fuck, you leave the beatles thread for three days and there's like 400 new posts
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 December 2021 18:37 (two years ago) link
xxpost even some of the earlier Beatles albums had some great drum sounds. That opening CRACK! on “Any Time At All” comes to mind
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 December 2021 18:59 (two years ago) link
but yeah, what Tarfumes said60’s were awash with awesome drum sounds and Hal Blaine would def like a word
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 December 2021 19:00 (two years ago) link
Definitely true that some of their early records had great drum sounds -- the drums on Please Please Me sound incredible (especially "Boys").
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 3 December 2021 19:03 (two years ago) link
Y'all are right, of course. I just get vexed that there are a bunch of songs from that era that I love (e.g. "Substitute") that are let down by really ineptly-recorded drums. That rarely seems to have happened any more after 1970. (Back on theme, I particularly like the sound they got for Ringo's kit on "Come Together".)
― Vast Halo, Friday, 3 December 2021 20:14 (two years ago) link
maybe its just your hearing
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 December 2021 20:55 (two years ago) link
i swear lately on ilm there's this weird hoffman board thing where anything that doesn't sound like rumours is considered bad sounding or lo fi. so many 60s records have amazing sounding drums.
― brimstead, Friday, 3 December 2021 20:57 (two years ago) link
80s gated drum sound was an overcorrection to recapture presence and atmosphere or something
― brimstead, Friday, 3 December 2021 20:58 (two years ago) link
which is why we should use drum machines if Ringo isn't available
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 December 2021 21:00 (two years ago) link
No, it's an opinion, and mine is as valid as yours
― Vast Halo, Friday, 3 December 2021 21:03 (two years ago) link
I can still eat corn if you mash it into a fine paste
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Friday, 3 December 2021 21:05 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG3VUXBcyt0
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 December 2021 21:18 (two years ago) link
The rumors are true!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 December 2021 21:21 (two years ago) link
And now,
Your hosts for the evening,
Two monkeys fucking.
― pplains, Friday, 3 December 2021 21:24 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Pq2cCVLpQ
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 December 2021 22:44 (two years ago) link
While I think '80s gated drums came first - Phil Collins/"Abacab" was one of the first to really push drums to the fore - they definitely cohabitated with increasingly bigger sounding reverbed-out everything as the decade progressed. The huge marshmallow snares would sound so small with everything else overinflated.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 December 2021 23:21 (two years ago) link
I just get vexed that there are a bunch of songs from that era that I love (e.g. "Substitute") that are let down by really ineptly-recorded drums.And “Substitute” is far from the worst of them. The drums on A Quick One and The Who Sell Out (with an exception or two) are abominably recorded. It sounds like there may have been a single mic within no less than 20 feet of the drums.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 3 December 2021 23:34 (two years ago) link
Shel Talmy, absolutely terrible engineer/producer, same with the early Kinks stuff that sounds like shite.
― Maresn3st, Friday, 3 December 2021 23:42 (two years ago) link
Maybe you guys should tell him so on Facepalm.
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 December 2021 23:44 (two years ago) link
Talmy was great. His Kinks records had far more bite and presence than most of the ‘64-‘65 Beatles or Stones records, and his Who records — the My Generation album and the two singles that preceded it, all engineered by Glyn Johns — were heavier than anything previously heard.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 4 December 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
Have to disagree, those first few Kinks records and My Generation have always sounded bad to me.
― Maresn3st, Saturday, 4 December 2021 00:17 (two years ago) link
i swear lately on ilm there's this weird hoffman board thing where you leave the beatles thread for three days and there's like 400 new posts
― war mice (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 4 December 2021 02:32 (two years ago) link
400 postsAnd it’s the same philosophy
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 4 December 2021 03:18 (two years ago) link
i mean if the Kinks & My Generation “sound bad” what is yr idea of “good sounding” records
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 4 December 2021 03:29 (two years ago) link
I'm going to side with those that think the early Who and Kinks records sound great. I mean not from the standpoint of technical proficiency, but their sloppiness and roughness is part of their appeal. I wouldn't want them to have glossy '70s studio polish.
― Lee626, Saturday, 4 December 2021 04:13 (two years ago) link
exactly! the garagey sound is the bonus byproduct and what makes this stuff cool.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 4 December 2021 05:16 (two years ago) link
I always thought The Stones "I wanna be your man" sounded like an insane carcrash of sound, especially for its time
― Mark G, Saturday, 4 December 2021 12:50 (two years ago) link
Not as much as She Said Yeah, but yeah
― Alba, Saturday, 4 December 2021 12:54 (two years ago) link
yeah, loved this.
― Ste, Saturday, 4 December 2021 22:35 (two years ago) link
What I’m saying is…. 70s drums actually sound bad
Dear lord this take is as bad as saying Paul's beard is ugly
― octobeard, Saturday, 4 December 2021 23:53 (two years ago) link
THANK YOU
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 December 2021 01:25 (two years ago) link
my response to that was going to be "have you heard a single r&b record from the '70s"
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 5 December 2021 01:29 (two years ago) link
I was being facetious, it’s just funny that they did all this stuff to tame the drums and make them behave or whatever
― brimstead, Sunday, 5 December 2021 01:53 (two years ago) link
Ok I have to retract myself. Mccartney beard is a thing of beauty.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 5 December 2021 03:45 (two years ago) link
I haven’t dug into Get Back yet; waiting for a day when HD Jr & I can binge it together. In the meantime I’ve been bingeing a podcast called One Sweet Dream - their series on the breakup. It’s very long and VERY repetitive and sometimes EXTREMELY infuriating in SO many ways … but it also gets a lot right and it has rewired my thinking about the ‘68-69 period. I feel like it’s a really valuable addition to the story even though sometimes I want to leap through the speakers and shake the hosts violently. The basic methodology is to look at the Beatles through the lens of Paul & John’s relationship - a “marriage,” as both of them characterized it many times - and observe their actions & re-listen to their words & try to understand how each of them felt & how their emotional entanglement would have driven behaviours & events. Lots to pick apart in there - both good & bad analysis - and a couple of Beatle-nerd pals & I have been enjoying kicking their ideas around, trying to tease the pepper out from the flyshit. Their biggest flaw is the massive chip on their shoulder about Wenner & Lewisohn & the John stans; at least a quarter of each long episode is spent rehashing and tearing down the same tropes over and over rather than advancing their own arguments. Ultimately I wish someone would do a more rigourous job of pursuing their basic insights & building a nuanced and defensible narrative: that would be a real contribution to the scholarship. Nonetheless.
― war mice (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 5 December 2021 17:05 (two years ago) link
"Check out this podcast that gets stuff wrong, is extremely repetitive and I want to kill the hosts."
― kurt schwitterz, Sunday, 5 December 2021 17:34 (two years ago) link
B-b-but it’s about the lads!
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 5 December 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link
XP That's like most podcasts tho.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 5 December 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link
A fun project would be to edit the series down to about 4 hours of REALLY REALLY useful and insightful conversation. If I was unemployed and didn’t need to sleep ever.
― war mice (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 5 December 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link
Their biggest flaw is the massive chip on their shoulder about Wenner & Lewisohn & the John stans; at least a quarter of each long episode is spent rehashing and tearing down the same tropes over and over rather than advancing their own arguments. ― war mice (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, December 5, 2021 5:05 PM (fifty-four minutes ago)
yeah, this seems to be the trend in beatles-talk these days. for a while i was reading this one beatles blog that i thought was smart and interesting, but finally bailed because it felt like every post was about this stuff and i felt i'd spent enough hours of my life reading about why the "lennon remembers" interview was wrong about everything.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 5 December 2021 18:26 (two years ago) link
it's a bitter interview coming from a bitter time, certainly. he gets several things factually wrong in it, but surprise, lennon wasn't some beatles obsessive like most freaks are 50 years later
― akm, Sunday, 5 December 2021 18:28 (two years ago) link
i think Get Back does a better job than anything else of really humanizing these guys and their relationship. the breakup makes absolute sense after watching it and remembering how young they were (despite how old their facial hair made them look). the comment from paul about how they used to live together and now they don't...that's it in a nutshell. there is no massive mystery to be solved. people got older and that is that.
― akm, Sunday, 5 December 2021 18:29 (two years ago) link
xpost: yeah, lennon was blowing off steam at a weird time in his life and said some absolutely absurd stuff that he probably forgot about ten minutes after the interview. it's unfortunate that it got published as a book (though it is fun to read), otherwise i assume it would be fairly obscure now.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 5 December 2021 18:32 (two years ago) link
What's the gripe with the Lennon stans for us not in the now?
― kurt schwitterz, Sunday, 5 December 2021 18:35 (two years ago) link
Yes, exactly, what's up with that gripweed?
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 5 December 2021 18:49 (two years ago) link
talking about podcasts and lennon, have you guys listened to song exploder's episode on lennon's "god"?
https://songexploder.net/john-lennon
it's pretty interesting to hear lennon talk about what kinds of songs he liked to write when he was in the beatles. it's pretty telling how he says the only songs he wrote from first-hand experience were "help" and "strawberry fields forever" and juxtaposes those with songs that were "phony"
the thing is, it seems like he rarely wanted to write very personal songs in the beatles. i'm not sure i would consider that a cop out or "selling out". the really personal stuff would fall under his "hangups", i assume, which is a shame, because more songs like "julia", "don't let me down" and "in my life" (none of which he mentions in the song exploder clip) would've probably been more interesting
anyways, i think some of that bumps heads with george's songwriting style, which would then make sense why he didn't like or at the very least didn't allow many george songs to be played in the beatles. which(!) would all makes sense, because he called "in my life" both his "first real major piece of work" and the most boring song he had written!
― Punster McPunisher, Sunday, 5 December 2021 20:39 (two years ago) link
Lennon's apparent contempt for the whole enterprise was, in a sense, a mask. Because you can also see his obvious un-fakeable joy in a thousand places. Like all of us, he was large and contained multitudes.
No one will ever know which was the "true" Lennon, and we don't need to. He would mock us for wanting to know, because that is the essence of John-ness. I think he wanted to perplex us. To remain a mystery and confound our expectations for closure. That was his reaction to adulation.
Which was and is, of course, something he had the right to choose. It's both understandable and a little (dare I say) mean-spirited.
We also have the right to think he was kind of a dick. A gifted dick, but a dick nonetheless.
― Ennui de Toulouse-Lautrec (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 5 December 2021 22:18 (two years ago) link
Dude was the definition of the saying "closing the barn door after the horse has bolted" He just said shit to say shit, half the time it was either to amuse himself or because he just hated press interviews.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 December 2021 23:18 (two years ago) link
Most of the way through Part 1 and damn if Paul isn't being super condescending to George and Ringo. I've always wanted to defend Paul because if it weren't for his pushing we don't get Let it Be and Abbey Road. But it's interesting so far he hasn't really gone after John in the way he goes after the other two.
― hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Monday, 6 December 2021 02:09 (two years ago) link
I wrapped it up last night, loved it even when it was repetitive, just so much fun to see that place and time with those guys. What a band. My two big takeaways were how universal Ringo's drum experience is — showing up, sitting behind the kit, waiting for the rest of the band to stop bickering and bullshitting and start playing something. And the harmonies — it's such an obvious thing, but they are the key to the whole sound, it's why the Beatles sound like the Beatles, and I just loved every time one of them was singing and the others joined in and it's just like someone flipped a switch. They sounded so good together.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 6 December 2021 04:41 (two years ago) link