I really, really dislike Ultragrrl [edited title - mod]

I actually intened at SPIN in 1989, and my then-boss (if you can call her a boss, being that I wasn't getting paid or anything....just ripping off tons of SPIN "sportswear" and albums that Legs McNeil wasn't going to touch with a ten foot barge pole) had a similar sort've aesthetic as Ultragrrrl. She'd fawn and swoon over bands like the Wonder Stuff, Ned's Atomic Dustbin, EAT, Kingmaker, etc. etc. I mean, I liked these bands as well -- but evidently for very different reasons (while I thought he was dead cool at the time, I harbored no desire to get in Miles Hunt's trousers). She later moved onto another job that dealt more with TV/movies and applied the same sort've approach there (and seemingly completely lost interest in music).

In re-reading this, I'm realizing that I'm sounding like a pompous, sexist rock snob (I know...SHOCKAH!). Liking bands primarily because you want to sleep with them just seems kinda shallow and stupid to me.

Moreover, the whole premise of her book (not that I've read it, mind you) just sort've smacks of striving to make the right IMPRESSION. It's like those Rolling Stone guides from about a decade back (remember them? They were sized like a compact disc). They'd espouse albums seemingly solely for folks who just wanted to have the "right" discs on their shelves, so when people came over, they'd say: "Ooh, Gerald, you're so ecclectic! You have LL Cool J AND Slint!"

Then again, I haven't read her book: Maybe she talks more about resources with which to find out about new and or obscure music, as opposed to musicians who are really cute and shaggable. But I doubt it.

A Too Much Joy song comes to mind.

On VH1 right now, SPIN's Sarah "Ultragrrrl" Lewitinn just called Eminem's "Lose Yourself" one of "the greatest pop songs....EVER!"

I didn't actually say I wanted to shoot her out of a poop canon, but I did say she made me want to blow up the world....which is still more or less true. That said, this thread did devolve into a discussion about her arguable "chunky troll legs," which seemed a bit offsides.

No, it doesn't. I think the girls in BOND are entirely sexy and shaggable and whatnot, but I'd sooner suck a car's muffler than actively listen to their music.

Aren't you confusing liking a band and liking their music?

Well, you don't have to listen to their music. Who are BOND? I thought you were talking about the film franchise for a moment.

Jes sayin'.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

There are lots of idiots on ILM.
-- Cool Hand Luuke (showroo...), June 8th, 2005.

(Hahaha Nick Sylvester to thread to agree/disagree with that?)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001ZDKAQ.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000C3ICL.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Isn't liking the music of a band the primary reason for liking a band?

and really, faster than anyone. thats what everyone's reacting to. its an interesting phenomenon, how generation y is becoming the voice of the establishment, rather than something that is traditionally mistrusted. [see: raised by bees for some more thoughts on this]

i did an interview with her for rockpile and she was nothing but friendly and incredibly insightful. in fact, she had a whole lot to say and i had to edit it down to fit the word count. perhaps ill post the entire interview to my blog.

boo, jealousy makes you uglier.

furthermore, isnt a bit hypocritical for guys to hate on her because of this behavior? its not as if men have never made some sort of suggestive comments regarding female musicians. as much as the men of ILM like to pretend they're sitting around being a stoic, meaningful and shit, its not like they're any better.

of course, this brings out another interesting point, a whole 'nother can of worms, about why its acceptable for girls to talk about male figures in music in terms of their sexuality/attractiveness and why its considered predatory when men do it towards women. but im not any sort of qualified academic/feminist/etcetcetc to really discuss this.

hahaha bbbut we're wrangling with Thee Important Musical Issues of Our Tyme!

My friend pulled me over to an SL DJ night, cause she had to drop off a demo, cause evidently SL's trying to start a label??

What the fuck does race have to do with this?

I don't begrudge her "strong work ethic", etc. I just wish the things she had to say -- regardless of how blindingly intelligent she might be -- had a bit more substance to them.

Turning this into a gender battle is (a) so predictable and (b) so boring.

And as for the issue of a double standard.. I don't think there is one. I'm sure no one like's Annie's music soley because she's 'hot,' and if they did I'm sure it would be frowned upon, much like liking The Killers or whatever because you want to fellate Brandon Flowers is frowned upon.

and yet, thats what it is. so quit trying to deny it.

The hot parties are in Soho now?