NE-YO v THE DREAM

yeah i mean, i think the-dream is still really punching above his weight class in a lot of ways, as far as being featured on an established artist's lead single, getting on multiple magazine covers, trying to get kanye to do a whole album with him -- he really just doesn't have that juice yet and it feels like he's trying to force it to happen as quickly as the songwriting thing happened for him.

yeah i agree - i mean im not surprised vibe folded if they gave the-dream & milian a cover (did i already post that somewhere else?)

i mean he and his albums definitely have a more diehard following (not just talking about this thread) than a lot of gold-selling R&B singers, but he needs to come to the realization that "single ladies" or whatever going to #1 doesn't automatically boost his career as a performer xpost

yeah, but I orig. dled love/hate based on reading it was by the Umbrella dude so there's that too.

yeah, obviously it's a big factor in him having a career and people taking an interest in him -- i'm just saying that him writing a #1 doesn't elevate his profile nearly the way it would if he recorded a #1

that Milian song suuuuuucks.

yes it does

ATTN ALL STANS

RnBGorilla Love King should be out by December this year. It is currently on schedule for release December 8th.
about 1 hour ago from web

aka "man i can't wait for march 2010"

he claims he's retiring after Love King

new track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VoHI3n5niw&feature=related

<3 this one

get that shit on the radio asap

how old is that? i know i've heard that chorus before

I think it's about six months old. He ended up giving it to Lionel Richie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lphLx2OENtE

haha this is great but it's pretty funny how much dream's personality/personal style shows in this song. verses sound a lot like "so good"

err most dream compositions sound like his because he has a very specific and identifiable formula

i feel like it must be demoralizing for lionel richie to do an album full of songs written by ne-yo and the-dream. or maybe he just laughs and says to them "y'know, i used to be you."

he's old tho

pretty sure shaffer wrote for his last album too

i don't think shaffer has quite the same ring as terius

the terius version is a better song but i think it 'works' better as a lionel richie track if that makes sense - the lyrics are so swathy ("the rain will turn into change") that it fits the sort of all encompassing AC dentist office blandness that richie brings

yeah i do like both versions of that song a lot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP0SKZI0wHM

production sounds a bit undercooked but it's got a really good hook i think - chorus melody is great too

sometimes the original question becomes problematic for me.

"i'm not ok" is like top 5 dream-written songs of the year for me

^^^ Completely agree. Not sure why it works so well, but that melody is beautiful.

for a second I thought The-Dream was a ghostwriter for MCR

(anyone else love Dream+Tricky's "Can't Wait To Hate You"? will be on Mariah's newest)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBRBtni1oEw

gonna just answer 'yes' before even clicking that

okay yeah that's nice - seems pretty damn understated for a mimi track tho!

wow that beat is cool.

wow great chorus

I like this more than anything on LVM.

@k3vin k. - feel like that's just b/c this is the demo ... mariah being mariah will likely "overstate" it more, heh

yeah, i love the chorus too, serious hook... have a feeling that this will end up like "right side of my brain"... studio version seriously beefed up compared to this demo... but i kind of like how bare this sounds

here's another MC3 track which i just found and kind of like, but not as much as HATE U -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRdoOT5iUd8

and a question - does anyone know how dream+tricky divide their work? believe I read somewhere that dream writes vocal melodies & lyrics, and tricky does the musical soundscapes underneath.

yeah i was just talking to someone about that song...i think it's already posted upthread actually. great song

i've been under the impression that dream does most of the "writing" and tricky does the production (tho dream does get co-production credit)

kinda like the coen brothers wrt "directing/producing" in a way?

?? wait neither "they don't know me" nor "can't wait to hate you" is on the mariah tracklist, unless the wikipedia one is incorrect

well, "can't wait to hate you" --> "H.A.T.E.U." (I'm almost sure)

true though -- "they don't know me" was cut

just listened to the "album sampler" and "can't wait to hate you" was on there. not sure if i've ever actually heard "h.a.t.e. u" so i can't say if they're the same.

i've never had the impression that Terius does any instrumental work or that Tricky has anything to do with the lyrics or vocal melodies. one's a producer and one's a songwriter, but since they're a team they just split up the credits more evenly.

yeah i think terius may have small hand in the production though, based on credits and that "making of 'my love'" youtube

anyway Ne-Yo all the way.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:40 PM (1 year ago)

did you ever formally change your stance on this or does it stand?

We need to repoll this sometime.

yes that would clearly be illuminating as fuck.

well now we have the teenpop & n00b brigades behind the-dream so

I think rtc's point still stands.

"teenpop and n00b brigades"? idk if you should really be so needlessly patronising deej

ha yeah i know tim i was just being needlessly patronizing

anyway Ne-Yo all the way.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:40 PM (1 year ago)

did you ever formally change your stance on this or does it stand?

― dorroughmac (k3vin k.), Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:34 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nope