Metal doesn't seem to do great debuts as often as other music does. For every Bergtatt there's a hundred callow early fumblings that later flowered into darkness
― imago, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:21 (three years ago) link
Black Sabbath and Metallica might disagree
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:22 (three years ago) link
There's always a few that get lucky
― imago, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:23 (three years ago) link
Plenty of debut albums have done well in the history of ILM metal poll
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:26 (three years ago) link
Any cracked the top 3?
― imago, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:28 (three years ago) link
the 1st Korn album was so popular it launched a whole sub-genre of copycats that dominated rock in the last half of the 90s/1st half of the early 00s
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:29 (three years ago) link
Not sure about top 3 but the 1st Ghost album must've been top 10.
but a decent amount must have made top 20
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:30 (three years ago) link
And Candlemass, Celtic Frost, Cryptopsy, Death, Dismember, Dissection, Emperor, Entombed, Exodus, Godflesh, Immolation, Incantation, Katatonia, Mayhem, Mercyful Fate, Necrophobic, Slayer, Suffocation, etc.
― pomenitul, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:32 (three years ago) link
Not counting reconfigurations or combinations of existing onces, like Waste Of Space Orchestra
pomenitul, those bands are all well old!
― imago, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:32 (three years ago) link
As are Ulver I guess. FINE
I think it's harder to land a telling debut punch now though maybe!
― imago, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:33 (three years ago) link
Is there any older genre for which this doesn't hold true?
― pomenitul, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:34 (three years ago) link
mediocre post-punk?
― imago, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:35 (three years ago) link
Kill 'Em All far from the best Metallica imo.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Friday, 12 March 2021 00:35 (three years ago) link
Oh most definitely, but imago didn't stipulate that the debut had to be the discography highlight.
― pomenitul, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:37 (three years ago) link
How did we compile this list? So glad you asked. We looked at the top 5,000 MetalSucks articles to receive traffic between June 1, 2018 and September 30, 2020 and calculated the total number of pageviews for each post in which the name of the band was contained in the headline. We then added all those pageviews together to come up with a total number for each band. These numbers include headlines that feature a key member of the band — so, for example, any headline with the name “Dave Mustaine” in it was counted towards Megadeth. Any headline which contained the name of the band and the name of a prominent member of that band — e.g., “Megadeth’s Dave Mustaine” — was only counted once.
Doesn't really sound like the most reliable methodology
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Friday, 12 March 2021 00:37 (three years ago) link
Previous Metal Poll EOY Results Thread
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:37 (three years ago) link
I know plenty of people who like Kill Em All best of all their albums. Quite a lot of Iron Maiden albums think their debut is best.
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:39 (three years ago) link
Do you?
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Friday, 12 March 2021 00:40 (three years ago) link
My fave Maiden is indeed their debut actually, lol
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:41 (three years ago) link
Kill Em All my 3rd fave metallica
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:42 (three years ago) link
"Sanctuary" rocks but obv they got better when they became the Ramones of prog.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Friday, 12 March 2021 00:42 (three years ago) link
Closest thing to a debut in the top 3 of our metal poll 2008-2019 is the Myrkur debut, albeit it was preceded by quite a lengthy EP
― imago, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:44 (three years ago) link
Pre poll era but Mastodon and Isis made 2 great debut albums
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:47 (three years ago) link
As did Jesu and Alcest
and the 1st Torche album is still their best imo
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:48 (three years ago) link
their 2nd album won our first poll of course
Was Le Secret the Alcest debut? That is my favourite thing of theirs.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Friday, 12 March 2021 00:49 (three years ago) link
yes
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:50 (three years ago) link
my fave of theirs too
But I don't think there were too many debuts last year that got any coverage due to lack of touring, its true.
Baroness debut album (after 2 EPs) did well too iirc
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:51 (three years ago) link
Yuri Gagarin (SWE) at #1, calling it now
― Iannis Xenakis double fisting Cutty Sark (Tom Violence), Friday, 12 March 2021 01:19 (three years ago) link
anal stabwound needs to win, not just most promising debut by a middle school aged kid locked down in connecticut of 2020 but of ALL TIME
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Friday, 12 March 2021 04:01 (three years ago) link
someone of that age becoming that good at any one of guitar, bass, vocals, drumming and composition is hard to imagine let alone all five
― imago, Friday, 12 March 2021 10:16 (three years ago) link
A collective TOO LOW for all the amazing things that placed yesterday that I voted for in higher positions: Boris, Dark Buddha Rising, Couch Slut, Victory Over the Sun, Hail Spirit Noir, Duma.
Listening to Mamaleek again now (which I also voted for) - it's so good and weird. Those anguished vocals screaming 'have mercy' against the little chilled out bluesy piano on Whites of the Eyes.
― tangent x (tangenttangent), Friday, 12 March 2021 11:07 (three years ago) link
^^^I am led to believe this person has also now heard Aktor
― imago, Friday, 12 March 2021 13:22 (three years ago) link
It is so. It was very very lovely.
― tangent x (tangenttangent), Friday, 12 March 2021 13:31 (three years ago) link
Shall we get started then?
Its a split shift with pom today
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 13:36 (three years ago) link
A reminder that you can subscribe to Spotify Results Playlist which has a huge number of 3 followers. So we might not bother doing it in future polls.
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 13:38 (three years ago) link
It's kind of impressive how Bandcamp has become The Metal Platform
― imago, Friday, 12 March 2021 13:42 (three years ago) link
^
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Friday, 12 March 2021 13:44 (three years ago) link
I think we're all listening, just not to the Swedish slime.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Friday, 12 March 2021 13:45 (three years ago) link
And how if you like something enough to listen to it more than 3 times, you have to buy it!
― imago, Friday, 12 March 2021 13:45 (three years ago) link
Before I start, it's time for you all to predict your 'locks' for the top 20. I want to see who guesses the hivemind best.
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 13:49 (three years ago) link
Stoked 4 Poppy
― imago, Friday, 12 March 2021 13:51 (three years ago) link
#20
Sumac – May You Be Held
299 points, 10 votes
https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a0004879527_10.jpg
https://sumac.bandcamp.com/album/may-you-be-held
Few bands clad a soft heart in tensile steel quite like Sumac. All of the abstruse metal trio’s four albums over the last five years have been ever more imposing, like self-perpetuating obstacle courses in hell. Ricocheting between formidable doom and barbed improvisation, Sumac sound preternaturally belligerent. But the group’s core is the spiritual yearning of Aaron Turner, who since his later days in Isis has often attempted to repurpose metal’s malevolent mechanics for personal transcendence. Sumac’s May You Be Held might be the closest he has ever come. For a vertiginous hour, Sumac pirouette around riffs and collapse into bedlam, hurtle through feedback and snap back into lockstep. As violent as they may sometimes seem, these songs are timely psalms of perseverance and rebirth, weaponized for whatever comes next.Three years ago, Sumac traveled to Tokyo to work with Japanese experimental godhead Keiji Haino. That experience not only led to two intriguing collaborative LPs but also challenged Sumac to stretch their parameters; their subsequent full-length, 2018’s colossal Love in Shadow, disrupted their formerly relentless force with unmoored instrumental explorations and extreme dynamics. May You Be Held indulges this tension like a favorite new habit. The metal sections are mightier, tightened with pneumatic precision. The improvisations, meanwhile, are more adventurous, pushing harder against the boundaries of the songs themselves. The uncanny hybrid suggests something Peter Brötzmann’s Machine Gun band might have made in a different setting, or something his son, Caspar, might have eventually found with his own Massaker. Where those splenetic groups decried our failures, Sumac’s tirades ponder fixing them, too.
Three years ago, Sumac traveled to Tokyo to work with Japanese experimental godhead Keiji Haino. That experience not only led to two intriguing collaborative LPs but also challenged Sumac to stretch their parameters; their subsequent full-length, 2018’s colossal Love in Shadow, disrupted their formerly relentless force with unmoored instrumental explorations and extreme dynamics. May You Be Held indulges this tension like a favorite new habit. The metal sections are mightier, tightened with pneumatic precision. The improvisations, meanwhile, are more adventurous, pushing harder against the boundaries of the songs themselves. The uncanny hybrid suggests something Peter Brötzmann’s Machine Gun band might have made in a different setting, or something his son, Caspar, might have eventually found with his own Massaker. Where those splenetic groups decried our failures, Sumac’s tirades ponder fixing them, too.
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/sumac-may-you-be-held/
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 12 March 2021 14:00 (three years ago) link
Nechoch/Panop, Liturgy, Elder, Slift, ImTriumph, Paysage, Oranssi, Ulcerate, at least one Serpent Column LP, and I have my fingers crossed for Lowrider.
― Iannis Xenakis double fisting Cutty Sark (Tom Violence), Friday, 12 March 2021 14:00 (three years ago) link
and ^ obvs
― Iannis Xenakis double fisting Cutty Sark (Tom Violence), Friday, 12 March 2021 14:01 (three years ago) link