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and Rapid! his stuff for Ruff Sqwad is godlike

Keith McD, Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:52 (twenty years ago) link

i'm with you boys, target, skepta and rapid are the producers to watch, sometimes i think rapid more than anybody, i love those big grandiose, mournful producions. i think the rapid tune toby is talking about is lethal injection, ruff squad have a vocal of it themselves, armours got one, maybe some others, although rapid has a new one i don''t know the name of yet which is equally stately.
that roll deep track, i love music slow or fast, but i wish i would of listenend in class, i've only ever heard ruff squad play that, the version on twanboc was taped off a ruff squad set. i was listening to crazy titch last night and he sounds ready to blow, he's not exactly subtle, but he's got personality, got energy, it made me laugh last night, he goes, 'big up 50 cent, he's trying to be crazy titch, it won't work though...' he also bigged all the british rappers, which was nice of him, he always sounds such a lovely boy, although he had quite a fearsome reputation in his younger days. erm, more stun guns for 2004, thats my prediction. bzzzzzztt

luka vandross, Saturday, 3 January 2004 10:36 (twenty years ago) link

knightz of the roundtable are on deja right now until two, one of my favourite crews, i think nasty are on at 4-6 and east co are on 8-10, so if you're on london you can catch up on everything today today
92.3fm

.:.l.:., Saturday, 3 January 2004 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

cool luke, thanks for the tip. is there a deja schedule anywhere on the web? i tried to find one a while ago but couldn't.

toby (tsg20), Saturday, 3 January 2004 13:29 (twenty years ago) link

there's one in the heronbone archive i think, although natrally they're out of date a week after you put them up, i nicked it from the rwd message boards. monday and saturday are the days to listen in. monday is crew day wth meridian nasty ruff squad and tu tuff and east co, start listening in the afternoon.

lukle, Sunday, 4 January 2004 10:56 (twenty years ago) link

yeah hopefully i'm going to manage to make my computer record it for me while i'm at work.

slsk ppl - i can't recommend the ruff squad set on deja from 22 dec enough, i'm sharing it, d/l it now!

toby (tsg20), Sunday, 4 January 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago) link

toby what is yr username?

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 4 January 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago) link

skepta.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 4 January 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago) link

y'all forgetting Skepta's cohort: Terra Danjah. Check out his mix of DTI for absolute 'strings of death' merkery.

J2K's 'Heat In The Street' is cool, but he can't better Pharoahe Monch over the Agent Orange beat.

Just heard SLK with Flirta D on RawMish9000; them boys got so excited about who was going to spit next that they broke the mic?! Plus they're all inventing mad noises to place in their rhymes (similar to D.E.E), revving cars, gunshots and quite heartwaringly, Incredible Levy-style high-pitched breath intakes. Ooooahh Oooooahh (Sun 6-8pm, for future reference)

tinman, Monday, 5 January 2004 00:26 (twenty years ago) link

Terra Danjah's production on "Cock Back" is great, and I also really like his track with Shola Ama and D.E.E. - "Contagious" I think. Another one of those delirious whirring grimette tunes.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 5 January 2004 04:19 (twenty years ago) link

I just downloaded something which is supposedly a Skepta remix/mash-up of "Are You That Somebody?" and it almost sounds like a grimy take on eighties' freestyle.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 January 2004 04:48 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah that's what all the grimette tunes sound like! They're great!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 5 January 2004 04:56 (twenty years ago) link

jess - i'm always in the obvious room and my username begins with 'c'. msg me to be added to my list w/extra slots. the file you want is in the "new stuff" folder.

toby (tsg20), Monday, 5 January 2004 07:40 (twenty years ago) link

tim how are you getting this stuff in australia, just soulseek? and is there some particular sites that are on it as far as new grime goes?

glenny g2003 (glenny g2003), Monday, 5 January 2004 09:57 (twenty years ago) link

i wanna hear you say URRRRRGH URRRRRGH then i wanna hear you say SERIOUS SERIOUS

pr, Monday, 5 January 2004 10:27 (twenty years ago) link

"tim how are you getting this stuff in australia, just soulseek? and is there some particular sites that are on it as far as new grime goes?"

Ha ha I wish! I'm on a mac so have to make do with Limewire which never has anything except Dizzee. No I just listen to 1xtra radio as much as I can. Independance.com helps for tune IDs though.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 00:23 (twenty years ago) link

That's also my M.O., 'cept for the kind folx from ILM who have stunned me with their generosity.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 00:25 (twenty years ago) link

stun me with your generosity!

dav¡d (Cozen), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 00:48 (twenty years ago) link

big boy producers:

davinche
bionix
skepta

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 02:10 (twenty years ago) link

also, check out:

Terra Danjah feat. Sadie & Kano - So Sure

more grimette biznazz, luuvverly

tinman, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 02:52 (twenty years ago) link

cozen send me an email and i'll see what i can do.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 08:04 (twenty years ago) link

lovely, thanx.

glenny g2003 (glenny g2003), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 09:41 (twenty years ago) link

are there, or will there be, any regional variants on grime? or is it/will it remain a london thing?

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 10:18 (twenty years ago) link

There's macabre unit from somewhere in the midlands i think, they have a big tune called 'Taurus'.

peckham rye, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 10:37 (twenty years ago) link

DJ Oddz is a grimey Cardiff boy... I think his recent 'Strung Up' did pretty well. But he's working with London folk now.

Jason J, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 11:20 (twenty years ago) link

yeah macarbre unit have made a little name for themselves although they're not very good. co defendants are from bedford or somehwere like that and are actually fairly good. luton is quite big for grime i think. regional variations exist within london to a certain extent. at least, at lot of the sutff i've heard from north london sounds like demon boyz or gunshot or something. antix from NAA, the wittiest MC in south's biggest crew sounds like he's originally from the midlands, maybe nottingham, is that midlands or more northish?

also, check out:
Terra Danjah feat. Sadie & Kano - So Sure

more grimette biznazz, luuvverly

-- tinman (thismortalsoun...), January 6th, 2004.


did you hear that last night on deja? heard it for the first time myself last night. terre danja's got his own thing. he's very understated. anyone hear what he did to take them out? took all the bombast out, made it quite subtle. i like him, he's different. dj scholar playred the mysterious roll deep track (dizzee/breeze/jamakabi if i remember right)
and a couple of new rapid productions, watch out for the skeleton riddim and they reckon lethal injection will be in the shops soon, with pied piper voals on the bside.

lex luka, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 11:47 (twenty years ago) link

i like Breeze when he says 'used to get bullied by the white boys/but now you don't wanna fight boys'.

peckham rye, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

are there, or will there be, any regional variants on grime?

There's DJ Gomes in Amsterdam, making tracks and playing out...

JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

"I'm the Hackney kid, not from Hackney but I hack knees!"

NJ Fever aka Nasty Jack aka The Nasty Gasher!

tinman, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago) link

'think you're a badman cos you got a gun lyric
don't make me tell you a suck your mum lyric'
demon

lukle, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago) link

meridian - "don't fuck around": not so sure i like the slooooowing down thing, but i do like the little kid-shouting-the-title-sample.

skepta/dee/jme - "serious thugs": sounds like some g-funk ripping rnb track circa 95 aka great. ooer ooer.

mark one - "life support": still a sucker for those metropolis spaceship hums after all these years...

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

where did you hear don't fuck around jess?
i didn't think that tune got noticed by anyone, it's fairly old. i was sort of thinking off that, and tunes like that when i said north london keeps making tracks that sound like gunshot or demon boyz.

what you're calling serious thugs is what me and those boys are calling thuggish ruggish, i think it sounds like gfunk as well, and it has a bone thugs and harmony sample on it

lukle, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i thought they might be the same track...one of the perils of going by mp3 tags...

i heard "don't fuck around" via the independance website...sadly it's where i have to hear most of this stuff these days.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

(better than nothing, obv)

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

thuggish ruggish/serious thugs is pretty much the entire 'thuggish ruggish bone' by bone thugz song cut up a little bit. Quite a strange departure by Skepta really. Fucking love it, although it's made me realise how very few lyrics dee has, i swear i've heard that 'heads get mangled then dangled to the side just like i wear my kangol' on about 5 different recordings. Who is Jamie?

peckham rye, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago) link

j.me, he is called jamie, but a lot of the time people get confused and call him j.m.e. but it's splet j.me. he's the biggest MC in meridian. he's the one goes
SERIOUS
on all of skeptas tunes.

he's got a lyric something along the lines of
'SERIOUS, don't say SERIOUS, i say SERIOUS, you could never say SERIOUS, i'm too SERIOUS' the way he says serious, is really the justification for his entire existance, cos it is really very good, the way he says that although other than that he's not that great. you can hear him, skepta and the rest of meridian on deja on mondays.

d.e.e does actually have quite a lot of lyrics, i swear, he's even got a big long narrative one about escaping the feds down the a13 into Barking, GANGSTA! but he does use that heads get mangled one quite a lot.

that's my real email address up there. jess and tim finney, if you want to send an email i could send you over a couple of tapes, anyone really but you two especially cos you write about garage and live in faraway lands so you deserve 'em

luke>, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

jess: it's bone thugs!

prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:21 (twenty years ago) link

oh shit nevermind there's my attentionspan outed

prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

re: Wileys new album - adam blade 21st post - 15 Nov 2003 18:11
i dunno wat ur on bout Icerink is a heavy tune! [reply]    [Complain about this post]
 

                    
re: Wileys new album - two step for ever 460th post - 17 Nov 2003 12:35
Just shows how good your knowledge and understanding of garage music and production is. I could fart a better beat out of my ass mate.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago) link

Jus' got sent some music on disk of MarkOne/Plasticman productions. No MC but awesome! Also some 2nd II none. TerrorRhythm or HyperDub don't have 'em. Best..I think 'em the next ones. Jess likes 'em, RIGHT? San Francisco doesn't have much a scene or at least I haven't met 'em yet.. I don't even know the track names of what I was anonymously sent.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 05:59 (twenty years ago) link

i'll be sharing a good recording of nasty crew's deja set from monday this evening...

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 09:40 (twenty years ago) link

oi toby i didn't listen to that show but my mate took it as evidnce that d double has been kicked out of NASTY. whatd'ya'reckon. did you hear that?

lukle, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 10:40 (twenty years ago) link

Jammer did imply in his exit interview that some of the MCs were on his side - maybe D.E.E. was too loyal to Jammer?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 11:58 (twenty years ago) link

there is some nasty crew mix cd in rhythm division mixed by marcus nasty that has dee on it, and it has DEE in it. it has only just come out i think so.....

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

i've only heard 5 mins of it so far and i'm at work now, but i should be able to have a listen later and let you know...

what's that cd called ambrose? did that nasty show one ever come out??

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:53 (twenty years ago) link

ok i found it on their website:

ARTIST : N.A.S.T.Y PRES. MARCUS NASTY 1165
£ 6.80

TITLE : N.A.ST.Y MIX CD
LABEL : WHITE LABEL
MIXED BY MARCUS NASTY, MAC 10 & SYKIK WITH MC'S KANO, GHETTO, SHARKY MAJOR, D DOUBLE E, FOOTSIE & MONKEY

definitely looks worth a punt. i guess it isn't the old nasty show thing cos jammer was on that, wasn't he?

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:59 (twenty years ago) link

It would be criminal if The Nasty Show never saw release. My favourite single piece of music of '03 by far.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:10 (twenty years ago) link

theres a track 24 minutes in which is like todd edwards grime, whats this?

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

I don't have the set on the computer I'm on. Does it have any female vocals or do you mean Edwards as in cross-hatched noises?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:19 (twenty years ago) link

"we were always"?

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

dizzee - stop dat
kano - what have you done
kano - boyz luv girls
wiley - wot do u call it (or his ENTIRE album)
dizzee riko or kano - ice rink

i hate doogz so im not gonna mention anything by him cos hes too irritating and gimmicky. im sure other people could mention more than me.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 30 December 2004 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

simon's blog entry for today has a lot more than 10 steve -- go there and look.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 30 December 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

can someone please explain to me what sinogrime is????

manoamano, Friday, 31 December 2004 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Grime with this Chinese sounding percussion on them, like Wonder's What, as used by Dizzee Rascal on Respect Me.

JoB (JoB), Friday, 31 December 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

oh ok. why call it sinogrime though?!

just heard some audio of d double e MCing over jungle, and he sounded 359084958396895068396839056490584590386908690368903683906890383906839 times better than when trying to spit at slower tempos or trying to do more hip hop style MCing. amazing!!!!!

manoamano, Friday, 31 December 2004 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link

that doesnt surprise me. most grime MCs need to stop trying to make hip hop tracks.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 31 December 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

but it's the only way they'll make any cash...

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Friday, 31 December 2004 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, well, thats a sad fact, but id rather hear early roll deep tracks then something like let it out, personally. or diz's i luv u compared to that new thing on 1xtra, lets go to work, which is jsut terrible!!!

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 31 December 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

it's just called oriental grime.

scg, Friday, 31 December 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

http://s19.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2JUU50B036NZ12B4N2136NJWTV

theres the d-double on jungle audio from radio. i dunno how anyone can hear that and then think that he should be making hip hop tracks. he sounds so incredible and right at home on 160bpms.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 31 December 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i'd go along with that. i got about ten minutes of d.e.e sharky and stormin over jungle. mac 10 just started playing it towards the end of a set a couple of years ago and they're all amazing on it, stormin more than anyone, he smashes it. i don't know what it is with those slow tempoes, but it does always sound rubbish, unless your name's kano, he sounds alright on a slower beat, otherwise its terrible as a general rule.

l///, Saturday, 1 January 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
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DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Snakes On A Plane!

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rlw_ZGwWhw

how has this aged for yall half a decade later??

ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 07:39 (thirteen years ago) link

lol grime

srsly dudes pastiche aesthetic + amiable nihilism (Display Name), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 08:15 (thirteen years ago) link

how has this aged for yall half a decade later??

pretty well tbh! another song that was played at the protests so the kids haven't forgotten it either.

we have "pow! 2011" doing the rounds now too (with jme, wiley, kano, p money, 2 face, ghetts & chipmunk)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSqQsbenUvQ

my favourite was always "forward 2" though - flirta d's mouth <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1zxEi6MDlA

lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 08:20 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-5c80-7bAM

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Fwd 2011 isn't very good really, someone needs to take Kano and Chipmunk to the knackers yard really. I'd argue that grime probably means more and is more relevant in Britain in 2011 than it was in 04-05, ie premature internet hype phase.

Also, Flockaveli is basically a grime album.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link

wish there was more Run The Roads tbh

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link

like i always enjoyed grime, but not nearly enough to do the actual homework on cobbling all the rando singles and YouTubes and radio shows that fueled it.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Does Spotify work in the US yet? There are a load of grime playlists on there, although that's obviously a bit selective.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link

i wish the bit from Lord of the Decks w/ d double e riding his moped around Newham was on youtube. classic material

missingNO, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link

"how has this aged for yall half a decade later?"

High points of grime (of which "Pow" was one) still sound really good to me.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Admittedly I probably (like with jungle, garage, well anything UK continuum related) have way way too many discs which lean more toward the mediocre than the sublime, but that's sort of how this works isn't it?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm really excited by stuff going on here atm.
Marger & Rival were set to be a major team, - as demonstrated by this absolute boy of a first set on Logan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPu9qfB0EIg

but now Margs has gone ego nuts & has basically told Rival to go home and get his fuckin shinebox- "sent to the shop, sent to the shop, Rival use to get sent to the shop". The dub also featured a little send for MIK, who's certainly got a reply. It's not likely Rival will reply- he seems really upset on Twitter.

Instrumentals are v. v. strong at the minute. I love the Spartan meme. the newest remix basically made me dash all my stuff across the room:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrfR2KajeY0

these are all amazing in sets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsEiFZjcvr0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V7LTQ-fd8c

Oil Gang, Butterz & Pitch Controllers are now doing the releases thing properly, which is great to see.

Trim is back at his best after being in a weird memory crisis last year. It seems that war keeps him going:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzoaHrMYj3s

Chronik is out of jail, and sounds terrifying these days, and of course Wiley after the avalanche of new music last year has reached an apex of creative zen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZGON32Agu0

boss margins, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

marcus nasty needs to slap kano's mum again for that fw2011 verse. "oh what big bars you have!" guhhhh

r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

teefed vybz kartel lyrics too

r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, Flockaveli is basically a grime album.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 13:38 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

good opinion, count me in

r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link

giggs has done 'hard in da paint' iirc

huzzah

r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link

logan sama's aaa rwd mix was my fav grime artifact from back when i used to check for this stuff. so well balanced. but its been since lost to the mists of hard drive failure. can anyone up that?

ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link

lol at that trim track, good stuff.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link

speaking of giggs & waka flocka- not really sure whats up with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv9LF3bgAoU

Footsie recently released a free d/l which is absolutely amazing. there's gotta be a hidden wealth of his own productions w/ d double over them.
http://www.newhamgenerals.com/2010/12/23/footsie-rastaman-pickney-ep-click-cover-to-download-for-free/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq5uXJ8JzcU

anyone have an opinion on who's versioned the best wooo riddim? probs best to discount d double from this..

boss margins, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link

cheers boss.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link

midlands hype. stay fresh being the big collective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Uf3SEy1co&feature=channel

that footage is taken from a series of nights tim & barry put on which were streamed live. these were so, so, so much fun to watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ArAoAgyrQ

more new dash your stuff instrumentals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ljw8mmM3IY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwwEQxaB3oE&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXNZ1EluxTM&feature=related

boss margins, Thursday, 13 January 2011 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ow9Cnnjeg

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...
four weeks pass...
one year passes...

christ that ruff squad set from the 22nd is really something.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, January 8, 2004 3:08 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It really was something, as was the one from the 29th - I guess these are Ruff Sqwad sets on Deja Vu from 22nd/29th December 2003.

Unfortunately, I lost my copies about 7 years ago, and all I can find online is 16 mins of the 29th December set. Does anyone still have them??

toby, Friday, 7 December 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link

Speaking of http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/dec/06/a-history-of-grime

pandemic, Friday, 7 December 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link


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