2021 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees POLL

And as Greil Marcus chimes in every year, what about the Shangri-Las?

this, this and this. also this.

oh, and also: every song grant hart ever wrote is each, on its own, better than, and probably responsible for, the entire foo fighters catalog.

I actually prefaced Tina Turner's name with "One or two of you might know..." but nothing. It's possible someone did know her and just didn't speak up, but when I think about it, where would a 12-year-old know Tina Turner from? Her radio presence is limited to a certain kind of MOR/Boomer/whatever station, and I don't think kids that age listen to radio of any kind. Her celebrity presence has been minimal for years but I don't know, does she still present at award shows or show up on talk shows? On the other hand, I have to believe the one kid who knew a Go-Go's song probably knows her.

Seems like, aside from Angela Bassett's career, the biopic's lasting legacy has been Ike memes

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/b1/7c/c0/b17cc06d56f6c2bd26f9a2737bb65948.jpg

I was also thinking about the infamous reference Jay-Z made in “Drunk In Love”, but forgot how oblique it actually was (for a 21st century kid that is).

ike & tina was a hacky reference for rappers for decades, glad that it's waned

oh, and also: every song grant hart ever wrote is each, on its own, better than, and probably responsible for, the entire foo fighters catalog.

― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, May 12, 2021 1:39 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's kind of depressing to think that the entirety of 80s U.S. punk, hardcore, post-punk, "This Band Could be Your Life" type bands are going to get uniformly ignored

nah they'll all get in as Early Influencers after Blink-182 are inducted in 10 years

oh, and also: every song grant hart ever wrote is each, on its own, better than, and probably responsible for, the entire foo fighters catalog.

I totally get not having heard of Carole King, Todd Rundgren or The Go-Go’s, but Tina Turner?

I didn't even know any of their songs when *I* was in the seventh grade, and I would've known Tina Turner only from a commercial or a movie I saw on TV. Outside of the Beatles (which I didn't listen to until late in high school), I don't think I really paid attention to anything 'historical' until college.

I actually remember the first time I read about Tapestry - it was some magazine listing the best-selling albums of all-time, and I was like "what's Tapestry?" It seemed very odd that this ordinary-looking person (sitting in a window sill with a cat) could sell as many records as all this other stuff that either had some flashy-looking concept or some larger-than-life personality.

It's a little deflating to say this, but I imagine LL Cool J would be well-known because of his thoroughly mediocre movie career. I guess he's kind of like Eric Clapton where it's a little bewildering when you find out he's done all this great, groundbreaking stuff but you'd never know from the massive amount of underwhelming work he's done in the decades since.

Also, I think Dionne Warwick was probably better known for her psychic infomercials when I was a kid. That was kind of weird finding out she did all this class stuff decades earlier.

ll cool j also hosted the grammys, for whatever that's worth

I know him solely because of his penchant for big ole butts

I'm a non-parent who learned very early in my teaching career that the window of history for that age group is measured in months. 30 years ago, I was constantly surprised by people they didn't know; the wheel has turned a few dozen times since then. They wouldn't even know the group that sang the song about moving like a Jagger.

(Come to think of that, I can't remember their name either.)

(I asked them about LL Cool J, too, and either they didn't know him or were just bored of the whole topic at that point.)

(Ha--didn't realize that song is 10 years old now.)

"Because I Got High" is almost 20 years old, which kinda blows my mind

Jesus, I didn't even know there was/is a "NCIS: Los Angeles." I doubt they'd know that show, NCIS in general struck me as something everyone's parents would watch.

"Because I Got High" is almost 20 years old, which kinda blows my mind

― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Wednesday, May 12, 2021 4:00 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

ah fuck, i was gonna accomplish so much in that time...

I mean...unless you don't accept that rap is the equal of rock, LL Cool J absolutely should be a slam dunk in the same way that the 50s rock n' roll guys were

I would out of hand dismiss his post Mama Said career either there's good stuff there

i have no problem with Cool James being in, I don't care about "he's not rock", since they use that genre tag loosely to begin with

"4,3,2,1" belongs in some sort of hall of fame, maybe horse racing

so magnetic as a performer

pic.twitter.com/SREjBpSG5a

— Todd Rundgren (@toddrundgren) May 12, 2021

_oh, and also: every song grant hart ever wrote is each, on its own, better than, and probably responsible for, the entire foo fighters catalog.

― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, May 12, 2021 1:39 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink_

it's kind of depressing to think that the entirety of 80s U.S. punk, hardcore, post-punk, "This Band Could be Your Life" type bands are going to get uniformly ignored

Re: Grant Hart

You will never see a band signed to SST, 4AD, or Factory in this bullshit organization

I’m still amazed that Eric B. and Rakim even made it to the shortlist.

CBS produces television for people with incredibly low standards. It’s the formula perfect by Les Moonves

I might be way off here, but I think Husker Du will be in there one day--especially if someone like Dave Grohl advocates for them. (Maybe Black Flag, too.)

PIXIES

Replacements, as well.

(I know they’re not on one of those aforementioned labels, but they’re part of that 80s scene)

I truly can’t see Pixies or Replacements getting in. They don’t appeal to the organization’s core demos, and they never had blockbuster sales

No way in hell is Black Flag getting in

Though the bad vibes surrounding who gets inducted and invited and who doesn't would be amazing

At least those ’80s bands have a better chance than ’90s faves like Pavement, Royal Trux, Sebadoh…

The MC5 aren’t in, so as long as that’s the case, I don’t see the Replacements or Hüsker Dü getting in (vis-a-vis extremely influential bands with negligible sales). In a pinch, I could maybe see the Pixies getting in...as an “early influence” (on Nirvana).

(xposts) Not today, no. But as the cliche goes, things never change until one day they do. The people who vote now are not the same people who voted (or met) 20 years ago; they know who Husker Du is. The Grammys were laughed at as recently as when they gave that heavy metal award to Jethro Tull. Soon after that, probably out of embarrassment, they seemed to settle into nominations that were at least connected to reality. I expect the HOF will eventually be forced to look at some of the more egregious omissions (I would count Husker Du and the Replacements as such)--because enough voters speak up, or Dave Grohl speaks up, or someone else says something in an acceptance speech--and that sets something in motion. It happened with the Stooges.

Or someone will wear a T-shirt at the right moment; there's probably a secret push going on right now for Rudimentary Peni after Sound of Metal.

Trotsky Icepick, Zoogz Rift, Painted Willie - 2027 inductees

Sonic Youth could blow this thing wide open.

Somehow they came up for me today... let me think.

loooollll master of treacle

I'm going say for the one millionth time Blue Oyster Cult should be in

‘OG punks for the win!’ The Go-Go’s on their Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2021-05-12/the-go-gos-rock-hall-of-fame-induction

Think it’s nice that Dionne got in on Burt’s birthday.

um, wait

Did anybody mention yet that there will be not one but two Germs in the RRHOF now? This year is definitely the covert vindication of L.A. punk for the Go-Go’s alone, but Pat Smear sneaking in there too is a lagniappe.

Also it would be wonderful if the Go-Go’s are a bellwether for the HOF honoring 80s/90s indie rock, but I fear it’s not to be. Amidst the voting body it appears “disco sucks” is alive and well. Still. After 40 fucking years! If gold and platinum sellers like Chic and Chaka can’t get in, what hope is there for the Dü?

The people who vote now are not the same people who voted (or met) 20 years ago

A lot of them are. This is the exact problem.

Did anybody mention yet that there will be not one but two Germs in the RRHOF now?

Me! Charlotte Caffey told Rolling Stone that they should play "Forming" during the all-star jam w/Belinda singing and doing things with peanut butter.

(xpost) The half-dozen people I know who vote have all been added in the last few years, and my assumption is that that's just the tip of the iceberg. I'm pretty sure there was one year in there where they added a few hundred voters. So there's undoubtedly carryover, yes, but I have to believe there's a big difference over 20 years.

this fucking guy

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/awards/9571422/todd-rundgren-rock-hall-interview/

"I'm a big Dionne Warwick fan, but name me one Dionne Warwick rock n' roll song," he explained earlier in 2021, citing one of this year's other nominees. "While I'm aware of Fela Kuti, I can't name a single musician who's ever cited him as a principal influence. Year by year it makes even less sense, so why would I be more excited about it or suddenly change my mind? Why don't they just start inducting blues guys? Why do they have to go to Dionne Warwick or Mary J. Blige?"