Who is the black boy in the sex pistols grundy interview?

I know I'm asking for trouble here, but why the incredulity at Grundymania's question? The individual in question, from appearances, certainly could have been a boy and is most certainly black. What would you have preferred? African-Anglo Person? Is "black boy" honestly an offensive term?

Or am I wrong?

Once I tried a diet
Of quiet rest no sweets
But I went nearly crazy
And I went clearly crazy
Because I really craved for
Chocolate flavored treats

Black boys are nutritious
Black boys fill me up
Black boys are so dandy yummy
Always satisfy my tummy
I have such a sweet tooth
When it comes to love

Black black black black
Black black black black
Black boys!

White boys are so pretty
Skin as smooth as milk
White boys are so pretty
They're like Chinese silk

I tell you that the white boys give me goosebumps
White boys give me the chills
And when they touch my shoulder
That's the touch that kills

Well my mama calls them ninnies
But I call them picadillies
My daddy told me stay away
But I said come on out and let's play

White boys are so groovy
White boys are so tough
And every time that they're near me
I just can't get enough

White boys are so pretty
White boys are so sweet
White boys drive me crazy
Drive me in the street

White boys are so sexy
Legs so long and lean
I love those frayed old trousers
Love the love machine

My brother called them trouble
That's my kind of trouble
My daddy told me no no no no
But I said white boys, don't go

White boys are so lovely
Beautiful as girls
I love to run my fingers
And touch through all them curls

Give me a soft, a sweet, a sexy, a sweet
A pretty, a juicy white boy
Black boy! White boy!
Black boy! White boy!
Mix me up

"these puerto rican girls are just dyin' to meet you"

Indeed. I wonder if I could get away with my sig being god I hate black people. Let's try...

ninah cheery? do you mean neneh cherry? she really doesn't look anything like her. but then i did obsess over neneh and would stare for days on end at the raw like sushi cover. :-)

That's definitely not Simone Thomas.

I still think her name's Debbie. Not to be confused with Debbie Juvenile, who was one of the Bromley Contingent with Suzy (sic) and Spunker (as Severin was known in those days).

Being British we're all routinely filled with so much self-loathing that you couldn't possibly hate us any more than we already hate ourselves, so it's just more water off a duck's back really.

If it helps 'though, sometimes I think I hate Septics even more than I hate my fellow Limeys.

Hey, DICK, I wasn't the one who had a problem with the word "boy."

See, Grundymania isn't racist, just annoying in that post-graduate kind of way.

Often misquoted, this is an accurate transcription of the interview which went out live on 1 December 1976.

The original Sex Pistols line-up are seated - from left to right - Johnny Rotten, Paul Cook, Steve Jones and Glen Matlock. Bill Grundy sits on their left. Standing behind the Pistols are the punk hangers-on from the Bromley Contingent, Siouxsie Sioux, Steve Severin, Simon Barker and 'Simone'.

Grundy introduces the band to the cameras.

GRUNDY (To camera) They are punk rockers. The new craze, they tell me. Their heroes? Not the nice, clean Rolling Stones... you see they are as drunk as I am... they are clean by comparison. They're a group called The Sex Pistols, and I am surrounded by all of them...

JONES (Reading the autocue) In action!

GRUNDY Just let us see The Sex Pistols in action. Come on kids...

[Film of The Sex Pistols in action is shown; then back to Grundy.]

GRUNDY I am told that that group (hits his knee with sheaf of papers) have received forty thousand pounds from a record company. Doesn't that seem, er, to be slightly opposed to their anti-materialistic view of life?

MATLOCK No, the more the merrier.

GRUNDY Really?

MATLOCK Oh yeah.

GRUNDY Well tell me more then.

JONES We've fuckin' spent it, ain't we?

GRUNDY I don't know, have you?

MATLOCK Yeah, it's all gone.

GRUNDY Really?

JONES Down the boozer.

GRUNDY Really? Good Lord! Now I want to know one thing...

MATLOCK What?

GRUNDY Are you serious or are you just making me, trying to make me laugh?

MATLOCK No, it's all gone. Gone.

GRUNDY Really?

MATLOCK Yeah.

GRUNDY No, but I mean about what you're doing.

MATLOCK Oh yeah.

GRUNDY You are serious?

MATLOCK Mmm.

GRUNDY Beethoven, Mozart, Bach and Brahms have all died...

ROTTEN They're all heroes of ours, ain't they?

GRUNDY Really... what? What were you saying, sir?

ROTTEN They're wonderful people.

GRUNDY Are they?

ROTTEN Oh yes! They really turn us on.

JONES But they're dead!

GRUNDY Well suppose they turn other people on?

ROTTEN (Under his breath) That's just their tough shit.

GRUNDY It's what?

ROTTEN Nothing. A rude word. Next question.

GRUNDY No, no, what was the rude word?

ROTTEN Shit.

GRUNDY Was it really? Good heavens, you frighten me to death.

ROTTEN Oh alright, Siegfried...

GRUNDY (Turning to those standing behind the band) What about you girls behind?

MATLOCK He's like yer dad, inni, this geezer?

GRUNDY Are you, er...

MATLOCK Or your granddad.

GRUNDY (To Sioux) Are you worried, or are you just enjoying yourself?

SIOUX Enjoying myself.

GRUNDY Are you?

SIOUX Yeah.

GRUNDY Ah, that's what I thought you were doing.

SIOUX I always wanted to meet you.

GRUNDY Did you really?

SIOUX Yeah.

GRUNDY We'll meet afterwards, shall we? (Sioux does a camp pout)

JONES You dirty sod. You dirty old man!

GRUNDY Well keep going, chief, keep going. Go on, you've got another five seconds. Say something outrageous.

JONES You dirty bastard!

GRUNDY Go on, again.

JONES You dirty fucker! (Laughter from the group)

GRUNDY What a clever boy!

JONES What a fucking rotter.

GRUNDY Well, that's it for tonight. The other rocker Eamonn, and I'm saying nothing else about him, will be back tomorrow. I'll be seeing you soon, I hope I'm not seeing you [the band] again. From me, though, goodnight.

The cheesy signature tune plays and the credits roll. Rotten looks at his watch, Jones starts dancing to the music, and Grundy mutters an off-mic 'Oh shit!' to himself.
The story made the front pages of the following morning's newspapers, amidst howls of outrage, including the now infamous Daily Mirror headline - 'THE FILTH AND THE FURY!'. The Pistols had cemented their place in television folklore.

See, here's the real North/South divide - the South had sloshed, cynical Grundy, the North had hip 'n' cool Tony Wilson!

what a weird thread this has been.

I don't think you understand racism. Or America.

True, but then in fairness, so do Steve Jones, Paul Cook and Glen Matlock - and even John Lydon's looking increasingly like Bill Grundy wearing a Sex Pistols wig lately.

He's visibly drunk! Go rent The Filth and the Fury if you haven't, and watch the JFK-Zapruder-film-like breakdown of this monumental event...

"Go on, say something outrageous..."

You dirty fucker!

What a fuckin' rotter.

I hope I'm not seeing Mark Grout again.

From me though, goodnight.

As an American, I have never heard anyone use the word Paki

Don't forget Bush's use of the term:
"We are working hard to convince both the Indians and the Pakis there’s a way to deal with their problems without going to war," Mr Bush said.

(nb. the first line of the article is great: "THE White House last night insisted that President George W Bush meant no disrespect to the Pakistani people by referring to them as 'Pakis'.")

True, but then in fairness,...

what? speak for yourselves, gramps!

He's visibly drunk! Go rent The Filth and the Fury if you haven't, and watch the JFK-Zapruder-film-like breakdown of this monumental event...

yeah he's admits as much in his intro ("... you see they are as drunk as I am..."). is there a site w/ a clip of this? it's might be the best thing the pistols ever did : )

(no)

The Specials: Doesn't Make It Alright

So they were racist sods, than!!!!

Given this thread, I don't think that Dubya has the monopoly on blinkered ignorance.

-- PJ Miller (pjmiller6...), April 15th, 2005.

recontextualization, ace.

I've heard back from Steve Severin, who doesn't know what Simone is up to, but posted a question about her on his web forum (though with no luck so far):

http://ub3.homepagetools.com/sseverin/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=mouthtomouth&Post=218&Idle=10&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=

I've posted essentially the same question here:

http://onlyloversleftalive.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2567#2567

I've also heard from Don Letts (he hasn't heard from Simone lately) indirectly through James Spooner, and am waiting to hear from Ari Up, having contacted her management.

I think we're all probably talking about the right person. She seems to me to be worth tracking down, I think.

Complete side note: Doesn't M.I.A. kind of sound like Siouxsie?

Yeah - MIA does sound a bit like Siouxsie...

BIGOT

Small ot.

http://www.televisionpersonalities.co.uk/pistols.htm

.. has it as 'Simone'

that's exactly what eman c&p'd four years ago.