xxxxpost http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keef
― Not No Cow (Fuckatimest), Thursday, 9 July 2009 00:29 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost, yeah i think i knew that keef didn't play on those tracks, but just figured Mick J wrote 'em alone. he can play guitar too ...
― tylerw, Thursday, 9 July 2009 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, Jagger plays rhythm on both tracks.
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 July 2009 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Jimmy Miller was WAY more of a positive contributor to the 1968-1972 Stones than Mick Taylor.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 9 July 2009 00:46 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.rollingstonesnet.com/images/MickTaylor1968.jpg
http://image57.webshots.com/757/7/93/92/2502793920039519518JYZLpd_ph.jpg
― velko, Thursday, 9 July 2009 00:52 (fourteen years ago) link
His Sticky Fingers solos are his greatest stuff to my ears, esp. Can't You Hear me Knocking and Sway. In comparison to the roughness of the music, he was all sugar...great to hear the tension between the two.
Another gem is Time Waits for No One...
― calstars, Thursday, 9 July 2009 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 July 2009 01:05 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, can you explain that elvis?
― velko, Thursday, 9 July 2009 01:06 (fourteen years ago) link
― enbba champions (omar little), Thursday, 9 July 2009 01:07 (fourteen years ago) link
take it to the In Praise Of.....Jimmy Miller thread
― velko, Thursday, 9 July 2009 01:08 (fourteen years ago) link
srsly come on now
― tylerw, Thursday, 9 July 2009 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link
― enbba champions (omar little), Thursday, 9 July 2009 01:11 (fourteen years ago) link
There's some smoke there, but also some fire.
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 July 2009 01:13 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.jimmymillerconstruction.com/construction%20logo.jpg
― velko, Thursday, 9 July 2009 01:13 (fourteen years ago) link
What, James Taylor?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 July 2009 01:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Sway is the best thing the Stones ever did that's not Gimme Shelter,
Winter is about as sweet as blooz licks get,
And what Keef meant is that Taylor couldn't take the Jason Newsted treatment any better than Jason Newsted
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 9 July 2009 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link
fuckin sway, man
― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 July 2009 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I think that Miller was a positive force in keeping out the Stones' own worst tendencies in the studios. Charlie in particular never sounded better than on the four albums Miller produced.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 9 July 2009 01:34 (fourteen years ago) link
"listen to Stones boots from his tenure, he is on fire"
i'd love to hear some recommendations - any that are particular stand-outs?
i never considered the jimmy miller element before...
― sknybrg, Thursday, 9 July 2009 02:12 (fourteen years ago) link
'liver than you'll ever be' ('69 US tour)!!
― old chisel (haitch), Thursday, 9 July 2009 02:20 (fourteen years ago) link
thanks hairch - i'm on it
― sknybrg, Thursday, 9 July 2009 02:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Another gem is Time Waits for No One...― calstars, Wednesday, July 8, 2009 5:59 PM (1 hour ago)
<3<3<3 OTMx100000
― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 9 July 2009 03:01 (fourteen years ago) link
All that keeps me from preferring Mick Taylor to Ronnie is that the Stones recorded Goat's Head Soup and It's Only Rock and Roll with him.
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 July 2009 03:03 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean, the least essential of the 1977-1986 almost-decace is Undercover, so...
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 July 2009 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Mick Taylor >> Brian Jones >>> Ronnie Wood (Stones-era, not Faces)
― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 9 July 2009 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZCmJw1JHEo
― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 9 July 2009 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link
i feel like Bimble, is that so wrong?
― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 9 July 2009 03:15 (fourteen years ago) link
awful video sorry, just listen to Mick Taylor rule your world.
― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 9 July 2009 03:16 (fourteen years ago) link
great thread. favorite stones era.
― ian, Thursday, 9 July 2009 03:27 (fourteen years ago) link
as far as taylor era boots go, yeah the LiveR Than You'll Ever Be is great, the Leeds 1971 is killer and a 1972 or 73 show in Brussels is worth seeking out ...
― tylerw, Thursday, 9 July 2009 03:40 (fourteen years ago) link
dunno if the download link still works but http://stonestocry.blogspot.com/2007/07/rolling-stones-nasty-music.html
― tylerw, Thursday, 9 July 2009 03:41 (fourteen years ago) link
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, July 8, 2009 8:03 PM
If Goats Head Soup hadn't come on the heels of that crazy epic run, it would be a lot less slept on.
I'm usually with you on the whole challopsy Emotional Rescue-through-Steel Wheels thing but Taylor's lead work starting around 2:20 is worth any one of those records, and maybe all of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwu0MQrk_ec
That said, Keith's jab is douchey but I respect it. Mick Taylor is a tremendous guitar player, but the 24/7 rolling stones rock star circus did not agree with him.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 9 July 2009 06:01 (fourteen years ago) link
heard an awesome boot from the perth show of the '73 tour on the radio one day, they were slamming through the tracks like a punk band, but never was able to find it unfortunately.
― old chisel (haitch), Thursday, 9 July 2009 06:06 (fourteen years ago) link
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 9 July 2009 07:01 (fourteen years ago) link
a 1972 or 73 show in Brussels is worth seeking out ...
― willem, Thursday, 9 July 2009 07:15 (fourteen years ago) link
i got me a nice little list to work with - thanks!
― sknybrg, Thursday, 9 July 2009 07:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Didn't Jimmy Miller play drums on lots of "Exile," or at least some of it?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 July 2009 12:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I know he played on "Happy."
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 July 2009 12:11 (fourteen years ago) link
perth: http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?2,694283
― I understand that the romantic interest route is very popular. (stevie), Thursday, 9 July 2009 12:57 (fourteen years ago) link
"heard an awesome boot from the perth show of the '73 tour"
I have a boot from an Australian show in '72 or '73 that is so fucking awesome it's jaw dropping. This may be the one.
― Bill Magill, Thursday, 9 July 2009 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link
c'mon scotland...
― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 9 July 2009 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link
caught with 1.1km to go
― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 9 July 2009 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link
haha sorry, wrong thread.
― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 9 July 2009 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link
MacTaylor
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 July 2009 15:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Tour de Keef
― tylerw, Thursday, 9 July 2009 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Instead of water you get blood replacements as you bike.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 July 2009 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.usmagazine.com/files/images/605_jlu_richards.jpg
― tylerw, Thursday, 9 July 2009 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd wondered why Ned was posting here.
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 July 2009 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
here's something mick taylor did after the stones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znchZzjRfuU
― m coleman, Thursday, 9 July 2009 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link
here's something mick taylor did before the stones (video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLzYBTIDYO0
― m coleman, Thursday, 9 July 2009 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link
it seems like lots of folks i know are kinda blah on Mayall's propensity for formalism, but Bare Wires (showcasing a young Mick taylor) is pretty dope & highly recommended
― ^prizes the praise of the media, and the Europeans (will), Thursday, 9 July 2009 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_elCAjJC38T0/RuF2GHZ9FZI/AAAAAAAAArw/XqSQbPlyhnM/s400/John_Mayall_-_Bare_Wires_-_Front.jpg
― ^prizes the praise of the media, and the Europeans (will), Thursday, 9 July 2009 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link
lol man i totally adore it's only rock & roll
goat's head and B&B are the ones I can go a while without hearing.
― ^prizes the praise of the media, and the Europeans (will), Thursday, 9 July 2009 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Big ups for the link, Steve Shasta! Never heard this one before - sounds great.
― Marcus Brody Ta-Dow! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 9 July 2009 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I think it was, yeah. It looked pretty good, but when I went to order it off Amazon the reviews pretty much trashed it and I got cold feet
amazon reviewers otm
― dmr, Thursday, 9 July 2009 18:07 (fourteen years ago) link
who here remembers "Leather Jackets"?
― henry s, Thursday, 9 July 2009 18:17 (fourteen years ago) link
{url=http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M0EVSQ4O]here's the 'Gimme Shelter' I was talking 'bout earlier[/url]
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 9 July 2009 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link
ugh
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 9 July 2009 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link
oh hi http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f90/rolling-stones-unreleased-decca-live-album-1972-a-58734.html
― tylerw, Thursday, 9 July 2009 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link
i forgot he was on bare wires. i love that album.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 July 2009 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost gtr5101 is a treasure trove of musica
― Marcus Brody Ta-Dow! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 9 July 2009 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Thanks for that link Tyler, listened to that live '72 album on the commute this morning. It's fantastic.
― willem, Friday, 10 July 2009 05:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Mick Taylor speaks!
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 September 2009 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link
the ravages of time : (
― velko, Monday, 14 September 2009 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link
poor guy
― iago g., Monday, 14 September 2009 04:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd like to think that somehow that is not as clear cut a case of theft as it sounds. If he really hasn't gotten any checks in all these years, it's contemptible.
what shit.
― Zachary Taylor, Monday, 14 September 2009 05:30 (fourteen years ago) link
In the words of the old song THATS LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- minnie, midlands, 13/9/2009 10:05
― rich, velvety condescension (stevie), Monday, 14 September 2009 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link
That's bullshit
― Bill Magill, Monday, 14 September 2009 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link
how is this even possible? that is a sad story...
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 01:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Taylor's retracting the original story: http://www.nme.com/news/the-rolling-stones/47326
― dad a, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link
The Daily Mail tell fibs? Shocking.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 02:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Can you imagine joining the biggest band in the world at the time, at age 20?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ1CRKiwdho
ffwd to the epic outro (~2:30): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ1CRKiwdho
Keith is in open-G capo 4 (open B) and Mick is in standard but listen to (aside from a few throwaway lead lines 2:58-3:16, looks like Keith tells him to stop) how absolutely locked in he is with Keith & the rhythm section, you get nice video at 3:33-3:39.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 19 September 2020 06:06 (three years ago) link
So I am dumb and don't know anything at all about music or instruments. Would it be possible to explain to me, in words I could understand, what I'm hearing here and which part Mick Taylor is playing? I ask because I love the outro to Tumbling Dice and I've been wondering for years what exactly is happening in it that makes it sound so good.
― Lily Dale, Saturday, 19 September 2020 06:22 (three years ago) link
The outro is a simple repetitive riff by Keith who is the heart of this song, he really drives every aspect of it. Mick Taylor is just a kid, fresh out of Mayall's Blues band (he replaced Peter Green who replaced Eric Clapton), so he has a tendency to want to do these wanky leads which are just unnecessary, but Keith is like: "Just surrender to this groove man" and when they are in-step/sync, it's just about heaven.
The more complicated way to describe what's happening is that Keith plays a very particular tuning that was not common outside of blues & some folk (he only uses 5-strings in open-G but capo'd on the 4th fret = BF#BD#F#) whereas Mick Taylor is playing standard (EADGBE) but despite the different tunings, they are playing the exact same notes for most of the outro. Some strings Keith plays ring open at times, and most of the time Mick's playing gives more depth & body to the repetitive groove. It's the stylistic differences of the two of them being forced to do the same thing that is rather magical to my ears. And not to discount the rest of the band, the keys & the brass is also great. But sometimes I hear why Mick Taylor was such a key figure in this era of the Stones and I try to put my finger on it.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 19 September 2020 06:43 (three years ago) link
Beautifully put. And it's enlightening to catch Keith playing boss/bandleader (maybe a bit territorial?) in that clip. Never noticed it before.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 19 September 2020 08:43 (three years ago) link
Always enjoy trying to parse the lyrics to TD. I seem to hear “fever in the pork house, now” when it goes to the fourth and fifth
― calstars, Saturday, 19 September 2020 09:55 (three years ago) link
Thank you, that's a great explanation.
― Lily Dale, Saturday, 19 September 2020 11:05 (three years ago) link
Big Taylor fan, but in hindsight he was a really weird choice for the Stones. I mean those guys could barely play…
― calstars, Sunday, 14 August 2022 18:24 (one year ago) link
I don't know if I would say he ever overplayed on the studio albums, though. Maybe on "Time Waits For No-One".
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 14 August 2022 19:40 (one year ago) link
KR: "Mick Taylor is a great guitarist, but he found out the hard way that that's all he is"
― dow, Sunday, 14 August 2022 21:23 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuzC_3ai1ek
― calstars, Sunday, 14 August 2022 22:54 (one year ago) link
I mean wasn't Mick Taylor stuffed by the Stones for songwriting royalties or am I misremembering something?
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Monday, 15 August 2022 14:13 (one year ago) link
Yeah. He legit wrote the music for "Moonlight Mile" and "Sway," for example.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 August 2022 16:00 (one year ago) link
upthread there's a claimed update to the gold-records story, where taylor apparently told NME that actually the daily mail version of the story was scurrilously exaggerated gossip and that he was still on good terms with the band
Taylor's retracting the original story: http://www.nme.com/news/the-rolling-stones/47326― dad a, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 02:55 (twelve years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― dad a, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 02:55 (twelve years ago) bookmarkflaglink
unfortunately linkrot and the NME's usual digital incompetence means the story isn't there any more so who knows where things stand (daily mail never a good source tho)
― mark s, Monday, 15 August 2022 16:20 (one year ago) link
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, August 15, 2022 5:00 PM (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
two of the best Stones songs imo
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Monday, 15 August 2022 16:41 (one year ago) link
also "time waits for no one"
― veronica moser, Monday, 15 August 2022 18:16 (one year ago) link
That one absolute leapt out at me on a recent replay of the IORNR LP
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Monday, 15 August 2022 18:30 (one year ago) link
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie
top tem for me
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 August 2022 18:38 (one year ago) link
What do we think of Leather Jacket?
― calstars, Saturday, 3 June 2023 21:25 (eleven months ago) link