Lol at this last. Of course
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link
Like that one book of interviews with Luis Buñuel Alfred, I think, and I like where he takes issue with everything they ask him. Although that book is actually pretty good.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
Peter Jackson did say this wasn't a trailer or even an excerpt of the movie. Maybe he just cut all the fun bits together for Christmas.
― DJI, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:16 (three years ago) link
yeah but he also said it's to give people an idea of the 'vibe' they're going for
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:20 (three years ago) link
Someone should rush out a Christmay, feel-good distillation of Gimme Shelter.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:26 (three years ago) link
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs)
It's a terrific book with many insights. He's prickly on occasion, though. Like this exchange after hearing an interpretation that repulsed him: "Very good. That is your Belle de Jour, not mine. If you direct it, let me know so I can watch it and pepper you with questions like you two are."
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:32 (three years ago) link
Ha, that is the one I always remember.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:35 (three years ago) link
I guess it is a useful comparison in that on the one hand he doesn't want to let them put words in his mouth but on the other hand it's not like he is trying to whitewash or sugarcoat anything.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:37 (three years ago) link
So, lemme summise what we know..
Ringo quit during the White AlbumGeorge quit during Let It BePaul quit during RevolverJohn, well he wasn't around for the "I me mine" session, but..
When I first saw "Let it be" as a kid, I saw a band being serious about what they were doing. Not being hugely pally, just getting on with things.
Reading the Lewison "Sessions" book, there were loads of times they got on each others wick. Ringo avoided it as he was usually in reception, reading etc unless he was called in to drum or owt, during the 'multitrack' years.
Compare to the Velvet Underground rehearsal tape, pre the first album, where Lou was more snippy than Paul&John put together...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link
Having been thru a separation, if someone had asked me how to edit footage of the last year of my marriage while it was ending I would have chosen the material which showed the reasons for separation. As a grieving and justification process.
― assert (MatthewK), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:47 (three years ago) link
You would want the public to see you and your partner at your worst?
"whitewashing" doesn't really seem the right term to describe a movie that whose producers/subjects (or director-fan) opt not to be shown always fighting. It would be weird to expect otherwise, esp. if they feel the prevailing "bummer" narrative around these sessions has been a little exaggerated
Like why wouldn't they want to be remembered (and remember themselves) for the good times they had?
Seems a lot to ask for anything else from what in the end is just a band
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:54 (three years ago) link
Fair enough.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:55 (three years ago) link
For example: that clip of John teasing George with real affection over the drug bust, reading the headlines in a reporter's voice. I loved that!
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link
it's nice to see
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link
I thought it was implied that Jackson chose to show the happy bits in his teaser because he wanted to bring some cheer at a time when the world was going to shit over the pandemic.
I posted about this in another thread, but it's telling that the happy footage generally came from Apple's studios. It's been repeated many times (especially in Anthology) that everything about Twickenham was awful. For starters, they couldn't work their usual hours of late in the evening going into early morning, instead it was more or less regular business hours, something they were NEVER accustomed to. (Coincidentally, I just saw an "Old Grey Whistle Test" DVD where they mentioned how that show started work in the morning which was tough because rock stars in general HATED those hours.) It was also cold and resembled a dim, shitty-looking air hangar. When things fell apart and they tried to work it out, the first thing they all agreed to was to vacate Twickenham for the confines of their own company's space. That alone probably made a huge difference - I'm certain it was a great help in "resetting" the sessions. As mentioned Preston coming in helped things even more. If you dive into those 40 discs of bootlegs that were produced from the Nagra tapes, you can hear that divide. The Apple sessions were a LOT more relaxed and amicable. The horrible shit is mainly in the Twickenham part, particularly the January 13th "session" (where there's actually no real music, just frank talk) and it'll be interesting to see how much of it makes the film.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link
Jackson started this long before the pandemic and said back then, too, that he felt people had the wrong (or exaggerated) impression of these sessions
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 19:05 (three years ago) link
I mean to say that I wouldn't be surprised if this is largely representative of the end product
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link
can we go back to that green suit though??
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 22:46 (three years ago) link
Lol
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 22:47 (three years ago) link
would very much wear, to be clear
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 23:10 (three years ago) link
I didn't expect to get 'cited about this at all but that's quite something to see.
Really weird how whatever they've done in the restoration makes it look like a recreation that's graded to look like footage from the period. It looks hyper real and unreal.
― Germs! Germs! Germs! (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link
Just like The Hobbit.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 16:05 (three years ago) link
Having never seen any genuine unrestored footage from Middle Earth I wouldn't know.
― Germs! Germs! Germs! (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link
https://s27363.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Hobbiton-New-Zealand.jpg.optimal.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 16:10 (three years ago) link
surely, the original miserable footage was to fit the existing narrative, or to simply CREATE a narrative, one which everyone needed at the time to explain what happened to the band, but while the new happier slant is obv to boost the brand, and say something new about that period and the beatles story in general, the truth is somewhere in between. the old version was too neat. this new one will likely be also, just at the opposite end. the truth is probably just too broad, all over the place, and messy to really grapple with without much nuance, but with so much time having passed, now we prob have the distance to see it a bit more clear eyed, in less simplistic terms.
― candyman, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 16:13 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I’m simultaneously super stoked about this movie and disappointed that it’s Jackson, who makes I dunno John Hughes look like a sophisticated & subtle storyteller. I’m sure there’s a big beautiful nuanced movie lurking in all that footage (probably enhanced with a lot of footage from the era that’s not from the LIB vault proper) but I 100% trust that it won’t be this one. Watched LIB for the first time in many years yesterday. It’s a pretty shoddy piece of filmmaking but there’s a lot to recommend it, just seeing the physicality of each of them & (esp during the rooftop concert) how they click when they perform together well.
― the thing that the angry Left forbids (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:09 (three years ago) link
Paul did an "Ask Me Anything" on Reddit today, and was asked about the Peter Jackson film:
I think the main thing was that after the release of the 'Let it Be' film I was saddened with the break up of the Beatles. And the film always reminded me of that. So I was very happily surprised when Peter Jackson told me he'd been reviewing the unseen 56 hours of footage and he found it to be entertaining and upbeat. Since then I've seen clips from it and it's very joyful. I particularly like me and John jiving together. And also the birth of the song Get Back. It's pretty exciting, I must say. Crazy!
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:18 (three years ago) link
Crazy!
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:21 (three years ago) link
lol that's basically "it was a pretty shitty period and made me feel shitty and sad, but I just saw this footage and maybe it wasn't shitty and sad and I'm remembering it wrong?"
Maybe Jackson will reveal that they didn't break up after all and they can reunite and tour as state of the art Weta holograms.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K_oYJvag4U
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:25 (three years ago) link
lol, JiC.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:36 (three years ago) link
Doesn't Paul come across as a wanker in the original film? But now George and John are gone we can at last see the thumbs up bobbly head Macca we know and love.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:40 (three years ago) link
... forgot raised eyebrow.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:41 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGuH7Zxbr84
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:49 (three years ago) link
Actually, while I'm sure this famous fight has been a bit overblown, what I recall from the film is the band just generally being over Paul's shit. Paul is playing cheerleader but the band is just not feeling it, or is elsewhere mentally. It's been a while, but I recall a scene of them rehearsing "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" with Paul going so far as to call out the chord changes (like George or John really need them), and the guys shooting lasers at him with their eyes in response as they play the dumb song over and over again, bored.
Not Ringo, though. He's always having a blast.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:58 (three years ago) link
Philip Norman, often wrong, said the following correct thing in '87 when Harrison was promoting Cloud Nine: "With John dead, George is the only person you can talk to about The Beatles now. Ringo can't tell you and Paul won't tell you.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 21:00 (three years ago) link
I always liked the way George would talk about the Beatles like they were just some band he was in when he was younger, often exactly like that. "When I was in my old band, the Beatles ... "
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 21:03 (three years ago) link
I don't pay as much attention to the Beatles as most of you (LOL) but I remember the bits in the Anthology doc (was there one?) when Paul and George were together being extremely awkward.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 21:06 (three years ago) link
You could tell George was very much holding Paul at arms length.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link
G: ".. my song 'Dehra Dun'.."P: "(oh.. I remember that one...)"
― Mark G, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 21:12 (three years ago) link
Had I known nothing about the Beatles watching the doc, I'd swear George was the leader.
For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPf98jsxyDs
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 21:15 (three years ago) link
I love the way George talks, could listen to him all day.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 23:35 (three years ago) link
Actually, while I'm sure this famous fight has been a bit overblown, what I recall from the film is the band just generally being over Paul's shit. Paul is playing cheerleader but the band is just not feeling it, or is elsewhere mentally. It's been a while, but I recall a scene of them rehearsing "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" with Paul going so far as to call out the chord changes (like George or John really need them), and the guys shooting lasers at him with their eyes in response as they play the dumb song over and over again, bored.Not Ringo, though. He's always having a blast.― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, December 23, 2020 3:58 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, December 23, 2020 3:58 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Just watched the movie today for the first time since I was a kid and your recollection is accurate.
― peace, man, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 23:36 (three years ago) link
John and Paul are kind of a classic duo consisting of one person who revels in being a confrontational jerk but who is also charming and amusing much of the time, and another person who wants to be seen as nice or "nice" but is all too often overbearing, manipulative insufferable, etc./PopPsych101
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 23:38 (three years ago) link
lol you wanna George staring daggers in the modern era? Check out his response to Paul's request (order?) to play "Blue Moon of Kentucky" ("The short version"). Paul's relentless cuteness gets to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wrgrm1eabI
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 23:41 (three years ago) link
Yeah, was gonna mention that one
― Mark G, Thursday, 24 December 2020 00:20 (three years ago) link
I posted this in another Beatles thread, but whenever Paul starts talking during those group interviews in Anthology, George gets this look on his face like, “Ugh, this fucking guy.” If a camera or mic was on Paul, his Performing Persona took over, which George had no use for: “I’ve known you since you were 14, and I can tell when you’re bullshitting.”One thing I love about that clip, though, is that they’re all, George included, enjoying it, but you get the sense that George just wants to hang out and play without the cameras, and without it being THE REUNITED BEATLES. He might’ve had a blast just swapping tunes and stories without the pressure of it being a heavy Beatle moment.(Also, when Ringo goes into half time on “Raunchy,” it suddenly sounds more Beatle-y.)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 24 December 2020 00:34 (three years ago) link
Christ the Anthology era sucked so hard.
― piscesx, Thursday, 24 December 2020 01:04 (three years ago) link
Christ: the Anthology <---- the perfect Christmas gift
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 December 2020 01:09 (three years ago) link
Too bad Neil Innes and Eric Idle had a falling out before they finished it.
― Whamagideon Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 December 2020 01:15 (three years ago) link