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B-Live's "Merkers" might have some older sonic tricks in the beat that Wiley has flipped before, but the raps are serious. Dude comes off on the flow tip. I hear it's blowing up pretty big on the streets too, so that's cool.

Other track I'm feeling, "No Help, No Handouts" by Unorthodox. A killer female emcee and a couple dudes over some dark Castlevania ambience, it's a winning combination. Big tune.

Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Monday, 18 October 2004 00:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Deuce is due to relaunch this year, with the mighty chantelle fiddy as editor.

back issues are worth chasing, esp the one with the Jammer mix CD. 20-30 tracks mixed; they still sound fresh.

the Run the Road comp has a new track from Unorthadox's Nolay (the killer female emcee, mentioned above). look out for that this nov.

also re Danny Weed, he produced the Roll Deep track on Run the Road. it features this chicago-house-esque piano loop plus trim, wiley n co. mmm...

martin (martin), Monday, 18 October 2004 09:46 (nineteen years ago) link

was it an i-d editorial slip up that saw fiddy write a piece on 'dutty goodz'??

candour floss (mwah), Monday, 18 October 2004 10:05 (nineteen years ago) link

oh wait there he is on the 679 comp. what's going on?

candour floss (mwah), Monday, 18 October 2004 10:08 (nineteen years ago) link

he's changed his name, thats all. there's a new song doing the rounds with doogz/goodz that's with dizzee - 'stretch' thats im really into at the moment. it might be an old one though, not sure.

DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 10:25 (nineteen years ago) link

the dizzee/goodz tune is old, but he has changed his name recently because he felt mainstream people couldnt pronounce Doogz...

martin (martin), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

odd reason.

DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

haha maybe cos westwood called him "dirty dogs"

candour floss (mwah), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:38 (nineteen years ago) link

westwood cant pronounce much though. he gets flummoxed when saying 'talib kweli'. plus, he says lots of words in odd ways. doogz should have said 'its like er, dirty *moogs*, but doogz'.

DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link

For anyone who is interested, we are putting on Lady Sovereign this Thursday (Glasgow), Friday (Edinburgh) and Saturday (Dundee). I would go into more detail but hate the idea of being a spammer, so just email me.

___ (___), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

is crazy titch supporting, as he was with Sov n D12?

martin (martin), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Roll Deep's Flying Away is absolutely amazingly lovely, lovely vocals, wicked lead guitar, and obviously excellent lyrics from R.D.
Also, 'you can meet me I'll be round candy'.
DEE and Footsie on Tubby's show the other night - his Braindead mix of Big ED's Frontline has the horibblist sub-bass I've heard since LFO.
B-Live merks that Fire Hydrant riddim. He's also got a good track out produced by Skandalouz Unlimited - something about 'Dogs' I think.
Ruff Sqwad, 'Ur Love Feels' - they are KILLING IT. Guns'n'Roses mixtape I literally cannot wait for - may have to track them down and pilfer it from there computer. "When it's on, when it's real, stand up tall, like Dill" - merkers!
DVD I have that Wiley/Trim/Scratchy set, e-mail me and i'll try and sort it out.

thsmrtlsnd, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"B-Live merks"

this phrase sounds totally weird to me. granted i've not heard this, but every other time ive heard b-live, he has appeared to be the worst mc ever. like, thanks for rendering cd1 of 'street beats' unlistenable dude! granted, its mostly about his shocking 'american' accent, but maybe hes dropped that.

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

b-live on fire hydrant = MURKERY!

as far as random grime observations, can i say its odd how no one on ILX except a few people that seem to get shot down think dizzee has somewhat strayed from grime. or perhaps he hasnt, hes just redefining it. or perhaps that last sentence is an easy way to avoid admitting that hes gone a bit pop (or 'slick') on the new album. i was perusing the boards of rwdmag and 1xtra and some signs of dissension are about (predictably!).

DVD (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

A fair amount of the lyrics on Showtime are things I'd heard before on pirate, so in that sense I feel he's still grime. Personally I love the production on the new LP, it may be slicker but if you listen a lot of grime instrumentals then compared to a year or so ago they invariably sound slicker. 'Trapped', although not on the album, is as grime as you could get. I also like the idea of some more cuts in the scene sounding like 'Everywhere', very slightly slower tempo but also half-time feel - and that bass! It could be a good look.

thsmrtlsnd, Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck all this sub-Reynolds shit... Who heard ALPHA OMEGA on deja last night? They're this African/Italian/Turkish/Asian rap crew from North ends on Dice Recordings, they all have throwback grimy mid-90's Queensbridge style flows, like AZ, CNN & all them, really nice thoughtful lyrics, and they sound nothing like Dipset. Check Govt Names soon for an exclusive write up.

SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

didnt hear it. but im starting to get less impressed about the state of grime MC-ing.

DVD (dickvandyke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

this might be cos ive overplayed that run the road comp and think grime MCs arent as good at making songs as they are at just rhyming over dubs.

DVD (dickvandyke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

this might be cos ive overplayed that run the road comp and think grime MCs arent as good at making songs as they are at just rhyming over dubs.

this is my theory. grime just doesnt sound good on individual tracks/albums as bits of radio shows/raves. they shoudl release a "best of de ja" or something. that would be better than all these mixtapes.

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I totally disagree on this. There's been plenty of "songs" with proper choruses and shit since like 2002 that outweigh the Lord Of The Decks style freestyles and vocal dubs. A best of deja would be amazing still. DVD, you're always banging on about the poor state of garage mcing but what MCs are you talking about exactly, just out of interest? Or what mcs do you think are good lyricists?

SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

But yeah i guess the mixtape thing is a bit pointless if you have radio access and are prepared to wade through all the funky house every station seems to be playin these days.

SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

ambrose OTM. I listen to Ruff Sqwad and Roll Deep radio sessions far more than I do yer Lord of the Decks or Boy In Da Cornerses. Having said that - LOTD3! Coming soon!

The only grime MC that I can take over straight hip hop is J2k. Heat In The Streets 2 is really quite good for this! Actually, maybe J2K is just a UKHH MC clinging to the COATTAILS of grime....

adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

But Adam, Kano over "What We Do"!!!!

SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

To my shame, I still haven't heard that. Anyone sharing it?

adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Or gmailing it????

adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

some MCs i think are good off the top of my head are dizzee, wiley, roll deep, kano, d double e, dirty doogz (on a good day).....

that said, i liked most of lord of the decks 2, thought it was great, and a lot more vital sounding than run the road. im sorry to keep harping on about RTR, but im just a little bit let down by it, thats all.

the thing is though, i liked kano a lot on boys luv girls, and part of that was because he was rhyming all around the beat, and the beat was doing weird things, rather than sticking to one pattern for the whole song like on ps and qs. i like the latter song a lot, but its a bit underwhelming after hearing him on stuff like ice rink or the NASTY crew freestyles ive got. part of this i think is that when it comes to making proper grime songs these days, it seems that theyre making the beats more spacious and easier to rhyme over, which in my view, is taking away from one of the best things about grime, the amazing headfucking beats. i mean, yeah i like fwd riddim, but the rapping on there is pretty shit, sad to say. grime MCs are amazing at riding a rhythm and darting in and out of the beat, and all over the place but theyre not that hot at combining that with writing songs. when it comes to that, they seem to try and make it simpler or something (and this is where their lack of depth comes into harsh focus).... or maybe thats just the vibe in the scene at the moment, theyre all so desperate to blow, that theyre trying to make it less 'noisy'. fuck that though, the noise is whats so good about grime.

i mean, even on the slow hip hop tempo tracks on showtime, dizzee is racing around the beat, still.

again, i should say this might just be my own bias towards extremity and a dislike for middle of the road-ness. then again, i think wileys album was severely underrated and that wasnt extreme as such, the beats were still animated and ultra-syncopated.

hope this doesnt read like a incoherent blog!

DVD (dickvandyke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

radio mixes are definitely better than vocal tracks and mixtapes. Grime crews should be releasing mixes like The Nasty Show, not mixtapes!

Keith McD, Friday, 22 October 2004 04:36 (nineteen years ago) link

word to keith mcd!

DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 22 October 2004 10:07 (nineteen years ago) link

DVD: all you seem to be saying over and over for about two weeks is, try as you might, in general you don't like grime MCs. why don't you just stop trying? no one is making you like them!

martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link

hahaha, i know, its quite amazing isnt it?! ive been blabbing on about the same ol shit post after post! its just that i think ive become sort of a grime obsessive, picking up everything i can, hearing everything possible, reading about it, etc etc. im trying to get into the genre really a lot. ive just been dissapointed with some of the stuff ive heard, thats all. i should probably post more about the stuff i have really liked, like that new b-live thing, the wonder and kano, the sticky 12, trapped, even the creeper mixtape. i will say that grime is a lot more diverse than i first thought, and its usually best when its a hybrid rather than sticking to one of the influences in that hybrid. i wouldnt say i dislike grime MCs, i like wiley, kano, dizzee, roll deep, d double e, a like lots of people. but its like every scene isnt it, not everyone is going to be brilliant.

DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 22 October 2004 11:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"Actually, maybe J2K is just a UKHH MC clinging to the COATTAILS of grime.... "

OTM.

DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 22 October 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

OK cool. you should try dubstep if you like mad beats but want a change from MCing tho...

martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link

DVD have you heard The Nasty Show? It was this amazing radio mix that the Nasty Crew did early last year, was supposed to be released but I'm not sure whether that ever happened. I still think it's the greatest single thing to ever come out of grime; from your recent posts I think you'd adore it.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:16 (nineteen years ago) link

it was never to be released, it was just done (before Jammer & D double E left) by Soul 2 Streets and NASTY to generate some hype. it also predated the whole US-style mixtape fashion...

martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont necesarily want mad beats, i mean, i didnt think the beats on the wiley album were that mad per se, but they seemed more inventive, for lack of a better word. more energtic, like he was forced to adapt to the frenetic beats, rather than a case of him wondering how MCing might fit on top while making them. but thank for the tips, guys. will hopefully stumble on the nasty show somewhere.

DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"it was never to be released"

Actually Martin I don't know how true this is but I read on RWD or somewhere late last year that they were going to belatedly release a CD of it.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

you can't release a CD like that without licencing all the tracks, paying the MCs, the DJs, promoting it, signing contracts blah blah blah. trust me, i spoke to the guy who organised it at the time, and the intent then was to create a promo thing just to generate hype around NASTY...

martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

... unless you just do a specialist road/bootleg ting like the Aim High/Creaper etc mixtapes do. but Soul 2 Streets wouldn't be silly enough to put it in HMV without doing it legit, i'm sure.

martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

i read in deuce that it was going to be released as a cd :-)

does this mean that people have a better-quality copy of it than that shitty 32kbps or whatever real audio thing that i've got?

toby (tsg20), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah it was available as a promo CD.
dont believe what you read in deuce, i made it all up :)

martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link

btw the Logan Sama free mix CD is in Uptown right now. the end of it goes beef tastic, including Wiley's full take on how Dizzee got stabbed...

martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

=0

adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 October 2004 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

my copy of lord of the mic finally arrived, and i have a couple of questions:

it seems like the order of lethal and wiley's diss tracks should be reversed, right? seem's like wileys "MY girls are young? what about YOUR girl?" is a response to the gary glitter comment...

aww, stryda's in his awkward phase. anyway shouldn't he be in school somewhere? is he? i don't care if he is a ninja. hit the books!

Lukas (lukas), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay so I've got this Rinse FM set of unknown origin. I think it's from about March maybe, it's got Crazy Titch, Taliban Trim, Flo Dan, Wiley, Tinchey Strider, Kano and a few others on it, and starts off with Davinche's "Leave Me Alone". Anyone know it?

Anyways apart from being insanely good as a whole, there's this awesome 8-bar in it which Flo Dan freestyles over - wedged between "Ground Zero" and the Wonder 8-bar Dizzee uses on "Respect Me". It's got this hyper-syncopated eastern groove, somewhere between Target and Zed Bias circa 01/02, but still really grime. A track ID would be most appreciated.

Also Flo Dan is quite good here, despite what Govt Names might say.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link

post up an MP3 of the track (not the whole set) and we can have a go at IDing the track...

martin (martin), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

DJ Glamma is playing old Jammer dubs from FIVE years ago on Rinse right now and they're grime!

martin (martin), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

im givng up trying to listen to all the pirates all the time.....

splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Martin i have neither the teknology nor the server space. I'll try to work it out though.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

the remix to kano's ps and qs is great, better than the original in my humble opinion.

splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 09:06 (nineteen years ago) link


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