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― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 April 2021 15:28 (three years ago) link
Ah.
Thx
― Mark G, Monday, 19 April 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link
I think there's a bit of difficulty disentangling the Pogues from all the horseshit Irish pride mook shit like Dropkick Murphys Except they don't sound anything alike. I was in Dublin a few years ago and went on a musical pub crawl like all the tourists do. Our hosts —who could really play — absolutely trashed the Dropkick Murphys repeatedly (and justifiably). When the Q&A session came, I nervously asked about Shane and his standing among traditional Irish musicians like themselves. They had nothing but respect for him.
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:53 (three years ago) link
Yes, I know what the Pogues and Dropkick Murphys don't sound alike
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:07 (three years ago) link
guy was probably relieved to have a tourist asking him about literally any band other than the dropkick murphys
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:25 (three years ago) link
@UMS just to clarify, no one thinks you are endorsing this POV! you're just reporting the news :)
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 00:05 (three years ago) link
watched this, really took me out a bit. obviously it's julien temple so it's got it's quirks but i'd rather his eccentricities than the standard straight to streaming formula music docs of which there are so many.
to the irish discussion, was a great example of what tom d. was talking about wrt plastic paddies in the u.s., the film felt so connected with ireland on so many levels, how deeply shane believed in his irishness, the pain and the hurt and the bloodshed and the poetry and the literature and his ancestors and the countryside itself, all of it. here it's just a dodgy "celtic" tattoo around the bicep of a bouncer and dyed-green beer and green mardi gras beads on st. paddy's day.
it really broke my heart to see him now. just completely slack, no expression, barely upright, methodically downing glass after glass of white wine. he would say things that made sense, sometimes were even funny or insightful, but it's almost like he's trapped in his own body -- some kind of lucid coma.
the parts where the sinn fein leader is talking to him are so uncomfortable. he wants something from shane that just isn't there anymore.
you could see it in the eyes of some of the people he talked to - the woman who was his biographer (i think?) and even ilx's beloved boaby gillespie. saw little moments where he would roll his eyes - "okay what should we talk about then?" after shane tells him to quit interrogating him about moving to london, little sad, knowing flashes in his eyes.
his family history and childhood was gripping. so much hurt and pain and alcohol, just gallons and gallons and gallons. getting fed booze at 6 years old by his aunt, how was he supposed to turn out.
i liked his sister the best, i think she understands him. to have such a gift and such a sensitivity to understanding people - to be able to really *write* that into a song. what a gift. and then to see someone drown that gift, year and year, blot it all out, extinguish whatever talent god had given him. really heartbreaking.
i think it hits a bit closer, because i've always been a social drinker, a fun drunk, i like talking to people. but in the last year sometimes i get the impulse to just deaden everything.
at the end when he says he wishes he could write songs again and play pool. it's so clear that's never going to happen again.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link
yeah watched this today and all the contemporary bits with him were extremely difficult to watch. the shots where he would raise a glass to take a drink, it took me a few times to realize that they werent in extreme slow motion, that was just how he moved. crushing to see. would have scared me off drink altogether if i'd seen something like that in my teens.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 20:13 (three years ago) link
also fuck johnny depp, what a little sycophant ghoul wannabe he is, found his new hunter s. thompson to cheer on into the grave
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 20:15 (three years ago) link
yeah i wont soon forget the part he rang that bell and was like "i defy any bastard to shane isnt sharper than the rest of them put together!" or whatever, meanwhile shane is across the table struggling to breathe
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 20:20 (three years ago) link
the worst
theatrically laughing hysterically at every little thing shane managed to mumble out
i found the parts where he was being interviewed by his own wife...um....interesting?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link
yeah, no idea whats going on there.
its gonna be on my mind for a while, i can say that for sure. by the end of it all i could think of was the body of work that will never exist, songs he'll never write, poems never published, the memoir we'll never read. in the tribute at the end, it was brutal to watch him barely able to croak out a few lines of "Summer in Siam" next to Nick Cave & knowing theyre the same age.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 21:02 (three years ago) link
Still need to see this, but I've always wondered how much of Shane's current state is due strictly to drink and not that in combination with all of the other substances he's ingested over the years.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 21:09 (three years ago) link
I haven’t seen it yet either, but tbh the mere fact of a non-dead Shane in 2021 is a bit of an astonishment. I thought he was a goner when he got de-Pogued in the early ‘90s.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 22 April 2021 00:57 (three years ago) link
He briefly got re-Pogued. At least, I saw the band in ... 2007 (?) with him and they were great.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 April 2021 01:04 (three years ago) link
afaik he never left the reformed band
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 22 April 2021 01:21 (three years ago) link
^ he was in nine years of the original run, fourteen years of the reunion
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 22 April 2021 01:23 (three years ago) link
When the Q&A session came, I nervously asked about Shane and his standing among traditional Irish musicians like themselves. They had nothing but respect for him.
I had a similar experience years ago in Manchester, as a college student. There was an Irish folk-rock band my friends and I used to go see a lot, a real hot-shit group full of "national champion" musicians. We got to know them a bit and had some drinks with them. They had a few Pogues songs in their repertoire, and I was a huge Pogues fan, so I asked the band what they thought of them. First they all laughed about what terrible players most of the guys in the Pogues were. But then their lead singer said something like, "But y'know it doesn't really matter if you can't play when you've got Shane MacGowan's songs." They all nodded.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 22 April 2021 01:31 (three years ago) link
johnny depp's new irish accent is tied with Bono appearance as the worst thing in this.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 22 April 2021 08:52 (three years ago) link
I remember Jimmy Tarbuck giving big props to Shane, just ahead of his appearance on a chat show they were both on.
― Mark G, Thursday, 22 April 2021 11:58 (three years ago) link
just watched this last nighton the one hand in general Julien Temple drives me up the wall bc his docs are like overdecorated xmas treesbutCrock of Gold is weirdly beautiful in its way. it‘s sad & stark but maintains the intent of celebrating him with his flaws, & works really well as genuinely sincere reminder of his godgiven talent for music & writinglike it felt like the kind of thing that might be put together about other great poets or writershim saying if he was handed a full syringe today he’d still shoot it & his biographer’s genuinely shocked reaction (and his rationale “a reward for being a good boy”) - i mean, god if you are looking for a real snapshot of addiction, there it isthe footage of nick cave & shane singing summer of siam together made me bawl
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 May 2021 18:19 (three years ago) link
this movie, whoa. what a story. reliable narrator crisis. or not? i think the crisis is only in my head.
― Hunt3r, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:00 (three years ago) link
yeah with Shane who fuckin knows
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:55 (three years ago) link
i love the moment when MacGowan is talking to Bobby Gillespie about the coronet solo in Fairytale of New York & he says “you know it right” and Gillspie looks at him SON blankly to the point where clear that he doesnt but also it’s unclear if Gillespie even knows that Fairytale is a song, a Pogues song, what even is a song or who is this person talking to me rn
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 02:11 (three years ago) link
*SO not SON oops
when Shane says quit interrogating me and Bobby half rolls his eyes and says "well what do you want to talk about?" is priceless
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 02:21 (three years ago) link
yes that was gold
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 03:03 (three years ago) link
I was more shocked by Shane's condition in a BBC documentary made ten (15? 20?) years ago. There are clips of it in Crock of Gold: in one memorable bit Shane gets lost in a pub, wandering out from the bar into the corridor and keeps shouting "Where's the pub? Where's the pub?" That was a real wrencher, but having seen it, he didn't seem too bad in this one.
― mahb, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 07:07 (three years ago) link
What's Bobby Gillespie doing in this anyway?
― Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 09:28 (three years ago) link
Lol, seriously. What the fuck does he have to do with this story? Save it for the Stuart Adamson (RIP) doc.
We started this last night. It's really good (sad) so far, but we were wondering if Shane had had a stroke. I guess it turns out that in 2015 he suffered a fall in the studio and injured his pelvis. I'm assuming he blew off medical advice to take it easy or whatever. Hence the wheelchair.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 12:04 (three years ago) link
Pretty sure Irish folk music is not a genre Primal Scream have latched on to yet. Unless someone knows better.
― Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 12:55 (three years ago) link
yeah I don't know, he just kind of shows up
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:04 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceMxRE6ViIQ
― Number None, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:38 (three years ago) link
I'd say him and Shane are just "mates" in the same way he and Depp are
― Number None, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:39 (three years ago) link
Gaun yersel' Boab!
― Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:46 (three years ago) link
I read it as an attempt to have Shane interviewed not by traditional interviewer / documentarian types, but by different-yet-complementary cultural figures.
Having, say, Bob Dylan interview him would have been a surprising choice, but we as the audience wouldn't be any more enlightened or informed
― Frumious Cumberbatch (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:52 (three years ago) link
And (not to be That Guy) but the cornet solo in question is from "A Rainy Night in Soho."
I point this out only because one could make a little doggerel about how (in McGowan's telling) he fired Elvis Co. for wanting an oboe solo on "Soho" and he said "No. Go."
― Frumious Cumberbatch (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:59 (three years ago) link
ahh thx curse my bad memory
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:03 (three years ago) link
I was reading a bit & Temple decided since MacGowan is a pretty ornery interview in general, that to get a variety of conversations he’d gather friends/famous fans/ people he’s sat down & talked to before i suppose in lieu of footage of macgowan telling temple to fuck off repeatedlywhich … doesnt sound like the worst idea …
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:19 (three years ago) link
Rainy nights and fairy tales.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 December 2021 03:18 (two years ago) link
Underrated band. So many great songs.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 26 December 2021 03:38 (two years ago) link
Still need to read Here Comes Everyone
― Santa’s Got a Brand New Pigbag (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 December 2021 03:50 (two years ago) link
Someone loaned me that book and I read it despite never having heard a Pogues album. Fearnley is a good writer who, for some reason, has a tic of saying "I lifted my accordion into the air and shook it as the song's final chords crashed to a halt" every time he describes their stage show. I was amazed upon finishing the book to learn that Shane MacGowan was neither dead nor institutionalized. There are interesting appearance from Costello and Strummer too, including the story of how Fearnley would up marrying the latter's girlfriend.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 26 December 2021 14:53 (two years ago) link
Oh, it's Here Comes Everybody, a Joyce reference.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 26 December 2021 14:55 (two years ago) link
Yeah, sorry I misstyped.
― Heatmiserlou (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 December 2021 15:07 (two years ago) link
been listening to Rum, Sodomy & the Lash for the first time in forever, how'd I go without "A Pair of Brown Eyes" for so long?
― sloop johnnin' skater (geoffreyess), Saturday, 15 January 2022 03:18 (two years ago) link
Also: "Navigator"
― OP Taylor (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 15 January 2022 12:24 (two years ago) link
a pair of brown eyes is incredible - one of my alltime favoritesmore beautiful and desolate than a Hank Williams song imo:So drunk to hell I left the placeSometimes crawling sometimes walkingA hungry sound came across the breezeSo I gave the walls a talkingAnd I heard the sounds of long agoFrom the old canalAnd the birds were whistling in the treesWhere the wind was gently laughing
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 15 January 2022 17:20 (two years ago) link
That James Fearnley memoir was really good.I really regret not getting to see them when I was hearing about them in the early days
― Stevolende, Saturday, 15 January 2022 18:57 (two years ago) link
Funnily enough I looked at the new Cat Power covers album in the shop today and the only thing that piqued my interest was that it includes A Pair Of Brown Eyes.
― Duke, Saturday, 15 January 2022 20:27 (two years ago) link