well as far as I know, they are basically a UK SST
Does that apply to SRD as well? They carry (or carried) loads of reputable labels for the UK and Ireland market.
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 17:56 (three years ago) link
I like Wrong, One, The Worldhood of the World as Such, and Dance of the Headless Bourgeosie a lot.
which other ones would i like if i like those?
― "Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 18:38 (three years ago) link
the 85-88 material (which exists in several confusing formats) is largely killer if slightly cruder than what came later, and Why Do They Call Me Mr Happy? (which falls in the middle of the span you just listed) is pretty damn great. Their last LP All Roads Lead to Ausfahrt is more straightforward than usual but still contains maybe a half-dozen killer jams.
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 20:49 (three years ago) link
^ cosign
The 1988 EP/mini albums would be a good place to go - The Day Everything Became Nothing and Small Parts Isolated And Destroyed, which were released on one CD called The Day Everything Became Isolated And Destroyed.
re Southern distribution, can't say I know anything about it - I have just seen a lot of griping over recent years from old punk bands/labels/fans about Southern's business practices, I think it mostly started since John Loder died.
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 21:51 (three years ago) link
This is probably beyond the scope of a Nomeansno thread but what is the deal with possessing the masters - do Southern (or SST for that matter) have contractual/legal (on paper) ownership of the tapes and thus the right to refuse to license it or does having physical possession of someone's masters just automatically afford you that right? I guess what I'm asking is if an artist stole their masters back would they be in trouble? Heh.
― Shaidar Logoff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 12:40 (three years ago) link
I'd be down to mount a rescue operation
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 13:00 (three years ago) link
Didn't The Replacements do that once? One of them distracted the receptionist while another scooted off into the back to liberate the tapes. Might have been someone else tbf.
― judged and found wanting by the steve hoffman forums (Matt #2), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 13:16 (three years ago) link
well, the geniuses got drunk and went in to steal their masters to throw them in the river but ended up just grabbing some safety duplicate masters and some tapes that were other bands not theirshttps://medium.com/cuepoint/the-replacements-decadent-food-fight-and-ridiculous-record-heist-of-1987-210434506391
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 13:28 (three years ago) link
Call it a reconnaissance mission I guess.
― judged and found wanting by the steve hoffman forums (Matt #2), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 13:40 (three years ago) link
At least with the SST situation, a few bands that had had the wherewithal to lawyer up got their masters back in the late ’90s: Sonic Youth and the the Meat Puppets were the biggies, and there have been a few others over the years. Dinosaur Jr got their stuff back; Soundgarden’s SST debut was remixed and remastered on Sub Pop a couple of years ago. But I don’t know if anyone knows the state of masters that remain in GG’s possession, especially since he moved the label to Texas. Alternative Tentacles used vinyl to master their reissue of the Dicks’ Kill from the Heart, which was deleted really early by SST and the masters were gone. Loads of artists have claimed rights reverted, so you will find some random things on streaming now like Scott Colby’s Slide of Hand that are nearly all vinyl rips. And even some of SST’s CD releases were mastered from vinyl rather than the original tapes (I’m pretty sure Jack Brewer has claimed this was the case for Paganicons).
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:01 (three years ago) link
i hate greg ginn so much, what a shit state of affairs for such a great catalog
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 15:03 (three years ago) link
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
― I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 22:22 (three years ago) link
I recently learned that Dukowski wrote "My War" specifically about Ginn
sorry for digressing but yeah FUCK what a shame it is
― I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 22:23 (three years ago) link
especially since he moved the label to Texas
Convoy of U-Hauls filled with unsold Zoogz Rift and Leaving Trains vinyl trundling through New Mexico.
Have only ever heard bad things about Southern from numerous people I know who've fallen foul of their business practices. John Loder wasn't much better either I don't think, so don't go imagining he was the ethical giant of legend.
― judged and found wanting by the steve hoffman forums (Matt #2), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 22:44 (three years ago) link
going back through the catalog, so many of their best songs (state of grace, the river, now, give me the push, the tower, the phone call, etc) are fucking great hooky hard rock songs more than anything else, certainly not punk in any meaningful sense
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Friday, 19 March 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link
I was very confused when I bought Dance of the Headless Bourgeoisie being told they were progressive punk and being very confused.
they're great songs but....only "I'm an Asshole" really felt like 'punk'. but I guess punk is an ethos so it's cool, and they're cool.
― "Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 March 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
I was very confused did you get that, i was confused, i was confused
The Tower is an absolute middle-aged punk dad singalong anthem, judging by the first NoMeansNo show I saw in 2000 at any rate.
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, 20 March 2021 17:52 (three years ago) link
This upcoming weekend, we are having our biggest sale...maybe ever?! Help us free up shelf space for Nomeansno....$1 CDs - $10 LPs pic.twitter.com/XW83Va9M5o— AlternativeTentacles (@AltTentacles) April 12, 2021
― "The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 14:04 (three years ago) link
oooooooooh
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 14:08 (three years ago) link
I’m really looking forward to firming up my Kerr-era NMN collection. I have the two biggies (Wrong & the 2013 reissue of TDEBI&D) but would relish a chance to revisit You Kill Me/Sex Mad and maybe finally get into 0+2=1. Kicking myself for not having bought every copy of Mama I ever saw, for any price; I could retire at the prices even the 2013 reissues are fetching now. ... hopefully this reissue series will include it, although with NMN you never know. As I recall it’s “quirkier” than the Kerr-era material but I’d be more than willing to give it another shot. Lucked into a copy of the “Fear Anger Betrayal Hatred” EP recently & I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Very much embryonic, but it has the spirit.
― "The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 14:45 (three years ago) link
I only own Dance... and Young and Cuddly on CD and 0+2=1 on LP. What I'm really hoping for is an LP of Worldhood that includes everything from the CD....a boy can dream
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 14:50 (three years ago) link
I had also forgotten that I had bought the very slim NMN book “Going Nowhere” a while back, & hadn’t read it. This morning, while looking for something else I’d misplaced, I found it! Serendipitously, as I’m going thru a slight NMN revival at the mo.
― "The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 18:17 (three years ago) link
released 2022: https://sheffieldtapearchive.bandcamp.com/album/nomeansno-live-bradford-1988
― StanM, Sunday, 21 August 2022 16:09 (one year ago) link
they also have The Fall & Crass & lots of other 80s audience tapes - I don't know about selling them though
― StanM, Sunday, 21 August 2022 16:15 (one year ago) link
https://alternativetentacles.com/product-tag/dad-revenge/
― an incomprehensible borefest full of elves (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 2 December 2022 20:47 (one year ago) link
"At long last, after many rumors… we can confirm that the NOMEANSNO catalog will be returning to Alternative Tentacles Records." (just in case that "the return of Nomeansno" got your hopes up - they remain retired)
― StanM, Friday, 2 December 2022 22:24 (one year ago) link
i'm still about that. I never came close to completing my Nomeansno collection
― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Friday, 2 December 2022 22:28 (one year ago) link
TiredTiredTiredowaiting
― The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 23:52 (eleven months ago) link
BIG DICK
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 23:54 (eleven months ago) link
Yes, but Big Dick’s tired of waiting for these reissues.
― The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 23:56 (eleven months ago) link
Oral/visual history incoming and funds needed to help get it printed up:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ww3/nomeansno
(Supported stuff from PM Press before, they're legit.)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2023 15:58 (nine months ago) link
https://alternativetentacles.com/product/virus-77-wrong-pre-order
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 October 2023 15:54 (eight months ago) link
FINALLY
― The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 13 October 2023 16:04 (eight months ago) link
$40 international shipping? Fuck off! I’ll wait till an EU distro gets some.
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Friday, 13 October 2023 16:50 (eight months ago) link
Some nights I think Small Parts Isolated And Destroyed is the best album ever made by anyone.
― It was on a accident (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 19 May 2024 05:24 (four weeks ago) link
those WRONG pre-orders are finally getting pressedhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/C6_wi78RUbo/?igsh=dG4xMm96Y282ZTE4
― peace, man, Sunday, 19 May 2024 11:39 (four weeks ago) link
give me cd box set
― brimstead, Sunday, 19 May 2024 14:24 (four weeks ago) link
give me just a little push
― massaman gai (front tea for two), Sunday, 19 May 2024 14:27 (four weeks ago) link