Linking this Quine interview for the umpteenth time: http://www.furious.com/perfect/quine.html
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 01:17 (two years ago) link
Found Walking On Locusts on YT last night (LP not on Spotify), and was disappointed to discover the album take of "Dancing Undercover" pales in comparison to the Leno version.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 24 October 2021 01:20 (two years ago) link
Cale also torn shit up on a Game Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mqO-xsRyTM
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 24 October 2021 01:23 (two years ago) link
Which I believe is the beginning of the doc, or nearly so.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 01:31 (two years ago) link
My favorite video of John Cale is the Old Grey Whistle Test version of "Dying on the Vine" with Ollie Halsall on guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-q-GGiAt8Q
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 01:37 (two years ago) link
Cale’s use of the English language
I've been listening to Shifty Adventures in Nookie Wood, and it reinforced that, as a lyricist, Cale excels at setting a scene, and convincing you that something is at stake. "Scotland Yard":
When the hungry days are goneThen came the hungry nightsHolding on to what you've gotStanding in the spotlightThey'll show you mostlyWhat they want you to seeWalking the city at midnightAnd whistling in the dark
or "Mary":
There's a window in my mindYou can see inJust look and you'll want to sighIt inspires you to look away
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 24 October 2021 02:08 (two years ago) link
I guess to describe him as a non-native speaker is not quite correct. His father was an English speaker but he himself only spoke Welsh at home for the first several years of his life.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 02:32 (two years ago) link
That one's just blah, so point for you.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 02:53 (two years ago) link
On the "I've Got a Secret" segment from the doc, it was fascinating and incongruous to see who was on the panel that was watching John Cale play: Betsy Palmer, who 17 years later played Jason's mom in the first Friday the 13th movie, as well as Bess Myerson, the former Miss America who became a criminal in the 1980s.
― Josefa, Sunday, 24 October 2021 02:59 (two years ago) link
Sounds hot, will have to look her up (on the Google that is)Welsh accent, from land of coal mines and bards, serves him well, w the rasp and lilt (thinking of having seen him touring behind Sabotage/Live: "Now Deeerfrance is gonna help us out here..." sometimes surfacing on records too)Lots of good talk here too:John Cale S/D
― dow, Sunday, 24 October 2021 03:06 (two years ago) link
Bess Myerson was also the first (and only) Jewish Miss America, and later acted as an alleged beard for Ed Kotch.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 24 October 2021 03:18 (two years ago) link
Deerfrance? Don’t know much about her but sending her warm thoughts through the mental theremin since her husband just passed. Also just found this song she did about Nico.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnRAPnEiIeAcriminal in the 1980sBecause of her relationship with Andy Capasso. Almost forgot about that.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 03:31 (two years ago) link
Myerson also had a shoplifting problem, which I’m willing to overlook, because who among us…
― Josefa, Sunday, 24 October 2021 03:52 (two years ago) link
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― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 03:58 (two years ago) link
I meant "Street Hassle" the song as being the only solo Lou moment that is absolutely essential for a Velvet fan to hear. Not the album. I love the whole thing, it's his best solo album. But it does have filler and I can't recommend an album that has "I Wanna Be Black" without some sort of warning and a signed waiver absolving me of any blame for being triggered. "Street Hassle" the song is kind of a bummer because there's nothing else like that in his catalog. In my mind that is when Spacemen 3 were born.
The album that best captures the essence of classic Lou is Take No Prisoners.
The Velvets are the only band who I have wanted to hear EVERYTHING from. Any fucked up wobbly bootleg is welcome in my ears.
― Cow_Art, Sunday, 24 October 2021 04:04 (two years ago) link
I’d throw “The Bells” (song) up there as well for VU fans
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 24 October 2021 04:18 (two years ago) link
Thanks for the clarification. “Street Hassle (The Song)” is so great because it is kind of like the plot of a Warhol movie without dropping Andy’s name, the hard shiny, shiny surface of the storyline colliding with Terms of Endearment-level sentimentality, all tied together with those embodied cellos borrowed from the pre-Petra Haden sung cello lines of that earlier tale of Redemption Through Bad Romance performed by those crisscross trend line favorites on JoJo’s graph, The Who’s “A Quick One, While He’s Away.”
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 04:25 (two years ago) link
Some good stuff on this thread: In Praise Of...Lou Reed "Take No Prisoners"Including links to one guy’s excellent blog such as this one: https://damienlove.com/writing/babe-im-on-fire-the-making-of-lou-reeds-street-hassle
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 04:29 (two years ago) link
"Street Hassle (The Song Suite)"
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 04:32 (two years ago) link
Forgot about it being used in The Squid and the Whale, closing credits was it.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 04:40 (two years ago) link
Just went further down the Balloon Farm rabbit hole. Will spare you for now.
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 05:24 (two years ago) link
Or you could just read this yourself: https://www.mikeappel.com/Balloon%20Farm%20story.pdf
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 05:27 (two years ago) link
I can't even interest the Velvet Underground thread in the Sunday Morning / MITM link :(
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 24 October 2021 06:20 (two years ago) link
I hear the similarity! No intel to offer, sorry
― juristic person (morrisp), Sunday, 24 October 2021 06:55 (two years ago) link
oh good, I just needed a sanity check!
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 24 October 2021 07:24 (two years ago) link
MITM?
― Mark G, Sunday, 24 October 2021 07:49 (two years ago) link
"Mary in the Morning" upthread
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 24 October 2021 08:35 (two years ago) link
Ta. Will check it out
― Mark G, Sunday, 24 October 2021 09:16 (two years ago) link
I found the Elvis version, the intro there has a similar chord setup. I don't hear any similarity in Glenn Campbell's.
― Mark G, Sunday, 24 October 2021 09:34 (two years ago) link
Heard American Poet (the live album recorded in 1972 with the Tots on the Transformer tour) for the first time yesterday . -*It's really pretty good!
― drought map replica (brownie), Sunday, 24 October 2021 13:42 (two years ago) link
that's the WLIR Ultrasonic concert, right? with the interview segment? "where's doug yule now?" "uh, dead i hope." i think i listened to that in real time.
― Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 24 October 2021 14:03 (two years ago) link
^pvmic
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 14:05 (two years ago) link
He fired the Tots halfway through the 1973 tour for some reason.
Supposedly because the bass player (I think) was getting too much attention from the crowd - more than Lou that is.
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 October 2021 14:09 (two years ago) link
We all know what happened to his original bass player.
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 14:21 (two years ago) link
Also Fernando Saunders, prob his best solo band bassist, said that after several concert reviewers praised his "New Age" solo, Lou took it away.Speaking again of "New Age," I'm not trying to argue, but this is the way Loaded hit me a few years after its release (I quoted from this RIP piece, "Lou, Velvet" [doesn't deal w solo career atall] a little bit upthread):
hen I discovered Creem, where any discussion might lead to the Velvet Underground, and I found myself buying or trading for Loaded. When Reed mentioned, as Jack and "Sweet Jane" 's mood (and, hopefully, make-out) music, " 'The March of The Wooden Soldiers'----your protest guests?"----that genial last was an aside, a stage throw-away (not quite hiding his sociable interest), between the beats, right before going back to the sweet street kitty stalk 'n' pounce----the '70s were settling into wartime, despite all the amputations and the protestations----so Pop Art was a reality after all, (here in another counterworld, more fun than Self-Portrait)(though sometimes just as in-your-face: "Lonesome Cowboy Bill" an animated line drawing, straight from the pen, " I Found A Reason" a better-than-Zappa zing ov doo-wop and other romanticism, "New Age" starting like a Tennessee Williams x Warhol soap opera, gradually morphing into an inspirational Rock Anthem, although almost uniquely stately with it: prime example of how VU turning seemingly familiar components to new-sounding results, like Big Star and a few others did in compelling ways, among the popologists of that era)(Reed maybe sometimes writing for Doug Yule's castaway Beach Boy-for-a-day pipes as he maybe sometimes had w Nico profundo in mynd) and I was hooked. And didn't Woody Guthrie say something to the effect that a songwriter should be able to get up in the morning, open a newspaper, point his guitar at some story, and write a song about it? If that paper was the Times, the Daily Worker, Women's Wear Daily or The Enquirer, so be it.
I'd recently decided that I was too moody to become a psychiatric social worker, and thus was ready to seize on the charged smog of Loaded's elliptical momentum----somebody had suggested I should become a city planner, whatever that was, so I'd switched my major to Urban Studies, while also stimulated by the model complex on the cover of Cannibals and Christians (Mailer, who had majored in Engineering at Harvard and once planned to be an architect, co-designed this beautiful mega-D lattice, with pieces of Lego or whatever it was---he could do that and write!). Loaded, in combo with my old portable stereo, set up a grid of flats and volumes, squares and other shapes, in all shades, though brightness remained filtered by the haze. So? Just turn the treble all the way up, and let it all hang out.
There was also an association with the board game played by miners in the frozen bowels of Mars, and in Philip K. Dick's The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch. It was like sort of like Monopoly,especially if Monopoly included a drug called Cand-D, and a Barbie-type doll called Perky Pat, whom you could go riding with in a sports car, under the trees and over the squares. Loaded's layout experienced its own kind of Urban Renewal program, its own aforementioned "New Age", its own "Sweet Nuthin' " too, with no contradiction. Its characters were real enough, and surrounded, though never crowded, by Lou's crew and their regard, eye to eye or sidewise----oh, sweet group therapy; sweet, long gone Psychiatric Social Work syllabi----and what about distinctively rocking social workers Kevin Coyne, Ian Curtis, Paul Morrissey, Richard Riegel, Sonny Sharrock? Maybe I was wrong?! Nah."And as I walk down life's highway/Hand in hand with myself/I realize/How many paths/Have come between."
― dow, Sunday, 24 October 2021 17:55 (two years ago) link
"Maybe I was Wrong?!" to change my major, I meant.
― dow, Sunday, 24 October 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link
Good post, dow
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 18:23 (two years ago) link
“––your protest guests?"Oh, is that the line? I’ve never understood what he’s saying there!
― juristic person (morrisp), Sunday, 24 October 2021 18:24 (two years ago) link
I always thought it was "All you protest kids". Sorry for not paying enough attention, Lou.
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 October 2021 18:27 (two years ago) link
Same
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 18:32 (two years ago) link
I think the first version of the song I knew was the live version from Rock ‘n’ Roll Animal (on a Lou best-of tape), where he drops that little aside.
― juristic person (morrisp), Sunday, 24 October 2021 18:35 (two years ago) link
Seems like the intranetz agrees with the kids.
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 18:35 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afam2nIae4o
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 18:37 (two years ago) link
Wiki's The Velvet Underground and Nico chronicle is fun x v. comprehensive, with lots of footnotes, although editor says needs more----I shoulda read it sooner:45th Anniversary Super Deluxe editionOn October 1, 2012, Universal released a 6-CD box set of the album.[74] It features the previously available mono and stereo mixes as discs one and two respectively. Disc one contains as bonus tracks additional alternate versions of "All Tomorrow's Parties", "European Son", "Heroin", "All Tomorrow's Parties" (alternate instrumental version), and "I'll Be Your Mirror". Disc two contains the same bonus tracks as the prior deluxe version's second disc. Disc three is Nico's Chelsea Girl in its entirety and the Scepter Studios acetate (see below) in its entirety occupies disc 4. Discs 5 and 6 contain a previously unreleased live performance from 1966. According to the essay by music critic and historian Richie Unterberger contained within the set, the source for the show is the only audio tape of acceptable quality recording during singer Nico's tenure in the band. The essay also clarifies that the absence of any DVD materials in the box set is due to the fact that none of the band's shows were filmed, in spite of their heavy reliance on multimedia visuals.[75]
― dow, Sunday, 24 October 2021 19:46 (two years ago) link
There is this rehearsal film (was any of the footage used in the Haynes doc)?
― juristic person (morrisp), Sunday, 24 October 2021 19:49 (two years ago) link
I've also read that Todd Haynes couldn't find any film footage w sound, so matched it, to a degree, w excerpts of concert tapes.
― dow, Sunday, 24 October 2021 19:52 (two years ago) link
(WSJ reviewer said that, referencing press materials I assume.)
― dow, Sunday, 24 October 2021 19:53 (two years ago) link
VU is one of those bands that had been box-setted and expanded-editioned to death; though I guess it’s unavoidable when you’re legendary and have just a few albums.
― juristic person (morrisp), Sunday, 24 October 2021 19:54 (two years ago) link
All the EPI footage I've seen is silent, Super-8 looking stuff, that as Dow points out is synched-up with period live tracks or studio cuts. There's a nice clip of a speedy Edie Sedgwick twirling in front of Lou that's been in a bunch of docs.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 24 October 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link
oh yeah, I've seen what you linked, morrisp: The Velvet Underground and Nico: A Symphony of Sound[: filmed at the Factory, so maybe Warhol's People wouldn't be reasonable about rights? Although I saw it on the 'Tube several years ago---Web Sheriff may have nabbed it---real good, anyway. Nico's lttle son is well-behaved, while Mom just holds a tambourine and looks around (it's instrumental jamtyme).
― dow, Sunday, 24 October 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link