NE-YO v THE DREAM

i mean the guy's album is coming out next week - i'm pretty sure def jam had higher hopes than for it to have peaked at #82 by last week

it climbed six spots to #19 on rap/r&b! maybe this week it will catch "ice cream paint job"!

if you're putting more stock in the iTunes store than radio adds then that's your first problem. anyway, not saying it's a smash, but it's clearly still growing, and ever week i hear it more. didn't soulja boy's last couple hits taking 6 months to peak make your year and here you are not understanding how long some songs take to really impact radio?

maybe def jam has, let's say, more reasonable expectations for a fabolous album

uh the guy had a top 10 hit and a top 20 hit off his last album and managed to get these two on the cover of xxl so i would say that they have, let's say, pretty high expectations for a fabolous album

idn't soulja boy's last couple hits taking 6 months to peak make your year and here you are not understanding how long some songs take to really impact radio?

― stupidcrazyswagilisticjumpininyaladyocious (some dude), Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:56 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah im sure def jam will be psyched for fabolous' lead single to peak in jan 2010

yeah Def Jam is throwing out albums with zero promotion all over the place this summer (Ace Hood, Willy Northpole, Unladylike), but Fab is practically a big deal compared to those releases, even if just on a relative scale. still, his last album had a huge single and just barely went gold, so stakes aren't high. I'm just saying, I wouldn't be surprised at all of "Throw It" is top 10 in a few weeks.

xpost

i mean you might be right but even if it sneaks into the top 10 of hip hop/r&b a week or two after his album drops would that still not be considered a flop? a collabo w/ the dream after what the two singles from his last album did?

Unladylike

this one is really good btw

well it depends where it peaks, obviously, but slow rising songs aren't flops, they're sleeper hits. and anyway my point was just it's funny how often you dramatically call something a "major" flop while i'm still hearing it every time i get in the car.

well whatever we don't have rap radio here, so fine ill take your word for it - it's certainly a disappointment at least

certainly

yeah i mean, i think the-dream is still really punching above his weight class in a lot of ways, as far as being featured on an established artist's lead single, getting on multiple magazine covers, trying to get kanye to do a whole album with him -- he really just doesn't have that juice yet and it feels like he's trying to force it to happen as quickly as the songwriting thing happened for him.

yeah i agree - i mean im not surprised vibe folded if they gave the-dream & milian a cover (did i already post that somewhere else?)

i mean he and his albums definitely have a more diehard following (not just talking about this thread) than a lot of gold-selling R&B singers, but he needs to come to the realization that "single ladies" or whatever going to #1 doesn't automatically boost his career as a performer xpost

yeah, but I orig. dled love/hate based on reading it was by the Umbrella dude so there's that too.

yeah, obviously it's a big factor in him having a career and people taking an interest in him -- i'm just saying that him writing a #1 doesn't elevate his profile nearly the way it would if he recorded a #1

that Milian song suuuuuucks.

yes it does

ATTN ALL STANS

RnBGorilla Love King should be out by December this year. It is currently on schedule for release December 8th.
about 1 hour ago from web

aka "man i can't wait for march 2010"

he claims he's retiring after Love King

new track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VoHI3n5niw&feature=related

<3 this one

get that shit on the radio asap

how old is that? i know i've heard that chorus before

I think it's about six months old. He ended up giving it to Lionel Richie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lphLx2OENtE

haha this is great but it's pretty funny how much dream's personality/personal style shows in this song. verses sound a lot like "so good"

err most dream compositions sound like his because he has a very specific and identifiable formula

i feel like it must be demoralizing for lionel richie to do an album full of songs written by ne-yo and the-dream. or maybe he just laughs and says to them "y'know, i used to be you."

he's old tho

pretty sure shaffer wrote for his last album too

i don't think shaffer has quite the same ring as terius

the terius version is a better song but i think it 'works' better as a lionel richie track if that makes sense - the lyrics are so swathy ("the rain will turn into change") that it fits the sort of all encompassing AC dentist office blandness that richie brings

yeah i do like both versions of that song a lot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP0SKZI0wHM

production sounds a bit undercooked but it's got a really good hook i think - chorus melody is great too

sometimes the original question becomes problematic for me.

"i'm not ok" is like top 5 dream-written songs of the year for me

^^^ Completely agree. Not sure why it works so well, but that melody is beautiful.

for a second I thought The-Dream was a ghostwriter for MCR

(anyone else love Dream+Tricky's "Can't Wait To Hate You"? will be on Mariah's newest)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBRBtni1oEw

gonna just answer 'yes' before even clicking that

okay yeah that's nice - seems pretty damn understated for a mimi track tho!

wow that beat is cool.

wow great chorus

I like this more than anything on LVM.

@k3vin k. - feel like that's just b/c this is the demo ... mariah being mariah will likely "overstate" it more, heh

yeah, i love the chorus too, serious hook... have a feeling that this will end up like "right side of my brain"... studio version seriously beefed up compared to this demo... but i kind of like how bare this sounds

here's another MC3 track which i just found and kind of like, but not as much as HATE U -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRdoOT5iUd8

and a question - does anyone know how dream+tricky divide their work? believe I read somewhere that dream writes vocal melodies & lyrics, and tricky does the musical soundscapes underneath.

yeah i was just talking to someone about that song...i think it's already posted upthread actually. great song

i've been under the impression that dream does most of the "writing" and tricky does the production (tho dream does get co-production credit)

kinda like the coen brothers wrt "directing/producing" in a way?

?? wait neither "they don't know me" nor "can't wait to hate you" is on the mariah tracklist, unless the wikipedia one is incorrect