there's just so many good originals! thank you for accepting my list
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Monday, 7 December 2020 02:28 (three years ago) link
yah the covers poll idea is to free up lists (and listening) for all originals this time. I'm happy to run one separately after this is over, if that's simpler?
― huge rant (sic), Monday, 7 December 2020 02:46 (three years ago) link
yeah, let's have this main poll be originals only, and then do a separate covers poll - and I nominate sic to run it!
― sarahell, Monday, 7 December 2020 04:21 (three years ago) link
only problem there (which may not be a problem) is that there are already a couple of covers (not many) that have crept into ballots for the main polls so far. i guess we're ok for me to take those out?
― charlie rex, Monday, 7 December 2020 04:32 (three years ago) link
I would suggest that those voters be allowed to revise their ballots and replace the covers with other songs
― sarahell, Monday, 7 December 2020 04:38 (three years ago) link
good call -- I'll put the word out.
― charlie rex, Monday, 7 December 2020 04:42 (three years ago) link
there are several edge cases of course - Henry Lee and Stagger Lee are probably valid for either poll
― huge rant (sic), Monday, 7 December 2020 04:46 (three years ago) link
btw Cave has managed to release another new album since I posted that list eight days ago
― huge rant (sic), Monday, 7 December 2020 08:42 (three years ago) link
(an opera written during lockdown: a libretto of 12 litanies for composer Nicholas Lens)
― huge rant (sic), Monday, 7 December 2020 08:45 (three years ago) link
i think it's fine to include covers in the main poll anyway, just that there's enough to highlight them separately too since. if any are able to place in the main poll, let them
― ufo, Monday, 7 December 2020 11:04 (three years ago) link
agree, would prefer to also include covers in my main poll.
― stirmonster, Monday, 7 December 2020 11:43 (three years ago) link
ok sweet! to avoid ongoing confusion, we'll include covers in the main polls. I don't think this will really take anything away from a dedicated covers poll once we're done.
― charlie rex, Monday, 7 December 2020 12:53 (three years ago) link
yup. i'd love to vote in a dedicated covers poll later.
― stirmonster, Monday, 7 December 2020 16:13 (three years ago) link
yeah that seems like the reasonable approach. I can make the followup a hybrid listening thread / poll for variation too.
Were (Harvey) more than a competent vocal presence I think his solo albums would be pretty impressive.
(I've bounced off his singer-songwriter stuff to the tiny degree I've tried. I wonder how much it's his understated vocal personality, and how much that he just thrives better anonymously arranging / playing / producing most of other people's projects. Outside of the Bad Seeds/Birthday Party he's maybe done a plurality of the members' side projects: playing most of the instruments on the early Crime & The City Solution records and staying in the band throughout that version's lifespan; producing and playing nearly every recording Anita made; working on Rowland's two solo records; drumming and pianning on occasional adjunct Seed Brian Hooper's latter solo records. As well as other absurdly long-running relationships as unheralded sideman/arranger, like playing on all but two PJ Harvey records, and most of her tours, since before her one song with the Seeds; working on Bambi Lee Savage records and gigs for thirty years... Plus the Serge Gainsbourg records* landed better with me, where he's writing the lyrics and the arrangements and playing all the instruments and doing most of the singing but it's all in service of someone else's authorship!)
* the two '90s ones, I haven't heard the more recent two.
― huge rant (sic), Monday, 7 December 2020 23:07 (three years ago) link
Harvey’s final Gainsbourg album is a treat.
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 01:17 (three years ago) link
Roughly a week left to vote!
gosh I really better start listening to Nick Cave again, right? but he's never been a casual listen for me, so it's hard!
― charlie rex, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 11:23 (three years ago) link
Cave turned up as one of the questions on University Challenge last night. Teams only just recognising the Mercy Seat. Young whippersnappers omigosh.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 11:27 (three years ago) link
narrowing down my current shortlist of ~30 tracks to 20 is going to be very very difficult, his catalogue is really ridiculous in how consistent it is.
― ufo, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 11:38 (three years ago) link
Also a specialist subject on Mastermind.
― pedantly admonishment (aldo), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 11:44 (three years ago) link
keep missing Mastermind.When was the show. this week or a couple of weeks ago or what.I came in for teh 2nd round this week and had gone to see it at teh timmeslot I'd expected it to be in last week only to find it had shifted forward half an hour. & before taht had just forgotten it was on each week from the start of this season.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 12:14 (three years ago) link
Mastermind was last night, second contestant.
― pedantly admonishment (aldo), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 12:32 (three years ago) link
right, which one was 2nd. couldn't tell from 2nd round. would guess from those i saw that it was the guy who didn't do very well.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 12:38 (three years ago) link
Guy in the blue check shirt.
― pedantly admonishment (aldo), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 12:46 (three years ago) link
it looked like he was a bit taken aback by how badly he did.
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
Maybe he's a fan of the other Nick Cave and was confused by all the questions about music.
― huge rant (sic), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 18:55 (three years ago) link
Ha ha!
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 18:59 (three years ago) link
Really loving the string arrangements on “The Good Son” this listen through
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 21:29 (three years ago) link
I revisited The Boys Next Door ‘Door Door’ album this afternoon & half the album is gonna be on my sideprojects ballot loli listened to it a ton in my uni days, brings back so many memories. one thing i will say for Nick & all of his bands is that the music always has such ~great~ texture, even way back w Boys Next Door. talented cunts the lot of them!
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 22:42 (three years ago) link
and def sing the praises of producer/maniac/wild genius Tony Cohen (RIP) - he worked on almost everything from Boys Next Door through No More Shall we Part (which is even more amazing considering how nuts he (and they) were through a lot of that early period)
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 22:51 (three years ago) link
ballot sent!20 songs was brutal, i already hate my ballot lol
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 00:58 (three years ago) link
Dive Position!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_l1zV3kTXQ
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 01:00 (three years ago) link
OTM
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 01:12 (three years ago) link
I think its one side pre RSH and one side after he joined isn't it?Do like their thing in those early days. That 5 piece side and the material later released as BIrthday party but recorded before teh name change.Especially the skittering psychedelic jitterfunky stuff that's out on the Hee Haw cd.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 10:35 (three years ago) link
He'd guested onstage with them (and recorded an unreleased duet at that side-one session) but hadn't joined, yep.
Here's a fanzine review written by Rowland about nine months before he joined the band.
― huge rant (sic), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 10:48 (three years ago) link
Especially the skittering psychedelic jitterfunky stuff that's out on the Hee Haw cd.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, December 9, 2020 2:35 AM (twelve hours ago)
Okay, you've sold me! (i mean, not that much was necessary, but y'know, making coversation)
― sarahell, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 22:39 (three years ago) link
I had an appointment that I had to commute to this morning & listened to Boatman’s Call in its entirety there & back - the perfect accompaniment for a cold sunny morning’s drive <3
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 10 December 2020 01:36 (three years ago) link
Brompton Oratory in particular seems to require that perfect time of day for me.
― Clean-up on ILX (onimo), Thursday, 10 December 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link
i am inclined to agree now!
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 10 December 2020 02:35 (three years ago) link
https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/12/nick-cave-erotic-wallpaper/
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 10 December 2020 19:37 (three years ago) link
lmao i bet at this point he’d be annoyed if someone bought it
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 10 December 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link
Are we counting “Do You Love Me?” and “Do You Love Me? (Part 2)” as separate songs?
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 10 December 2020 22:19 (three years ago) link
i say no, to leave space for another song on my ballot lol
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Thursday, 10 December 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link
No, I think we won't treat Do You Love Me as two separate songs for the purpose of counting votes. I suppose it couldn't hurt to specify which version you're voting for, but don't include both on your ballot.
― charlie rex, Thursday, 10 December 2020 22:50 (three years ago) link
What about The Hammer Song?
― stirmonster, Thursday, 10 December 2020 23:50 (three years ago) link
if they’re separate tracks they should be treated as such surely but thats just me idksidebar i hope this is just a thought exercise bc i want to know why u would vote for a) both or b) part 2 in a TWENTY SONG BALLOT FFS
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 11 December 2020 01:52 (three years ago) link
space is precious!
counterpoint:
jingle
JANGLE
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Friday, 11 December 2020 01:59 (three years ago) link
lol
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 11 December 2020 02:10 (three years ago) link
Xxxp
I was asking more in the “Morning Bell” vs “Morning Bell/Amnesiac” sense that they sound unique enough to my ears that they could be considered separate. I wouldn’t put both on my ballot.
That being said, “Do You Love Me? (Part 2)” > “Do You Love Me?”
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 11 December 2020 02:27 (three years ago) link
My provisional Bad Seeds ballot is not something I would predicted. Turns out I really like a bunch of relatively low-key tracks I previously struggled to conjure in my head from their titles. Plus Your Funeral -- I heart pretty much all of that, but I guess I already knew that much.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 11 December 2020 23:57 (three years ago) link