I'm sorry, but that Justin Timberlake track is garbage

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''If you are a male singer and you screech more than ROBERT SMITH, you are doing something wrong.''

dan- what do u think of keiji haino?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tim i didnt care for Britney or N Sync's stuff at all until the two aforementioned singles in question - but this idea that I waited for them to come out before liking pop is absurd. granted i'm still getting used to the idea that its not just kids, non-angst-ridden teenagers and kitsch gay guys who like that kinda thing (hey this was a big shock to me 3 years ago ;) but for fucks sake there's more to pop, even manufactured pop, then this kind of stuff - i still see a world of difference between them and the Pet Shop Boys, St Etienne and even Moloko (all of whom i've liked for years due to their ability to craft a quirky, catchy pop track if nothing else) yet they all qualify as pop music just as much Britney and co...and i still think that as a reserved and deep-thinking mid 20s white heterosexual male its hardly depressing if i find nothing of value in boy bands, pop queens and such generally - whats more, all the early Britney singles were as over-rated as fuck and she's got noticeably better in my opinion since finally putting out to Justin - so thar

― blueski, Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

by deep-thinking i mean i worry about impending nuclear war as well as pondering the merits of manufactured pop of course ;)

― blueski, Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

dan- what do u think of keiji haino?

Never heard him.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

The song needs a better singer than Justin - I like the suggestion of Usher although this might be too weird for him - but I'm still convinced it's a good song (proof: I try to sing along with Justin's wacky falsetto).

― Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

quality aside, i was very disappointed when i finally heard the 'drums' part after all the bleating on that other thread. who did this do it for, again?

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

should i stir up the ilx race tension of late by highlighting the word "white" (amongst other potentially troubling definitions of the pop/non-pop audience) in blueski's post? no i think i better not.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Geeg: You are on on crack and so is yo mama. No disrespect intended.
Oh PUH LEEZ. Geeg doesn't need drugs as he gets off on the musique. heh. Obv it is CLASSIQUE: it's about Justin Timberlake begging his fans to let him grow up, like Michael Jackson when he was dancing Off The Wall. He's in control - "Drums!" - but at the same time he's fully aware he's placing his fate in his fans' hands. We (the fans and Justin) both need eachother. It's oh so meta-pop like "I'm a slave for you" was. And I quite ADORE Arto Lindsay though his last performance was a bit too *messy* (which alienated the attendants who had never heard of No New York).

― nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's about Justin Timberlake begging his fans to let him grow up

And thus the coke-fuelled downfall begins. Heh heh heh.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

he smoked weed with Nelly = it's all over but the shouting

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 31 October 2002 21:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Something that struck me tonight - what if all that 11-year 66/77/88/99 cycle stuff was RIGHT and that gorgeous spangly teenpop WAS the big cyclical generation-shift thing "we" had been waiting for and that we muffed the signs (a la Silver Chair) and now it's all going horribly wrong...

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 1 November 2002 00:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah, time to start reconstructing the golden age and selling it back to people, then. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

ok... just saw JT perform this live on TRL and i must say the track is MUCH better live! he's got la funk guys as his band.. Fish Fisher from Fishbone on drums!

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 23:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

! On the one hand that's wonderful, on the other hand how does Fisher keep from sharpening his drumsticks and throwing them straight through Timberlake's shiny little heart?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 23:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

they seem to have a good relationship on stage. JT stands in front of Fish before each song and they laugh. on the "drums!" part he says "Fish.. break it down." then i blacked out.

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Good fuckin' Lord! Someone tell that guy who started the Fishbone thread a few days ago. He'll have a heart attack.

Still, I've heard of worse cases of "oh how the mighty have fallen." Paul Raven of Killing Joke actually had to play with Belinda Carlisle for a while (before re-joining the Joke, then quitting again, then joining Prong etc.)

Still, playing drums behind Justin Timberlake....who wasn't even a fetus when Fishbone's jaw-droping eponymous debut e.p. was released, is a sad, sad state of affairs indeed.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

The rest of the album is mostly better though Dan if you don't like his voice you still won't like it.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alex, i dont think its such a bad thing! Fish plays the hell out of the drums and works well with this new "crazy neptunes produced for live band" sound. I would love to play bass for JT. Those songs would be a blast! Fishbone was Res' back up band on her first album btw.

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

like whats the difference in Fish playing with JT or Flaming Lips playing with Beck or Tom Verlaine playing with Mathew Sweet or Jim O'rourke playing with SY or Dave Lombardo playing with Mike Patton?

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I would love to play bass for JT."

I'd like to hit JT with a bass.

"Fishbone was Res' back up band on her first album, btw."

Yeah, but Res can sing!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

"like whats the difference in Fish playing with JT or Flaming Lips playing with Beck or Tom Verlaine playing with Mathew Sweet or Jim
O'rourke playing with SY or Dave Lombardo playing with Mike Patton?"

Standards, Chaki. Playing with teen poppers like the reprehensable Justin Timberlake may help pay the electric bill, but it hardly enhances one's credibility.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

standards?! exactly! JT has raised his standards by playing with dope ass musicians where as Beck's standards are obviously lower!

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 05:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

JT has raised his standards by playing with dope ass musicians

Pity he still has the voice of a CASTRATED EUNUCH SUCKING HELIUM. Who is trying to be 'manly' to boot. DIE DIE DIE.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 06:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

ned, you've fallen into self-parody!

― boxcubed (boxcubed), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 06:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

a lot of hatorade is being drunk up in here. a lot of it.

― d k (d k), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 06:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think he's sexy. Now. And I never think boys are sexy. I think the way he sings is sexy in the way girls are usually sexy - 'I've only got one way to please you ...' - it's unusual for a boy.

― Hugo Retort, Wednesday, 6 November 2002 07:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Justin is a good singer and its good that he's trying to keep Michael Jackson alive in his voice and dancing, he's just like Usher another Michael Jackson wannabe, at least when Michael Jackson dies his legacy will live on between these two pop stars

― Quikmove, Wednesday, 6 November 2002 13:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does that mean that Usher will become white and Justins surgically modified to resemble a woman?

― Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 13:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

"surgically modified"? (I'm sorry, cheap shot.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 14:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Justin is a good singer..."

No, actually, he's not.

"....and its good that he's trying to keep Michael Jackson alive in his voice and dancing...."

No, sorry, that's not good either, actually. In fact, it's bad. Even if you *LIKE* Michael Jackson (which -- SURPRISE -- I don't), it's bad. We already have a Michael Jackson (unfortnately), why do we need another? We can't Justin find his own style?

"....he's just like Usher another Michael Jackson wannabe,"

I'll give you that one.

"at least when Michael Jackson dies his legacy will live on between these two pop stars."

By saying that, you are equating their talents -- asserting that Justin and/or Usher's work will fill the much-needed voided that Michael Jackson's untimely demise will create. As much as I loathe Michael Jackson, I can at least spot his (ever-diminishing) talent and recognize its originality, whereas Justin and Usher are merely appropriating, making their efforts that much more reprehensible.

Good lord, did I just defend Michael Jackson? Time for some coffee.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 16:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

That, incidentally, should be "WHY can't Justin find his own style." My spelling is going the way of all flesh.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 16:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Justin is a good singer..."

No, actually, he's not.

As if EVER that was relevant in Pop music.

― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 17:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Usher is really only aping Michael Jackson on the dancing front, though; he's got a very different vocal style. ("U Got It Bad" may be the slow jam of the year.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 18:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

ned, you've fallen into self-parody!

How can I fall into something where I already was?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 18:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

am i the only one here who doesn't think he's a particularly bad singer at all?

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 19:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Probably not.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 19:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

So, I just saw the vid for this again -- does the boy have some sort've endorsement deal with 7-11 or something? He's hanging out in the parking lot of a 7-11....WEARING A 7-11 T-SHIRT, for chrissakes!

Back in my day, only acne-speckled stoners in Iron Maiden t-shirts hung out in 7-11 parking lots. MUST THEY TAKE EVERYTHING FROM US? Damn kids....

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 15 November 2002 08:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...

This thread makes me very, very happy.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:31 (twenty years ago) link

shitty-mcshit

I do love this adjective, Dan! good show!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:38 (twenty years ago) link

Clipse and J. Timberlake... now how heavy is that?

uh... not heavy at all?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:43 (twenty years ago) link

haha

― That famous guy who won a prize (nordicskilla), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:45 (twenty years ago) link

I like how no one said boo about the fucking-horrible-mommy-make-it-stop badness of the Aaron Carter single.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:50 (twenty years ago) link

This thread is the nadir of human civilisation.

Justin is with McDonalds now. Hate him and you are fighting the golden arches. There can be no victory.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, this thread is frustrating. I hate it.

― billstevejim, Monday, 12 January 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago) link

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

Ba-ba-ba-dah-dah, I'm hatin' it.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago) link

:-D

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:59 (twenty years ago) link

I spewed out all that above vitriol before I was seduced by the slithering groove of "Cry Me A River" alas.

I do still hate "Like I Love You", though.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:49 (twenty years ago) link

This thread is great, but I still love the tune.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago) link

I don't really hate it either, I just felt a need to invoke the Mcdonalds jingle.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago) link

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