― Sean (Sean), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 03:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Hunter (Hunter), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 03:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 04:18 (twenty years ago) link
Whatabout Siouxsie? The Plasmatics?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:23 (twenty years ago) link
And yet - listen to those early 45s in a row, and how lightly they seem to demolish obstacles, breeze past any doubts. Pastiche is a big element - the bass-strings guitar riffs of 'Kid' feel like George Harrison or the axeman of any neat beat group; it's meta-pop, intelligence is at work somewhere, hard to pin down. But instinct too, the sound they found and didn't muck about with too much, at least at the start, and the grace of how it moves.
TS: the exhilarating key-change burst into the solo of 'Kid' vs the exhilarating same-key, same-melody burst into the solo of 'Don't Get Me Wrong'.
― the bellefox, Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link
On the taking sides, I'm a sap--"Don't Get Me Wrong"
― steve hise, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― purple patch (electricsound), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― purple patch (electricsound), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― steve hise, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― steve hise, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― jim wentworth (wench), Monday, 23 August 2004 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― steve hise, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― steve hise, Monday, 23 August 2004 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link
"Whatabout Siouxsie? The Plasmatics?"
The Pretenders were about before The Plasmatics, weren't they?
In any case, what about Big Brother & The Holding Company (Janis Joplin), Jefferson Airplane (Grace Slick)...?
Pretenders? First album was classic, most of the singles were pretty good and (on the handful of occasions I saw them at least) they were always pretty good live.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 23 August 2004 08:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 23 August 2004 08:50 (nineteen years ago) link
'Private Life', 'Millionaires', 'Downtown (Akron)'. 'Criminal' is a good song. I like the tremolo on 'Never Do That'.
There is one song that's a lot like the Banshees! It's on the 45s compilation.
Great line: '2000 miles / ... it's very far!'
― the bellefox, Thursday, 26 August 2004 09:42 (nineteen years ago) link
love the pretenders, scott's description upthread of the first album as 'exhiliarating' applies to much of their stuff for me.
― H (Heruy), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― phil d., Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 26 August 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 26 August 2004 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link
"Now I see you/All impressed and half undressed/ You got paint stick/ All over the scars and lumps and bumps/ Tattooed love boys/ Have got you where I used to lay/ Well ha ha, too bad/ But you know what they say/ Stop snivelin', you're gonna make some plastic surgeon a rich man/ Oh, but the prestige and the glory/ Another human interest story/ You are that."
Two total classics.
― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Thursday, 26 August 2004 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link
I always thought it was "The beggars just come with the scenery.." ya know, 3rd world .. beggars... I guess I gotta look it up now.
― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 26 August 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― the bellefox, Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 August 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link
I still like The Pretenders (who played the first and ONLY stadium-sized concert I've ever attended, Detroit's Joe Louis Arena '87, and Chrissie was totally outgoing and charismatic and made an "I'm-not-worthy" wisecrack about sharing the stage with Iggy Pop, who was the opening act, and the main reason I attended) and I still like "Middle Of The Road", but now it leaves a bit of a bad aftertaste, so tell me: Am I misunderstanding or overreacting? And why should it only now bother me 20 years after the fact?
Comments?
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link
are any of their post get close albums worth the time beyond the singles? I remember not liking Packed that much when it came out, and then I don't think I bought anything else. I did get hooked on the VH1Classics Pretenders marathon hour a few weekends ago.
Ray Davies and Chrissie Hynde are a power-mullet couple if I've ever seen one.
― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link
I never thought of that lyric as complaining about a fan. I guess you could take it that way if you look at it as a specific piece of autobiography, but "I can't get from the car to the curb without some little jerk on my back" seems a pretty universal sentiment somewhat hyperbolically stated.
― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 26 August 2004 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 26 August 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 August 2004 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 26 August 2004 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link
i made another pretenders thread somewhere, i like them (her?) a whole lot.
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!st, Thursday, 9 September 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Thursday, 9 September 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― the chimefox, Saturday, 11 September 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link
indeed!
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 06:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 10:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― gem (trisk), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link
yes, and i read it
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
It disappointed me. She's such a vivid talker and songwriter and was once a critic that I expected something felicitous.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
yeah it was alright, but disappointing
she has some antiquated views about some stuff (and i understand where they come from but they are not sentiments currently in cultural vogue -- she's more caitlin flanagan than people might want her to be), and i don't really identify with her characterization of our hometown, partially because when she lived there was before i was born.her descriptions of her life in london were pretty interesting, but not dishy.
she's very cool, as you would expect. cool = not into dishing or revealing too muchi don't remember a whole lot about it tbh, not really one of my top memoirs even though as a person she is indeed classic.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
"yeah I had this huge pile of CDs to look through, and you guys were the UGLIEST motherfuckers out of all the bands. I figured that you were in it for the music and not the chicks
tbh I'm not really following Hynde's reasoning here
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
Like, they're clearly in it for the music. Face for radio, etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
p much everything after the deaths of JHS & PF = DUD
nah, a lot of the 3rd album and get close is great.
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
The transition from the middle 8 to the verse in Back on the Chain Gang is one of the best things I have ever heard
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 10 February 2018 10:52 (six years ago) link
I didn't know until Spotify told me that there's a version of 'Let's get lost' with Neil Tennant. I like it.
― kinder, Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:16 (six years ago) link
I didn't like I'll Stand By You that much, but my dislike of it is based on the fact that it paved the way for Love Can Build A Bridge, the worst thing in the discography of three different artists.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 10 February 2018 14:46 (six years ago) link
Think Clapton has probably done worse
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 10 February 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link
Pretenders influence can be felt in some newer bands like dum dum girls, alvvays, Laura marling and especially stories from the city
― kolakube (Ross), Saturday, 10 February 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link
The most enjoyment I've gotten out of Arcade Fire in over a decade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqFvqYcYD3Y
― Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Friday, 13 April 2018 00:45 (six years ago) link
Stop your sobbing is one of the best approximations of the spirit of doo-wop. Man does that guitarist rip too, lovers of today melts my face off
― Ross, Saturday, 11 August 2018 03:54 (five years ago) link
Classic!
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 August 2018 04:16 (five years ago) link
"Birds of Paradise" came up on random shuffle for me today. A minor Pretenders song, sure, but man is it gorgeous.
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Saturday, 11 August 2018 04:43 (five years ago) link
^ yeah!
Gonna sample brass in pockets intro, down pitch it and loop it into a hip hop beat. Think it would sound dope
― Ross, Saturday, 11 August 2018 06:22 (five years ago) link
Gonna use MAH MAH MAH.
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 October 2018 02:20 (five years ago) link
You listed the correct post-80s record.
― Engles in the Outfield (cryptosicko), Monday, 8 October 2018 03:54 (five years ago) link
I'm finding it difficult to accept the notion that Hynde has a limited voice.
― lihaperäpukamat (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:09 AM (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Alfred she sings flat about half the time. It's a charming flat, but it's flat.
― a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:26 AM (nine years ago)
lol someone added this to her wikipedia page:
ArtistryThis section needs expansion. You can help by adding to it. (January 2015)Hynde has a contralto vocal range.[ 50 ] Until 1978, shortly before the advent of The Pretenders, Hynde had little idea what she sounded like.[ 51 ] Attributing her distinctive time signatures to an inability to count, and her distinctive amusia to an inability to hear, she eschews formal voice training saying that, "distinctive voices in rock are trained through years of many things: frustration, fear, loneliness, anger, insecurity, arrogance, narcissism, or just sheer perseverance – anything but a teacher."[ 51 ]
― j., Saturday, 8 June 2019 03:10 (five years ago) link
did Hynde and Petty ever cross paths? Was thinking about how they are kinda similar, both part of the last wave of "classic rock", shading into new wave. shag haircuts, idiosyncratic voices, classicists but also p odd.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 November 2019 16:33 (four years ago) link
In which our hero, Chrissie Hynde, kisses Trump's ass in order to encourage him to ... help Julian Assange.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 February 2020 22:02 (four years ago) link
ew! no! what are you talking about?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 21 February 2020 14:31 (four years ago) link
An open Letter to @realDonaldTrump, President of the United States.Dear Mr. President,I often think of how much my father, Melville “Bud” Hynde, who proudly served his country as a Marine on Guadalcanal, would have enjoyed your Presidency. [p1.]— Chrissie Hynde (@ChrissieHynde) February 17, 2020
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 21 February 2020 14:44 (four years ago) link
Melville "Bud" Hynde would probably have voted for Trump, listened to Rush, bopped to "My City is Gone."
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 February 2020 14:46 (four years ago) link
ugh
first pj harvey now CH
assange sucks
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 21 February 2020 14:52 (four years ago) link
what did PJ do?!?! my godwhat is happening
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 21 February 2020 14:58 (four years ago) link
Assange is a cause celebre. Kissing Trump's ass is a different thing (even if Hynde is clever for recognizing how President Mike Teavee works.)
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 February 2020 15:20 (four years ago) link
You may be right.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 February 2020 15:23 (four years ago) link
more like kissy hind amirite
― ymo sumac (NickB), Friday, 21 February 2020 15:24 (four years ago) link
Oh in 2017 PJ participated in pro Assange event
https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/04/patti-smith-pj-harvey-brian-eno-participated-in-free-julian-assange-conference/
― curmudgeon, Friday, 21 February 2020 15:36 (four years ago) link
eh that's stupid but whateverkissing trump's ass in any way is the offense
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 21 February 2020 15:39 (four years ago) link
lol kissy hinde
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 February 2020 15:41 (four years ago) link
Has plenty of potential for this thread: Band names that are parodies of other bands' names.
But certainly not for this one: Worst band/musician with a name that is pun based on other bands/musicians
― breastcrawl, Friday, 21 February 2020 17:24 (four years ago) link
Kiss B. Hynde
― Hideous Lump, Saturday, 22 February 2020 06:46 (four years ago) link
Still haven't gotten around to the new album yet, but this, from her ongoing "Dylan Lockdown Series", is lovely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBUhaj76B_U
― A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Monday, 20 July 2020 17:52 (three years ago) link
It didn't need the last shot, but I found that video unexpectedly moving. Beautiful cover too.
― assert (MatthewK), Monday, 20 July 2020 19:40 (three years ago) link
Anyone else heard the Dylan covers album that Chrissie put out today? Kudos to her for selecting some less obvious song choices, I guess, but I don't know if she always went with his strongest material (two songs each from Shot of Love and Infidels!). At the very least, I am grateful to finally have a version of that "Love Minus Zero/No Limit" cover that I liked so much from last year on record.
― edited for dog profanity (cryptosicko), Friday, 21 May 2021 22:35 (three years ago) link
yeah wow that seems like a natural for her to cover!
― brimstead, Friday, 21 May 2021 23:02 (three years ago) link
I would have loved to hear her salvage "Caribbean Wind." The one on Biograph sucks but on the old bootlegged outtake (which wasn't included on Trouble No More), it sounded like Dylan's phrasing could have been inspired by Chrissie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=audUHTtPi1I
The awkward arrangement needs to be re-done, but I could see the original Pretenders fixing this and making something great out of it.
― birdistheword, Saturday, 22 May 2021 01:02 (three years ago) link
Greil loves the "Blind Willie McTell" cover (and really hates Dylan's Infidels FWIW).
― birdistheword, Saturday, 22 May 2021 19:02 (three years ago) link
Anyone read/have anything to say about this?: https://utpress.utexas.edu/books/adam-sobsey-chrissie-hynde
― Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 16:16 (two years ago) link
Excerpt from a recorded 1981 phone interview with James Honeyman-Scott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-blEXEO4qSY
― birdistheword, Monday, 12 September 2022 17:22 (one year ago) link
played the 7th street entry (capacity 250) in mpls last night and apparently everyone was blown away
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 September 2023 12:41 (nine months ago) link