oh, and also: every song grant hart ever wrote is each, on its own, better than, and probably responsible for, the entire foo fighters catalog.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:32 (three years ago) link
I totally get not having heard of Carole King, Todd Rundgren or The Go-Go’s, but Tina Turner?
I didn't even know any of their songs when *I* was in the seventh grade, and I would've known Tina Turner only from a commercial or a movie I saw on TV. Outside of the Beatles (which I didn't listen to until late in high school), I don't think I really paid attention to anything 'historical' until college.
I actually remember the first time I read about Tapestry - it was some magazine listing the best-selling albums of all-time, and I was like "what's Tapestry?" It seemed very odd that this ordinary-looking person (sitting in a window sill with a cat) could sell as many records as all this other stuff that either had some flashy-looking concept or some larger-than-life personality.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:33 (three years ago) link
It's a little deflating to say this, but I imagine LL Cool J would be well-known because of his thoroughly mediocre movie career. I guess he's kind of like Eric Clapton where it's a little bewildering when you find out he's done all this great, groundbreaking stuff but you'd never know from the massive amount of underwhelming work he's done in the decades since.
Also, I think Dionne Warwick was probably better known for her psychic infomercials when I was a kid. That was kind of weird finding out she did all this class stuff decades earlier.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:44 (three years ago) link
ll cool j also hosted the grammys, for whatever that's worth
― the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:50 (three years ago) link
I know him solely because of his penchant for big ole butts
― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:53 (three years ago) link
I'm a non-parent who learned very early in my teaching career that the window of history for that age group is measured in months. 30 years ago, I was constantly surprised by people they didn't know; the wheel has turned a few dozen times since then. They wouldn't even know the group that sang the song about moving like a Jagger.
(Come to think of that, I can't remember their name either.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:55 (three years ago) link
(I asked them about LL Cool J, too, and either they didn't know him or were just bored of the whole topic at that point.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:56 (three years ago) link
(Ha--didn't realize that song is 10 years old now.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:57 (three years ago) link
"Because I Got High" is almost 20 years old, which kinda blows my mind
― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link
Jesus, I didn't even know there was/is a "NCIS: Los Angeles." I doubt they'd know that show, NCIS in general struck me as something everyone's parents would watch.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:01 (three years ago) link
― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Wednesday, May 12, 2021 4:00 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
ah fuck, i was gonna accomplish so much in that time...
― the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:05 (three years ago) link
I mean...unless you don't accept that rap is the equal of rock, LL Cool J absolutely should be a slam dunk in the same way that the 50s rock n' roll guys were
I would out of hand dismiss his post Mama Said career either there's good stuff there
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:06 (three years ago) link
i have no problem with Cool James being in, I don't care about "he's not rock", since they use that genre tag loosely to begin with
― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:10 (three years ago) link
"4,3,2,1" belongs in some sort of hall of fame, maybe horse racing
― the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:10 (three years ago) link
so magnetic as a performer
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:11 (three years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/SREjBpSG5a— Todd Rundgren (@toddrundgren) May 12, 2021
― Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf (CBTL) stan (morrisp), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 23:04 (three years ago) link
_oh, and also: every song grant hart ever wrote is each, on its own, better than, and probably responsible for, the entire foo fighters catalog.― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, May 12, 2021 1:39 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink_it's kind of depressing to think that the entirety of 80s U.S. punk, hardcore, post-punk, "This Band Could be Your Life" type bands are going to get uniformly ignored
― Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 23:14 (three years ago) link
Re: Grant Hart
You will never see a band signed to SST, 4AD, or Factory in this bullshit organization
― beamish13, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 23:46 (three years ago) link
I’m still amazed that Eric B. and Rakim even made it to the shortlist.
― beamish13, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 23:47 (three years ago) link
CBS produces television for people with incredibly low standards. It’s the formula perfect by Les Moonves
― beamish13, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 23:51 (three years ago) link
I might be way off here, but I think Husker Du will be in there one day--especially if someone like Dave Grohl advocates for them. (Maybe Black Flag, too.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:04 (three years ago) link
PIXIES
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:05 (three years ago) link
Replacements, as well.
― Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf (CBTL) stan (morrisp), Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:06 (three years ago) link
(I know they’re not on one of those aforementioned labels, but they’re part of that 80s scene)
― Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf (CBTL) stan (morrisp), Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:10 (three years ago) link
I truly can’t see Pixies or Replacements getting in. They don’t appeal to the organization’s core demos, and they never had blockbuster sales
― beamish13, Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:11 (three years ago) link
No way in hell is Black Flag getting in
Though the bad vibes surrounding who gets inducted and invited and who doesn't would be amazing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:21 (three years ago) link
At least those ’80s bands have a better chance than ’90s faves like Pavement, Royal Trux, Sebadoh…
― Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf (CBTL) stan (morrisp), Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:22 (three years ago) link
The MC5 aren’t in, so as long as that’s the case, I don’t see the Replacements or Hüsker Dü getting in (vis-a-vis extremely influential bands with negligible sales). In a pinch, I could maybe see the Pixies getting in...as an “early influence” (on Nirvana).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:28 (three years ago) link
(xposts) Not today, no. But as the cliche goes, things never change until one day they do. The people who vote now are not the same people who voted (or met) 20 years ago; they know who Husker Du is. The Grammys were laughed at as recently as when they gave that heavy metal award to Jethro Tull. Soon after that, probably out of embarrassment, they seemed to settle into nominations that were at least connected to reality. I expect the HOF will eventually be forced to look at some of the more egregious omissions (I would count Husker Du and the Replacements as such)--because enough voters speak up, or Dave Grohl speaks up, or someone else says something in an acceptance speech--and that sets something in motion. It happened with the Stooges.
― clemenza, Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:29 (three years ago) link
Or someone will wear a T-shirt at the right moment; there's probably a secret push going on right now for Rudimentary Peni after Sound of Metal.
― clemenza, Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:34 (three years ago) link
Trotsky Icepick, Zoogz Rift, Painted Willie - 2027 inductees
― Master of Treacle, Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:57 (three years ago) link
Sonic Youth could blow this thing wide open.
― Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf (CBTL) stan (morrisp), Thursday, 13 May 2021 01:00 (three years ago) link
Somehow they came up for me today... let me think.
― Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 May 2021 01:08 (three years ago) link
loooollll master of treacle
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 May 2021 01:11 (three years ago) link
I'm going say for the one millionth time Blue Oyster Cult should be in
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 May 2021 01:13 (three years ago) link
‘OG punks for the win!’ The Go-Go’s on their Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2021-05-12/the-go-gos-rock-hall-of-fame-induction
― Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf (CBTL) stan (morrisp), Thursday, 13 May 2021 02:51 (three years ago) link
Think it’s nice that Dionne got in on Burt’s birthday.
um, wait
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 13 May 2021 05:30 (three years ago) link
Did anybody mention yet that there will be not one but two Germs in the RRHOF now? This year is definitely the covert vindication of L.A. punk for the Go-Go’s alone, but Pat Smear sneaking in there too is a lagniappe.
― thewufs, Thursday, 13 May 2021 05:50 (three years ago) link
Also it would be wonderful if the Go-Go’s are a bellwether for the HOF honoring 80s/90s indie rock, but I fear it’s not to be. Amidst the voting body it appears “disco sucks” is alive and well. Still. After 40 fucking years! If gold and platinum sellers like Chic and Chaka can’t get in, what hope is there for the Dü?
― thewufs, Thursday, 13 May 2021 05:59 (three years ago) link
The people who vote now are not the same people who voted (or met) 20 years ago
A lot of them are. This is the exact problem.
― thewufs, Thursday, 13 May 2021 06:03 (three years ago) link
Did anybody mention yet that there will be not one but two Germs in the RRHOF now?
Me! Charlotte Caffey told Rolling Stone that they should play "Forming" during the all-star jam w/Belinda singing and doing things with peanut butter.
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 13 May 2021 06:28 (three years ago) link
(xpost) The half-dozen people I know who vote have all been added in the last few years, and my assumption is that that's just the tip of the iceberg. I'm pretty sure there was one year in there where they added a few hundred voters. So there's undoubtedly carryover, yes, but I have to believe there's a big difference over 20 years.
― clemenza, Thursday, 13 May 2021 12:41 (three years ago) link
this fucking guy
https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/awards/9571422/todd-rundgren-rock-hall-interview/
"I'm a big Dionne Warwick fan, but name me one Dionne Warwick rock n' roll song," he explained earlier in 2021, citing one of this year's other nominees. "While I'm aware of Fela Kuti, I can't name a single musician who's ever cited him as a principal influence. Year by year it makes even less sense, so why would I be more excited about it or suddenly change my mind? Why don't they just start inducting blues guys? Why do they have to go to Dionne Warwick or Mary J. Blige?"
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 13 May 2021 16:23 (three years ago) link
We clowned on that interview way upthread (tho that quote could always use more clowning).
― Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf (CBTL) stan (morrisp), Thursday, 13 May 2021 16:28 (three years ago) link
XP ...and some folks are even whiter than him!
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 13 May 2021 16:28 (three years ago) link
Ah, got it. As I posted I thought, wait, this surely has already been posted?
xp
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 13 May 2021 16:31 (three years ago) link
Never change, Todd. Have to find that one XTC quote about him.
― Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 May 2021 16:45 (three years ago) link
For all the years that had passed since his arrogance rubbed the Band and Badfinger the wrong way, little had changed in his modus operandi. Even those visitors who loved the location were treated with veiled disdain by their host. “His people skills are like Hermann Goering’s,” said Andy Partridge, for whose band XTC Rundgren produced the brilliant Skylarking (1986). “I remember talking briefly to a couple of the Psychedelic Furs,” says John Holbrook. “They were like, ‘That fucking guy, we’re never going to work with him again.’ With Todd it was always like, ‘That sucks, let me do it.’”Hoskyns, Barney. Small Town Talk (p. 289). Hachette Books.
― Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 May 2021 16:50 (three years ago) link
Take up the RundgrenSuch a twat as this becomes the HOFBut here shows much amiss
― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 May 2021 16:51 (three years ago) link
i assumed that picture of him dressed like luke skywalker playing a toy space guitar was a joke until i saw he is the one who tweeted it
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 13 May 2021 16:56 (three years ago) link