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DVD have you heard The Nasty Show? It was this amazing radio mix that the Nasty Crew did early last year, was supposed to be released but I'm not sure whether that ever happened. I still think it's the greatest single thing to ever come out of grime; from your recent posts I think you'd adore it.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:16 (nineteen years ago) link

it was never to be released, it was just done (before Jammer & D double E left) by Soul 2 Streets and NASTY to generate some hype. it also predated the whole US-style mixtape fashion...

― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont necesarily want mad beats, i mean, i didnt think the beats on the wiley album were that mad per se, but they seemed more inventive, for lack of a better word. more energtic, like he was forced to adapt to the frenetic beats, rather than a case of him wondering how MCing might fit on top while making them. but thank for the tips, guys. will hopefully stumble on the nasty show somewhere.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"it was never to be released"

Actually Martin I don't know how true this is but I read on RWD or somewhere late last year that they were going to belatedly release a CD of it.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

you can't release a CD like that without licencing all the tracks, paying the MCs, the DJs, promoting it, signing contracts blah blah blah. trust me, i spoke to the guy who organised it at the time, and the intent then was to create a promo thing just to generate hype around NASTY...

― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

... unless you just do a specialist road/bootleg ting like the Aim High/Creaper etc mixtapes do. but Soul 2 Streets wouldn't be silly enough to put it in HMV without doing it legit, i'm sure.

― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

i read in deuce that it was going to be released as a cd :-)

does this mean that people have a better-quality copy of it than that shitty 32kbps or whatever real audio thing that i've got?

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.coastaltown.nildram.co.uk/porl/Skwish%20Skwadz%20-%20Our%20Way%20of%20Life.mp3

― Gribowitz (Lynskey), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah it was available as a promo CD.
dont believe what you read in deuce, i made it all up :)

― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link

btw the Logan Sama free mix CD is in Uptown right now. the end of it goes beef tastic, including Wiley's full take on how Dizzee got stabbed...

― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 October 2004 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

my copy of lord of the mic finally arrived, and i have a couple of questions:

it seems like the order of lethal and wiley's diss tracks should be reversed, right? seem's like wileys "MY girls are young? what about YOUR girl?" is a response to the gary glitter comment...

aww, stryda's in his awkward phase. anyway shouldn't he be in school somewhere? is he? i don't care if he is a ninja. hit the books!

― Lukas (lukas), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay so I've got this Rinse FM set of unknown origin. I think it's from about March maybe, it's got Crazy Titch, Taliban Trim, Flo Dan, Wiley, Tinchey Strider, Kano and a few others on it, and starts off with Davinche's "Leave Me Alone". Anyone know it?

Anyways apart from being insanely good as a whole, there's this awesome 8-bar in it which Flo Dan freestyles over - wedged between "Ground Zero" and the Wonder 8-bar Dizzee uses on "Respect Me". It's got this hyper-syncopated eastern groove, somewhere between Target and Zed Bias circa 01/02, but still really grime. A track ID would be most appreciated.

Also Flo Dan is quite good here, despite what Govt Names might say.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link

post up an MP3 of the track (not the whole set) and we can have a go at IDing the track...

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

DJ Glamma is playing old Jammer dubs from FIVE years ago on Rinse right now and they're grime!

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

im givng up trying to listen to all the pirates all the time.....

― splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Martin i have neither the teknology nor the server space. I'll try to work it out though.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

the remix to kano's ps and qs is great, better than the original in my humble opinion.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 09:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I think if we all resolved to upload every big tune we talked about here, I'd be able to hear this Ps and Qs remix and the world would be better for it. So help me help you to help me.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Those Jammer dubs Glamma was playing are cool. He was using his duoble-orchestral string stabs even back then. The beats sound like he was trying to get a Wookie feel to them. The one made especially for Glamma with all the short synth pulses going off was mad. I'll try and get them up on here in RM soon.

― thsmrltlsnd, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

what about an exclusively grime g-mail tree, no large files?

― Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

i get the feeling a lot of people like to keep their exclusives close to their heart and away from their file-sharing hard drives.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm in, Dave.

razorbladerunner@gmail.com

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

the wiley answer back on the logan sama mixtape is wicked.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

inspired by all the comments and reminisces about john peel, i am going to try and get my tape of the peel session where he got eastwood and his mates to do a set, and at the end, said that he felt like he had been at the first elvis gig, or something, it was so amazing for him. its a good set too, about 90 mins long i guess. if you want it then i shoiuld be back on slsk sometime. its good just as a sort of reminder that even towards the end, peel was still making connections with new stuff, and still open minded.

― ambrose (ambrose), Saturday, 30 October 2004 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

ambrose, if theres any way you could get that on slsk, i would be amazingly grateful.

― splooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 30 October 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

hmmm im gonna have to wait till next week when i get the internet, also, if i can find the tape!??! i found what i thought ws it the other night, but it cuts outi into all this (admittedly, could have been on peel) guitar zzzzz

― ambrose (ambrose), Sunday, 31 October 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

oh god. i ve just heard Give U More and its wicked. didn't dizzee use the instrumental track "Hoe" released on white label in summer?
Forward Riddim is in my opinion quite dull. all the time expected that it ll unwind somehow. it really sounds very lo-fi. he probably made the track by clicking on Random button in Fruity Loops till it sounded cool. best grime track of the year? hardly.

― karl76 (karl76), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

fwd riddim is kinda shit, sad to say.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

it's pretty good.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Dizzee made the "wheel" riddim, early versions of which got bootlegged. this then became "give u more" after it got vocalled. he also made "Hoe" ages ago, which also has been bootlegged/refixed, many times.

― martin (martin), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

martin - you've heard the roll deep album yeah? do you know what the hell is going on with roll deep using the maisonettes' (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:16ke4jn70wav~T1) Heartache Avenue on the album? It's one of the strangest things i've heard to come out of grime. Is it going to be on the final record? I either love it or hate it. I'm still not sure despite listening to it on repeat for about 10 times.

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

dunno if ambrose got it up or not but i have the eastwood peel set up on the seek

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

whats your username myke?

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

boomnoise!zoo

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Fwd Riddim is great! It's like a perkier, friendlier version of "Rat Race".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

dunno if ambrose got it up

i am stil lworking on it but realised that i dont even have all of it so maybe its not worth the bother. do you mind if i get it off you myke?

i am full of shit i guess.

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Myke: i have no idea what will be on the final Roll Deep LP, i' m guessing they dont either. they only just signed to Relentless and as it's not due out till late spring/summer i'm guessing they'll do a whole bunch of new tracks as well.

where did you get a copy of the track from? is it online?

― martin (martin), Monday, 8 November 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i like grime a LOT (in spite of my slightly shit-stirring posts - i just do them to argue things over in my head) but i find it slightly strange that its leading champions have so little remotely critical to say about it. i mean, even the kids at rewind have a less adoring eye over it all.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 8 November 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

feel free ambrose et al.

martin: i have something which is pretending to be the roll deep album - i recognise a lot of the tracks but a few i don't. like the aforementioned.

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link

they only just signed to Relentless

What happened to the story that Roll Deep were with Island Records and an album was imminent?

― JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

For those not in the know:

http://www.chantellefiddy.blogspot.com/

Top stuff indeed

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Chantelle is so great.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

What do people reckon to "Boogeyman"?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

boogeyman is ok. the rapping seems a bit too lacksadacsical.

after checking that blog, chantelle is quite fit actually.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

erm...

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

its still appropriate for this post!

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Boogey man is genius. comedy baroque-electro-grime. "i sleep in my hooded jim jams!"

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

For those who dont want to be in the know:

Blackdownsoundboy

― martin (martin), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Just got back from London and grabbed these grime and sub-lo 12"s at Uptown Records:

white label called "Invade" (really buzzy and dark)
one sided white label called "Thug Ho" (super awesome, very gappy and chopped)
and some Jon E. Cash 12"s on Black Ops:
"Evil" (like, evil, man), "Champagne Hoes" (killer hi pitched vocoder vox at end)

fun fun fun

― Drew Daniel, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

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