Are there any rock bands from the post-digital era that could fill a stadium?

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yeah, that's a good point. maybe another way to ask this is to questions whether any post-digital bands have become marketing empires in the same way as U2, Springsteen, The Stones, etc.?

Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Coldplay, Linkin Park, and Nickelback all of those emerged on the cusp of the digital music era and are definitely stadium-level.

the stick stickly from the hilarious 'attack attack' band (The Reverend), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Right, but I'm really talking about after everyone started using iPods.

Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link

(so I suppose around 2000-2001)

Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Muse : (

caek, Monday, 6 July 2009 00:06 (fifteen years ago) link

if you're saying 2000-2001 Coldplay Parachutes came out 2000 and surely they could sell out a stadium.

the shock will be coupled with the need to dance (jim), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Muse was my first thought

Arctic Monkeys my 2nd :(

lynndie englisher (country matters), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:09 (fifteen years ago) link

I guess I'm unclear about timing; would you say that 2000-2001 was about when we got into a digital paradigm? Or was it later, like 2003?

Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:10 (fifteen years ago) link

muse and coldplay are about as early as you can go, based on the question, but i don't consider either of them post-digital era myself.

caek, Monday, 6 July 2009 00:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Glasvegas my third :( :( :(

lynndie englisher (country matters), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:12 (fifteen years ago) link

So we are differentiating between "bands" and "singers", right? Because Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers can certainly sell out stadium after stadium. It'd be interesting to compare demographics/listening habits of their fans versus, say, U2's when they began selling out stadiums.

"lol" as frivolity (Stevie D), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Jonas Brothers

master of karate and friendship for everyone (musically), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:13 (fifteen years ago) link

damn xpost

master of karate and friendship for everyone (musically), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Daughtry
The Killers

master of karate and friendship for everyone (musically), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I would set the date back to the late 90s when Napster exploded.

President Keyes, Monday, 6 July 2009 00:15 (fifteen years ago) link

oh shit the killers

lynndie englisher (country matters), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:15 (fifteen years ago) link

question is not just "bands" but "rock bands". i have genuinely never heard the jonas brothers, but i don't think they count?

caek, Monday, 6 July 2009 00:16 (fifteen years ago) link

So we are differentiating between "bands" and "singers", right? Because Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers can certainly sell out stadium after stadium.

i guess i meant people who write their own music and aren't manufactured by corporations.

Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:17 (fifteen years ago) link

okay, well then let's define rock. should be quick.

master of karate and friendship for everyone (musically), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:18 (fifteen years ago) link

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I would set the date back to the late 90s when Napster exploded.

but is when the primary mode of music consumption became digital? I don't think so.

Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:18 (fifteen years ago) link

PS The Killers are playing Terminal 5 in NYC this week which is certainly NOT a stadium.

"lol" as frivolity (Stevie D), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:18 (fifteen years ago) link

hardest would be to come up with a truly international answer, i.e. one that can fill stadiums both in north america an elsewhere, which would rule out muse (don't they play to about ten people in the US?) and the jonas brothers (arena level in the europe). killers are arena level even in the UK, no?

caek, Monday, 6 July 2009 00:19 (fifteen years ago) link

killers are not yet big enough to be the answer. at least part of the reason they're not (and the difficulty of this question) is due to the fact they released their first album only 5 years ago. takes time to build up a following that can support a stadium tour, even before the lol internet.

caek, Monday, 6 July 2009 00:22 (fifteen years ago) link

So we are differentiating between "bands" and "singers", right? Because Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers can certainly sell out stadium after stadium.

i guess i meant people who write their own music and aren't manufactured by corporations.

― Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Sunday, July 5, 2009 8:17 PM (7 minutes ago)

wait for geir to log on

unbandictionary (k3vin k.), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:26 (fifteen years ago) link

killers are not yet big enough to be the answer. at least part of the reason they're not (and the difficulty of this question) is due to the fact they released their first album only 5 years ago. takes time to build up a following that can support a stadium tour, even before the lol internet.

― caek, Sunday, July 5, 2009 7:22 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

OTM. Does anyone have dates on when Springsteen/U2/Van Halen/Led Zeppelin/Pink Floyd a) released their debut, b) started receiving decent airplay, c) began selling out stadiums?

"lol" as frivolity (Stevie D), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:29 (fifteen years ago) link

It happened way faster for Zeppelin than for those others. Van Halen might be second in line. Springsteen, U2, and Floyd all had long, slow builds...

Nate Carson, Monday, 6 July 2009 00:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Anyway, fuck seeing live music in a stadium anyway. Is this really a problem?

Nate Carson, Monday, 6 July 2009 00:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Coldplay is the only band to emerge in the 2000s that can consistently sell out 20,000 seat arenas, let alone 50,000 seat stadiums. Kings of Leon might get there too, but not yet.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 6 July 2009 00:39 (fifteen years ago) link

kings of leon? really? are they on the verge of hugeness? just an ipod commercial away?

keythkeythkeyth, Monday, 6 July 2009 00:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Anyway, fuck seeing live music in a stadium anyway. Is this really a problem?

i don't give a shit about that; i see the stadium as a proxy for popularity, and i was wondering about whether it's possible for a band to get that big again, due to shifts in music distribution, marketing, and segmentation of audiences.

Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Wait wait wait, we're totally forgetting country acts though. Can't Kenny Chesney and shit sell out stadiums?

"lol" as frivolity (Stevie D), Monday, 6 July 2009 00:56 (fifteen years ago) link

for the last fucking time dude, the thread is about rock bands.

ian, Monday, 6 July 2009 00:58 (fifteen years ago) link

kings of leon? really? are they on the verge of hugeness? just an ipod commercial away?

― keythkeythkeyth

i don't know the situation elsewhere but Kings of Leon are huuuuuuuuuuuuge in Britain.

the shock will be coupled with the need to dance (jim), Monday, 6 July 2009 01:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Kenny Chesney and shit

new genre name for "country"

m coleman, Monday, 6 July 2009 01:01 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.livenation.com/venue/susquehanna-bank-center-tickets

Nickelback, Toby Keith, Lil Wayne

"lol" as frivolity (Stevie D), Monday, 6 July 2009 01:01 (fifteen years ago) link

i thought Killers would be at this point by now but they seem to have drifted off slightly, doubt Kings of Leon will do any better even if that single is pretty hot atm

sonderangerbot, Monday, 6 July 2009 01:02 (fifteen years ago) link

i guess i meant people who write their own music and aren't manufactured by corporations

P.S. in context, what country is now--in sound, commercialization, and most importantly popularity--in comparison with what country was when Springsteen and U2 gained popularity are completely different, and I'd argue that it would be arbitrary to exclude country from "rock music"

"lol" as frivolity (Stevie D), Monday, 6 July 2009 01:04 (fifteen years ago) link

shania's ramones t-shirt to thread.

ian, Monday, 6 July 2009 01:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, people are tired of me pointing this out, but if the Eagles, Mellencamp, Petty, Bon Jovi, etc count as rock music, there's no logical reason Toby Keith and Kenny Chesney (and Taylor Swift, for that matter) shouldn't. They even have lots of the same fans.

I'd say Keith and Chesney might've emerged too early, though; if they count, why not Dave Matthews.

Taylor Swift definitely fits "people who write their own music and aren't manufactured by corporations."

If these aren't "bands" enough, then...Rascal Flatts.

xhuxk, Monday, 6 July 2009 01:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Pretty dumb to equate "rock bands" with "people who write their own music," though, since lots of fairly inarguable rock bands haven't generally done that, both in the Dianne Warren and "Louie Louie" eras.

xhuxk, Monday, 6 July 2009 01:23 (fifteen years ago) link

i don't know the situation elsewhere but Kings of Leon are huuuuuuuuuuuuge in Britain

Situation in the States: Not huge. Not even close.

xhuxk, Monday, 6 July 2009 01:24 (fifteen years ago) link

pretty big though dude, that stuff's all over mainstream rock radio

pretzel walrus, Monday, 6 July 2009 01:27 (fifteen years ago) link

not the states, but Kings of Leon had to add an extra show at GM Place in Vancouver

are there any big bands from the post-Beatles era that could fill a USO?

worm? lol (J0hn D.), Monday, 6 July 2009 01:32 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.mattendahl.com/jco/jco_images/clifford2.jpg

ian, Monday, 6 July 2009 01:35 (fifteen years ago) link

A couple other possibilites, judging from a random year-end boxscore top-grossing-tour chart I just looked at:

-- Trans-Siberian Orchestra (not sure when they started touring, though)
-- Mana (Mexican pop-rock, fwiw)
-- John Mayer (not a "band", right, but probably as "rock" as say Clapton used to be sometimes)

I'm assuming Justin Timberlake doesn't count here as a "rock band."

Suppose it's possible Trans-Siberian Orch and Mana pile up all those tour dollars at smaller venues, though that'd be pretty impressive if they do.

Nickelback and Dave Matthews Band way up there, too; guess it depends on when you think they're too old.

xhuxk, Monday, 6 July 2009 01:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Kings Of Leon 2009 North American tour; I don't have the energy to figure out how many of these are in actual stadiums:

http://www.ticketsnow.com/kings-of-leon-tickets/?GCID=S16598x002-jl_kol&keyword=kings%20of%20leon%20tour%20tickets&s_kwcid=kings%20of%20leon%20tour%20tickets|2619228487

xhuxk, Monday, 6 July 2009 01:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Also not sure how many of those they're headlining - - They toured with U2 four years ago, right? Does look like they're playing a number of secondary, maybe even tertiary, markets. Honestly think their rep as a huge festival draw in the UK is still something they're looking to follow up at home, so far unsuccessfully.

xhuxk, Monday, 6 July 2009 01:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Kings Of Leon can't even headline All Points West, stfu Britain

making plans for nagl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 6 July 2009 02:13 (fifteen years ago) link

that's what we're trying to find out.

ian, Monday, 6 July 2009 03:25 (fifteen years ago) link

im saying - is touring stadiums even a practice? i know that like sometimes billy joel or bruce or dmb will play shea or fenway but.. that just doesn't happen in the US anymore, and i dont think it's cuz there aren't bands that can fill stadiums, they just play arenas

and yes the jonas brothers are a good answer

a poppy seed NAGL (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 July 2009 03:27 (fifteen years ago) link

I seem to remember Kings Of Leon playing Madison Square Garden with My Morning Jacket (which, seriously, how could people tell when one band left the stage and the other one came on?).

not to defend either of these guys, but you obviously haven't heard much from either band then. MMJ is infinitely more talented than KoL, even if they don't always show it.

the sideburns are album-specific (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 July 2009 04:17 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't have the energy to figure out how many of these are in actual stadiums

the art of pretend lethargy

velko, Monday, 6 July 2009 04:28 (fifteen years ago) link

I've heard several songs by KOL, none of which I could ID or tell apart under duress. Whichever ones they've made videos for. I've quite possibly heard more by MMJ because when I last had a day job, many of my officemates worshipped them and would crank them on the communal stereo. But they'd also play KOL, which I think is a big part of why they blur together in my head.

unperson, Monday, 6 July 2009 04:28 (fifteen years ago) link

brokencyde

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Monday, 6 July 2009 06:37 (fifteen years ago) link

The Strokes.

makeitpop, Monday, 6 July 2009 09:32 (fifteen years ago) link

go team

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Monday, 6 July 2009 09:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah but has digital music even overcome physical music sales-wise yet? If we're discounting Napster/Kazaa eras we may as well discount torrents as well. I think we've either not yet hit that paradigm shift or we're too close to it to be able to be objective about when it happened.

At any rate its silly to set the split to 5-6 years ago and give musicians that much time to establish a stadium-level following, but exclude 'manufactured' bands!

Adam Bruneau, Monday, 6 July 2009 11:03 (fifteen years ago) link

tokyo hotel !

AleXTC, Monday, 6 July 2009 11:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Here's who's playing upcoming shows at the biggest venues in the Chicago area (one stadium, two amphitheaters, two arenas):

SOLDIER FIELD (capacity: 61,500):
U2

ALPINE VALLEY (40,000):
Dave Matthews Band
Coldplay
Jimmy Buffett

FIRST MIDWEST BANK AMPHITHEATER (28,000):
No Doubt w/Paramore
Kid Rock/Lynyrd Skynyrd
Def Leppard w/Poison and Cheap Trick
Crue Fest 2
Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival
Vans Warped Tour
Brad Paisley w/Dierks Bentley and Jimmy Wayne
Blink-182 w/Fall Out Boy
Nickelback w/Hinder, Papa Roach, and Saving Abel
Aerosmith w/ZZ Top
Creed
Toby Keith w/Trace Adkins
Dave Matthews Band

UNITED CENTER (23,500)
Green Day
Beyonce
AC/DC
Pearl Jam
Miley Cyrus

ALLSTATE ARENA (18,500)
Jonas Brothers
Demi Lovato
Marco Antonio Solis/Pepe Aguilar
American Idols Live!
Ricardo Arjona
Britney Spears
Wisin y Yandel
Pink
Taylor Swift
Vicente Fernandez

sad-ass Gen Y fantasist (jaymc), Monday, 6 July 2009 13:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Kings of Leon... Situation in the States: Not huge. Not even close.

Kings of Leon sold out Madison Square Garden in a couple hours.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/kings-of-leon-following-msg-sellout-with-1003939375.story

kornrulez6969, Monday, 6 July 2009 13:37 (fifteen years ago) link

dub metalol

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Monday, 6 July 2009 13:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Still true that Kings of Leon are much bigger in the UK. Only by Night has sold three times as many copies in a country with a fifth as many people as the US.

sad-ass Gen Y fantasist (jaymc), Monday, 6 July 2009 13:56 (fifteen years ago) link

The Killers are still huge in the UK; they played a sold out date to 50,000 people last Friday in Hyde Park.

Metro Video Centers, Monday, 6 July 2009 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link

The Killers def. The second album may have blown somewhat, but the third one contained a big hit and catapulted them to superstardom if they weren't up there before.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 6 July 2009 14:15 (fifteen years ago) link

yikes i didn't realize "Human" was one of their biggest songs in most countries besides the U.S.

Soulja Boy Pato (some dude), Monday, 6 July 2009 14:18 (fifteen years ago) link

makes sense that that chorus would thrive more in places were English isn't the first language, I guess.

Soulja Boy Pato (some dude), Monday, 6 July 2009 14:18 (fifteen years ago) link

lol

lynndie englisher (country matters), Monday, 6 July 2009 14:19 (fifteen years ago) link

im saying - is touring stadiums even a practice? i know that like sometimes billy joel or bruce or dmb will play shea or fenway but.. that just doesn't happen in the US anymore, and i dont think it's cuz there aren't bands that can fill stadiums, they just play arenas

if this is true, this doesn't happen "just because." A band sells out a stadium would make a lot more money than if they sell out an arena. there has to be a reason for downsizing, and i really doubt it's because an arena serves as a more intimate venue.

Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Monday, 6 July 2009 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link

I guess sometimes one stadium gig can be a substitute of sorts for several arena gigs, so it's not that cut and dried

Real Men Play On Words (DJ Mencap), Monday, 6 July 2009 16:06 (fifteen years ago) link

where are all of these kings of leon fans? i was under the mistaken impression that all of their fans wrote for nme. dave matthews sells out fulsom field which probably holds 40,000 for like weeks at a time here in boulder. half of the staff at my job are out sick whenever he shows up.

keythkeythkeyth, Tuesday, 7 July 2009 03:47 (fifteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

Any new thoughts on this?

Vanilla Douche (res), Sunday, 2 May 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

my morning jacket.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 2 May 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

they bridge the divide between jam band fans; arena rock fans; and indie fans.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 2 May 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

white stripes

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 2 May 2010 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link

The only band I've seen play in the past three years was to a sold-out stadium and the band was Trans-Siberian Orchestra. Tickets were a Christmas present from a friend. I will make this tale even dorkier by telling you that I felt like I was watching...the Gavinners.

http://th09.deviantart.net/fs44/300W/i/2009/129/f/5/Klavier_Gavin__ROCK_GOD_by_Kira759.jpg

These are the kinds of bands you get when you live in a retirement community w/less than 90,ooo people.

Kings of Leon

ksh, Sunday, 2 May 2010 23:20 (fourteen years ago) link

molly hatchet.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 2 May 2010 23:21 (fourteen years ago) link

lol maybe this poll was a harbinger of huegness to come: R WE Human or are we SEX ON FIRE?

in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Sunday, 2 May 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

THIS SEX IS ON FIRE

― Johnny Fever, Friday, February 6, 2009 8:24 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Sunday, 2 May 2010 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Pink sold out 12 shows or some ridic amount in a stadium in Melbourne, not sure if you'd count her as a "rock" act but I dont see why not.

Eyjafjallalalalalatrolololol (Trayce), Sunday, 2 May 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link

what about, like, Death Cab?

ksh, Monday, 3 May 2010 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Interpol

ksh, Monday, 3 May 2010 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link

both restricted to large theatre status, along w/ The Shins, Modest Mouse & other OC-era kinda-big indie bands.

in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Monday, 3 May 2010 00:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Stadiums? I doubt it.

xpost re interpol

Eyjafjallalalalalatrolololol (Trayce), Monday, 3 May 2010 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link

in most US cities, at least

in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Monday, 3 May 2010 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, fair enough

ksh, Monday, 3 May 2010 00:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I think this has more to do with the music press than with digital downloading. The press doesn't give bands the time to develop, they are constanctly on the lookout for the "next big thing", meaning debut albums, and then tend to tear them down already by the time of the 2nd or 3rd album. And it is very rare for a band with 1-2 albums behind them to be able to fill stadiums (even though I guess Coldplay did)

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:25 (fourteen years ago) link

it is very rare for a band with 1-2 albums behind them to be able to fill stadiums

That is the exact opposite of America. Here it's very rare for a band to fill a stadium without being around for 1-2 decades.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 3 May 2010 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah geir, like the music press hyping up bands, dropping them, hyping up newer bands has only happened in the internet age..

Dastardly & Müttley Crüe (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:37 (fourteen years ago) link

That is the exact opposite of America. Here it's very rare for a band to fill a stadium without being around for 1-2 decades.

But it wasn't always like this. I think in the 60s through the 90s, bands could do this without being around for very long.

Vanilla Douche (res), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, thiking of gnr at the kingdome (50k+), being popular less than 5 years

cheap phentermine (jergins), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:59 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah geir, like the music press hyping up bands, dropping them, hyping up newer bands has only happened in the internet age..

It happens to a larger and larger degree. Surely didn't happen a lot in the 60s and 70s, when many of the still stadium filling dinosaur acts were slowly building their careers.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 May 2010 09:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I think in the 60s through the 90s, bands could do this without being around for very long.

Many of the biggest bands of the early 70s were so-called "supergroups" consisting of members who were already partly famous from other bands. Making it easier for them to establish a name quickly.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 May 2010 09:55 (fourteen years ago) link


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