Other track I'm feeling, "No Help, No Handouts" by Unorthodox. A killer female emcee and a couple dudes over some dark Castlevania ambience, it's a winning combination. Big tune.
― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Monday, 18 October 2004 00:58 (nineteen years ago) link
back issues are worth chasing, esp the one with the Jammer mix CD. 20-30 tracks mixed; they still sound fresh.
the Run the Road comp has a new track from Unorthadox's Nolay (the killer female emcee, mentioned above). look out for that this nov.
also re Danny Weed, he produced the Roll Deep track on Run the Road. it features this chicago-house-esque piano loop plus trim, wiley n co. mmm...
― martin (martin), Monday, 18 October 2004 09:46 (nineteen years ago) link
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― martin (martin), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― thsmrtlsnd, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link
this phrase sounds totally weird to me. granted i've not heard this, but every other time ive heard b-live, he has appeared to be the worst mc ever. like, thanks for rendering cd1 of 'street beats' unlistenable dude! granted, its mostly about his shocking 'american' accent, but maybe hes dropped that.
― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link
as far as random grime observations, can i say its odd how no one on ILX except a few people that seem to get shot down think dizzee has somewhat strayed from grime. or perhaps he hasnt, hes just redefining it. or perhaps that last sentence is an easy way to avoid admitting that hes gone a bit pop (or 'slick') on the new album. i was perusing the boards of rwdmag and 1xtra and some signs of dissension are about (predictably!).
― DVD (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link
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― SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― DVD (dickvandyke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― DVD (dickvandyke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link
this is my theory. grime just doesnt sound good on individual tracks/albums as bits of radio shows/raves. they shoudl release a "best of de ja" or something. that would be better than all these mixtapes.
― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link
The only grime MC that I can take over straight hip hop is J2k. Heat In The Streets 2 is really quite good for this! Actually, maybe J2K is just a UKHH MC clinging to the COATTAILS of grime....
― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link
that said, i liked most of lord of the decks 2, thought it was great, and a lot more vital sounding than run the road. im sorry to keep harping on about RTR, but im just a little bit let down by it, thats all.
the thing is though, i liked kano a lot on boys luv girls, and part of that was because he was rhyming all around the beat, and the beat was doing weird things, rather than sticking to one pattern for the whole song like on ps and qs. i like the latter song a lot, but its a bit underwhelming after hearing him on stuff like ice rink or the NASTY crew freestyles ive got. part of this i think is that when it comes to making proper grime songs these days, it seems that theyre making the beats more spacious and easier to rhyme over, which in my view, is taking away from one of the best things about grime, the amazing headfucking beats. i mean, yeah i like fwd riddim, but the rapping on there is pretty shit, sad to say. grime MCs are amazing at riding a rhythm and darting in and out of the beat, and all over the place but theyre not that hot at combining that with writing songs. when it comes to that, they seem to try and make it simpler or something (and this is where their lack of depth comes into harsh focus).... or maybe thats just the vibe in the scene at the moment, theyre all so desperate to blow, that theyre trying to make it less 'noisy'. fuck that though, the noise is whats so good about grime.
i mean, even on the slow hip hop tempo tracks on showtime, dizzee is racing around the beat, still.
again, i should say this might just be my own bias towards extremity and a dislike for middle of the road-ness. then again, i think wileys album was severely underrated and that wasnt extreme as such, the beats were still animated and ultra-syncopated.
hope this doesnt read like a incoherent blog!
― DVD (dickvandyke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link
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― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 22 October 2004 11:22 (nineteen years ago) link
OTM.
― DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 22 October 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link
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― DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Actually Martin I don't know how true this is but I read on RWD or somewhere late last year that they were going to belatedly release a CD of it.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link
does this mean that people have a better-quality copy of it than that shitty 32kbps or whatever real audio thing that i've got?
― toby (tsg20), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gribowitz (Lynskey), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link
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― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 October 2004 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link
it seems like the order of lethal and wiley's diss tracks should be reversed, right? seem's like wileys "MY girls are young? what about YOUR girl?" is a response to the gary glitter comment...
aww, stryda's in his awkward phase. anyway shouldn't he be in school somewhere? is he? i don't care if he is a ninja. hit the books!
― Lukas (lukas), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyways apart from being insanely good as a whole, there's this awesome 8-bar in it which Flo Dan freestyles over - wedged between "Ground Zero" and the Wonder 8-bar Dizzee uses on "Respect Me". It's got this hyper-syncopated eastern groove, somewhere between Target and Zed Bias circa 01/02, but still really grime. A track ID would be most appreciated.
Also Flo Dan is quite good here, despite what Govt Names might say.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link
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― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 09:06 (nineteen years ago) link