The perspective in the US will be different I think the concept of the Plastic Paddy might just be too painful to confront/ admit to.
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 16 April 2021 23:41 (three years ago) link
ha I had to Google that phrase, that's a good one
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 16 April 2021 23:45 (three years ago) link
Other kid walked into the room and asked why I was listening to the "Lord of the Rings" soundtrack.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 April 2021 00:16 (three years ago) link
I think there's a bit of difficulty disentangling the Pogues from all the horseshit Irish pride mook shit like Dropkick Murphys
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, April 16, 2021
oh man... i guess i can kinda piece this out intellectually but it just makes no kind of sense.
great acts fade in stature over years all the time (we keep getting older, hot bands stay the same age etc etc) but being forgotten seems far less cruel a fate than being misremembered like this.
anyhoo, thanks for reminding me about the doc. I was cautiously optimistic and then wandered off waiting for it to drop
there's no pain, there's no more sorrow,they're all gone, gone in the years babe
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 April 2021 01:30 (three years ago) link
After a Grateful Dead concert at night I was in this dudes car with my gf. He was going way too fast around curves and had “fiesta” on the stereo
― calstars, Saturday, 17 April 2021 01:36 (three years ago) link
xpost I'm not saying that's what I think wrt the Pogues, I like them a lot, but I just know a lot of people that kind of are like peace out on any Irish type stuff because of...I dunno...Boston I guess
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 April 2021 02:02 (three years ago) link
and truly it has very little to do w the Pogues or even actual Ireland
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 April 2021 02:05 (three years ago) link
ugh boston
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 April 2021 02:22 (three years ago) link
feel like somehow this is down to matt damon and tom brady. has anything worthwhile come out of boston since the cars?
Pixies? Mission of Burma? Marky Mark?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 April 2021 03:56 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBvkmWDjsYc
― Jurassic parkour (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 17 April 2021 13:53 (three years ago) link
lifetime pass for Mission of Burma
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 April 2021 14:54 (three years ago) link
Here's hoping the doc does revive the band's rep and influence, then, beyond Fairtyale.
― glumdalclitch, Saturday, 17 April 2021 15:31 (three years ago) link
Hey, don't talk shit about Boston! "Worthwhile" is in the eye of the beholder but there's been lots of great stuff from here since The Cars, jeez.
As for The Pogues, love 'em all through Shane's tenure - and the odds and sods box set is the gift that keeps on giving. It's interesting to observe the ups and downs of different music's reputation - old things are constantly rediscovered and made the new hotness, then time moves on again and down it goes in terms of appeal. I'm specifically thinking of the post-punk era and how in the early 00s those bands were name-checked constantly, how it faded in the 10s but it seems to be coming back. At least from my purview.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 17 April 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link
blame insufferable patritos fans lol
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 April 2021 23:25 (three years ago) link
documentary is good btw. i didn't even hate johnny depp.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 April 2021 23:27 (three years ago) link
one thing I did not know: that “streets of sorrow/birmingham six” was treated by the authorities as a “fuck tha police”-level threat to order
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 18 April 2021 00:12 (three years ago) link
oh cool I see this is on Hulu, that's my Saturday night
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 18 April 2021 00:34 (three years ago) link
no interviews of any pogue bandmates was weird and disappointingI wasn’t crazy about it but some good vintage clipsPoor man is basically nosferatu now, what is his actual ailment? Liver disease? aftermath of stroke?
― buzza, Monday, 19 April 2021 04:26 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYY_EaCPGFw
― Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Monday, 19 April 2021 09:12 (three years ago) link
that “streets of sorrow/birmingham six” was treated by the authorities as a “fuck tha police”-level threat to order
Yeah, that came out as the Birmingham Six case was finally working toward eventual exoneration. They were all released in '91. It was a huge political cause.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 19 April 2021 13:28 (three years ago) link
xpost I'm not saying that's what I think wrt the Pogues, I like them a lot, but I just know a lot of people that kind of are like peace out on any Irish type stuff because of...I dunno...Boston I guess― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, April 16, 2021 10:02 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglinkand truly it has very little to do w the Pogues or even actual Ireland― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, April 16, 2021 10:05 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, April 16, 2021 10:02 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, April 16, 2021 10:05 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink
lets not forget the Bennigans, which my partner immediately referenced the first time they heard me put on a Pogues record
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 19 April 2021 14:21 (three years ago) link
"the Bennigans", jfc, idk where that came from
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 19 April 2021 14:22 (three years ago) link
Um, us neither...
― Mark G, Monday, 19 April 2021 14:58 (three years ago) link
ha fair i meant Bennigans the (now defunct i think?) restaurant chain often thrown as a reference for annoying US fake-irishness
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 19 April 2021 15:24 (three years ago) link
https://bennigans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/BENN_2021SPD_Website_Banner.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 April 2021 15:28 (three years ago) link
Ah.
Thx
― Mark G, Monday, 19 April 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link
I think there's a bit of difficulty disentangling the Pogues from all the horseshit Irish pride mook shit like Dropkick Murphys Except they don't sound anything alike. I was in Dublin a few years ago and went on a musical pub crawl like all the tourists do. Our hosts —who could really play — absolutely trashed the Dropkick Murphys repeatedly (and justifiably). When the Q&A session came, I nervously asked about Shane and his standing among traditional Irish musicians like themselves. They had nothing but respect for him.
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:53 (three years ago) link
Yes, I know what the Pogues and Dropkick Murphys don't sound alike
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:07 (three years ago) link
guy was probably relieved to have a tourist asking him about literally any band other than the dropkick murphys
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:25 (three years ago) link
@UMS just to clarify, no one thinks you are endorsing this POV! you're just reporting the news :)
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 00:05 (three years ago) link
watched this, really took me out a bit. obviously it's julien temple so it's got it's quirks but i'd rather his eccentricities than the standard straight to streaming formula music docs of which there are so many.
to the irish discussion, was a great example of what tom d. was talking about wrt plastic paddies in the u.s., the film felt so connected with ireland on so many levels, how deeply shane believed in his irishness, the pain and the hurt and the bloodshed and the poetry and the literature and his ancestors and the countryside itself, all of it. here it's just a dodgy "celtic" tattoo around the bicep of a bouncer and dyed-green beer and green mardi gras beads on st. paddy's day.
it really broke my heart to see him now. just completely slack, no expression, barely upright, methodically downing glass after glass of white wine. he would say things that made sense, sometimes were even funny or insightful, but it's almost like he's trapped in his own body -- some kind of lucid coma.
the parts where the sinn fein leader is talking to him are so uncomfortable. he wants something from shane that just isn't there anymore.
you could see it in the eyes of some of the people he talked to - the woman who was his biographer (i think?) and even ilx's beloved boaby gillespie. saw little moments where he would roll his eyes - "okay what should we talk about then?" after shane tells him to quit interrogating him about moving to london, little sad, knowing flashes in his eyes.
his family history and childhood was gripping. so much hurt and pain and alcohol, just gallons and gallons and gallons. getting fed booze at 6 years old by his aunt, how was he supposed to turn out.
i liked his sister the best, i think she understands him. to have such a gift and such a sensitivity to understanding people - to be able to really *write* that into a song. what a gift. and then to see someone drown that gift, year and year, blot it all out, extinguish whatever talent god had given him. really heartbreaking.
i think it hits a bit closer, because i've always been a social drinker, a fun drunk, i like talking to people. but in the last year sometimes i get the impulse to just deaden everything.
at the end when he says he wishes he could write songs again and play pool. it's so clear that's never going to happen again.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link
yeah watched this today and all the contemporary bits with him were extremely difficult to watch. the shots where he would raise a glass to take a drink, it took me a few times to realize that they werent in extreme slow motion, that was just how he moved. crushing to see. would have scared me off drink altogether if i'd seen something like that in my teens.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 20:13 (three years ago) link
also fuck johnny depp, what a little sycophant ghoul wannabe he is, found his new hunter s. thompson to cheer on into the grave
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 20:15 (three years ago) link
yeah i wont soon forget the part he rang that bell and was like "i defy any bastard to shane isnt sharper than the rest of them put together!" or whatever, meanwhile shane is across the table struggling to breathe
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 20:20 (three years ago) link
the worst
theatrically laughing hysterically at every little thing shane managed to mumble out
i found the parts where he was being interviewed by his own wife...um....interesting?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link
yeah, no idea whats going on there.
its gonna be on my mind for a while, i can say that for sure. by the end of it all i could think of was the body of work that will never exist, songs he'll never write, poems never published, the memoir we'll never read. in the tribute at the end, it was brutal to watch him barely able to croak out a few lines of "Summer in Siam" next to Nick Cave & knowing theyre the same age.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 21:02 (three years ago) link
Still need to see this, but I've always wondered how much of Shane's current state is due strictly to drink and not that in combination with all of the other substances he's ingested over the years.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 21:09 (three years ago) link
I haven’t seen it yet either, but tbh the mere fact of a non-dead Shane in 2021 is a bit of an astonishment. I thought he was a goner when he got de-Pogued in the early ‘90s.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 22 April 2021 00:57 (three years ago) link
He briefly got re-Pogued. At least, I saw the band in ... 2007 (?) with him and they were great.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 April 2021 01:04 (three years ago) link
afaik he never left the reformed band
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 22 April 2021 01:21 (three years ago) link
^ he was in nine years of the original run, fourteen years of the reunion
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 22 April 2021 01:23 (three years ago) link
When the Q&A session came, I nervously asked about Shane and his standing among traditional Irish musicians like themselves. They had nothing but respect for him.
I had a similar experience years ago in Manchester, as a college student. There was an Irish folk-rock band my friends and I used to go see a lot, a real hot-shit group full of "national champion" musicians. We got to know them a bit and had some drinks with them. They had a few Pogues songs in their repertoire, and I was a huge Pogues fan, so I asked the band what they thought of them. First they all laughed about what terrible players most of the guys in the Pogues were. But then their lead singer said something like, "But y'know it doesn't really matter if you can't play when you've got Shane MacGowan's songs." They all nodded.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 22 April 2021 01:31 (three years ago) link
johnny depp's new irish accent is tied with Bono appearance as the worst thing in this.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 22 April 2021 08:52 (three years ago) link
I remember Jimmy Tarbuck giving big props to Shane, just ahead of his appearance on a chat show they were both on.
― Mark G, Thursday, 22 April 2021 11:58 (three years ago) link
just watched this last nighton the one hand in general Julien Temple drives me up the wall bc his docs are like overdecorated xmas treesbutCrock of Gold is weirdly beautiful in its way. it‘s sad & stark but maintains the intent of celebrating him with his flaws, & works really well as genuinely sincere reminder of his godgiven talent for music & writinglike it felt like the kind of thing that might be put together about other great poets or writershim saying if he was handed a full syringe today he’d still shoot it & his biographer’s genuinely shocked reaction (and his rationale “a reward for being a good boy”) - i mean, god if you are looking for a real snapshot of addiction, there it isthe footage of nick cave & shane singing summer of siam together made me bawl
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 May 2021 18:19 (three years ago) link
this movie, whoa. what a story. reliable narrator crisis. or not? i think the crisis is only in my head.
― Hunt3r, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:00 (three years ago) link
yeah with Shane who fuckin knows
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:55 (three years ago) link
i love the moment when MacGowan is talking to Bobby Gillespie about the coronet solo in Fairytale of New York & he says “you know it right” and Gillspie looks at him SON blankly to the point where clear that he doesnt but also it’s unclear if Gillespie even knows that Fairytale is a song, a Pogues song, what even is a song or who is this person talking to me rn
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 02:11 (three years ago) link
*SO not SON oops