago) link
John Squire (as opposed to Brown) seems to also be pro-mask.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:38 (three years ago) link
he passed the eleven-plus and attended a grammar school, so probably a bit brighter than the gang of chimpanzees he hung out with!
― calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:55 (three years ago) link
Yeah OK I only read an RA report on what Aphex posted, the original is pretty much what you'd expect and yeah I was definitely being charitable.
― Matt DC, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:01 (three years ago) link
I’d run a mile in case he coughed on me ooooohhhhh— Liam Gallagher (@liamgallagher) September 18, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:19 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOHn6KurHE0
― PaulTMA, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:25 (three years ago) link
He wears masks he’s a proper little hypercondreact prob got a fancy designer 1 he’s just trying to get in on the argument he’s prob bored I would be if I was him— Liam Gallagher (@liamgallagher) September 18, 2020
― Matt DC, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:25 (three years ago) link
proper little hypercondreact is the name of my dog
― Monte Scampino (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 18 September 2020 11:36 (three years ago) link
this is one of those stereotypes I hate reinforcing, but Autists, especially ones with Aspergers, like RDJ, in particular are very susceptible to it - that if you are constantly noticing weird shit that neurotypicals just *don't*, that it leaves you very susceptible to believing that you have access to special truths that neurotypicals don't or can't see.
All good stuff on RDJ. Sorry to pick this one bit out of a well reasoned post but it's amusing because my 'aspergers' means that when I get hold of rules like "2m distance" or "masks in shops" I can tend to be extremely diligent about them. Which in itself may look like authoritarianism fandom. But my acceptance of them is based on my own heuristics for determining truth and value, so at that point I don't feel it's acquiescence to a top-down dictum at all but rather personal responsibility.
― Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Friday, 18 September 2020 13:05 (three years ago) link
No, my statement that you picked up on there was about Autists and our specific vulnerability to 'systematically comprehensive, completely logically consistent but warped worldviews' even when they're wrong or incomplete (e.g. things like incel ideology.) We are susceptible to those systems of thinking, precisely because we *do* tend to develop our own heuristics, rather than relying on social pressure and convention and all the other weird things neurotypicals seem to go by.
I wasn't saying 'autists love authoritarian fandom!' - I was saying more 'autists love to march to our own drumbeats' (but this does leave us susceptible to some really odd drums, and I think this is what's happened to RDJ, who used the word Asperger's to self-describe, hence why I used it.)
(Personally, as an Autist, the idea that I never have to go closer than 2m to another human being ever again is my idea of heaven!)
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 13:18 (three years ago) link
I totally got what you were saying there btw, which is why I apologized for taking a bit out of context.
I think a tendency or ability to embrace rules can be (generally very wrongly) equated with authoritarianism random.
I feel there's a responsibility to cultivate good heuristics but maybe that's not entirely fair as it depends tonquite a large extent on your environmental inputs.
― Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Friday, 18 September 2020 13:38 (three years ago) link
I feel like Van takes the crown here by not just spouting off bullshit in interviews, but by actively recordings songs about his dumbassery.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 13:55 (three years ago) link
tbh these songs will be hilarious and I'm looking forward to them
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 September 2020 14:41 (three years ago) link
Hold my beer
Lyrics from the new Ian Brown single
“A sonic lockdown in your home town / A sonic lockdown, can you feel me now? / A sonic lockdown, state shakedown, a mass breakdown / Put your muzzle on, get back in your basket / Get behind your doors cos living here is drastic.”
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Friday, 18 September 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
Oh wait, already mentioned nvm
Holy fuck at that Ian Brown song. Even ignoring the hilariously awful lyrics, it's atrocious on every level.
― groovypanda, Friday, 18 September 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link
I'm afraid to ask, but -- what does "sonic" lockdown mean?
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Friday, 18 September 2020 21:37 (three years ago) link
Sonic lockdown:
https://pm1.narvii.com/7472/532adba41481986b677ea945c96d32fb206ae64er1-512-278v2_uhq.jpg
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Friday, 18 September 2020 21:39 (three years ago) link
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/bc2820ef08e27bb265b65640f17bd6c51d462486/0_0_3635_5589/master/3635.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=d36b4531528296afc93aac71835d8c28
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 18 September 2020 22:31 (three years ago) link
ok uh who is RDJ? wasted 5 min already searching.
― DT, Friday, 18 September 2020 23:23 (three years ago) link
aphex twin
― visiting, Friday, 18 September 2020 23:29 (three years ago) link
ah, ok. thanks!
― DT, Friday, 18 September 2020 23:31 (three years ago) link
Richard D James
the D now stands for dumbass
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 19 September 2020 04:36 (three years ago) link
She and Moe Tucker are the right wing musicians that bum me out the most.
Tucker and I used to be Facebook friends. She blocked me once I started replying to her questionable posts with factual rebuttals during the height of the pandemic.
― I can't tell if he's trolling or not (ilxor), Saturday, 14 January 2023 21:21 (one year ago) link
+ Exene Cervenka
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, January 1, 2023 9:06 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink
remember watching some of her rants on twitter or youtube and she really just seems mentally unwell, it's sad
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 14 January 2023 21:38 (one year ago) link
I had to look it up to refresh my memory but yes, years before Covid (or even before Trump ran for office), she was a full blown conspiracy nut for matters big and small.
I haven't followed Moe Tucker too closely outside of her music, but I was under the impression she wasn't a conspiracy nut so much as a politically right-wing extremist, with cult-like belief in libertarian ideas and also racist beliefs as well (I recall some pretty disgusting posts against Muslims). I almost want to put up a Venn diagram showing how Exene and Moe's philosophies really overlap rather than being one and the same.
― birdistheword, Saturday, 14 January 2023 22:59 (one year ago) link
It's funny/sad to read old articles about Tucker from the 80s and 90s, where the writers are at pains to paint her as an authentic, woman-of-the-people type (unlike those arty dilettantes Reed and Cale), as if working at Walmart is proof of moral virtue.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 14 January 2023 23:26 (one year ago) link
When they did that talk at the NYPL in 2009, a little of that did come out where she criticizes NYC for doing nothing to keep it more affordable, pointing out that artists living under the poverty line and who were just starting out could no longer find a place in Manhattan. Lou gently disagreed, saying there were still places like that in Brooklyn - to be fair, there were (Bushwick comes to mind), but less so now. Anyway, the whole talk is streaming somewhere on the NYPL website, and fortunately there isn't any extremist nuttery that comes pouring out.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 15 January 2023 00:59 (one year ago) link
I knew about her Tea Party stuff from 2010, but hadn’t heard anything else lately (just looked up a few recent interviews, and thankfully politics doesn’t come up).
― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Sunday, 15 January 2023 02:34 (one year ago) link
(The main thing she rails against here is cymbals…)
― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Sunday, 15 January 2023 02:40 (one year ago) link
mo otm about cymbals
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 15 January 2023 03:00 (one year ago) link
although of course i end up ring a ding dingin on them all the time when i play
No kidding about cymbals. I'm not fussy at all about mixes or arrangements, but too much cymbal will ruin a song for me. Why put so much "SHHHHHHHHHH" in there? First Snail Mail album is very guilty of this.
― Cow_Art, Sunday, 15 January 2023 03:11 (one year ago) link
Don’t tell Moe about mid- to late-80s Grateful Dead soundboard recordings
― tobo73, Sunday, 15 January 2023 15:00 (one year ago) link
Yeah she's suffered enough
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 15 January 2023 15:54 (one year ago) link
“Maureen, dear, there’s something I need to tell you about. You’re not going to like it.”
― tobo73, Sunday, 15 January 2023 16:08 (one year ago) link
lol
― The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 00:04 (one year ago) link
Scout Niblett’s Twitter started retweeting anti-vax stuff yesterday. Possibly hacked though, lasts post before it was November 2021. OTOH she is an astrologist.
― This Is Not An ILX Username (LaMonte), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 21:25 (one year ago) link
Howard Donald off the deep end …
FYI, Howard from Take That is headlining this while these are in his likes https://t.co/JWZIrVzJB6 pic.twitter.com/6BU4rhn2Gy— dylan (@ohlookitsdylan) June 16, 2023
― piscesx, Saturday, 17 June 2023 10:52 (eleven months ago) link
fucking pod people
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 17 June 2023 15:01 (eleven months ago) link
Dropped
Pride event drops Howard Donald over Twitter likes
― you gotta roll with the pączki to get to what's real (snoball), Saturday, 17 June 2023 17:08 (eleven months ago) link
not from a big enough height
― two grills one tap (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 17 June 2023 17:28 (eleven months ago) link
In a surprise to no one, Clapton's playing a benefit for RFK Jr. at someone's private home - he also recently tried to donate $5000 to his dumpster fire of a presidential campaign, but the money was returned because he legally can't donate as a non-U.S. citizen (and it's also over the limit for any individual to personally donate).
― birdistheword, Friday, 25 August 2023 20:23 (eight months ago) link