RIP Kanye West

haha it's very real

Unfortunately it’s real

sad that those with such poetic gifts live lives of suffering

some very creepy samples of Kim in there too

I didn’t even feel the vaguest desire to hear this record, I’m glad no one else cares.

Favorite comment in that Reddit thread is should have been whoopi goldberg and joe rogan for donda 2

some very creepy samples of Kim in there too

― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, February 23, 2022 9:58 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah I was afraid he'd do that. there's gonna be no-context emotional voicemails in this isn't there

Lol just heard some snippets and everyone who buyed merch and payed for this shit played themselves.

Conye

Makes sense fucking Elon Musk was there

the real diehards seems convinced that it was just the sound engineer in the venue's fault

he didn't do the stems right

Kanye very much in the Trump zone where no professionals will want to work with him so every endeavor he runs is an inevitable shitshow

my god he's not even remotely trying anymore

watching that half-baked bullshit and reading the stans in the comments is insane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxo73ivQJWk

I just can't stop lolling at the stans' insinuation that this is another brilliant album but the levels and timing were just screwed up in the stadium

no way this thing was mastered, that's what happens when you try to play unmastered audio thru stadium sized speakers

checking for dumb kanye lyrics is what jeenyus was really made for i suppose

Wait, who got our kids in some "What are those?"
Why they can't just be in Yeezys with the cargos?
You know Nike don't like me, y'all takin' it too far though
At least have 'em in some Mike's, he play for Chicago

Lol that thing is like a “shreds” video and the noise in the comments section makes it more hilarious.

Who would’ve thought that things like The Onion and the shreds videos would go from parody to premonitions

yeah the comments make me feel like I'm going nuts, dude is just running his voice through a vocoder and bungling the meter & all the comments are like THIS IS SO AHEAD OF ITS TIME

Longing for the days of his insightful verses like

Poopy-di scoop
Scoop-diddy-whoop
Whoop-di-scoop-di-poop
Poop-di-scoopty
Scoopty-whoop

i can't imagine anyone on this thread wants to argue on behalf of kanye's lyricism at any point in his career but the poopity scoop line was just oddball onomatopoeia not half a step away from shimmy shimmy ya shimmy yeah and i never understood why he caught so much er shit for that and not for say rhyming secure with insecure

Because "poopy-di-scoop" is inherently funnier/dumber than "shimmy shimmy ya", c'mon now.

I get your point, but there are hundreds of syllables he could have chosen over "poopy".

I think Poopy-di scoop was him doing the equivalent of taking a knife to a canvas of a beat for a Drake collab.

lift yourself is my favorite beat he's made in years

there are hundreds of syllables he could have chosen over "poopy"

jesus christ, he's the voice of the people.

what's one thing all PEOPLE have in common?

POOP.

it's not hard.

well it is if you ate a whole pizza

i can't imagine anyone on this thread wants to argue on behalf of kanye's lyricism at any point in his career

i mean, i sure will lol. his lyrics were always kind of goofy & he went for some corny rhymes but he was also clever, relatable, and a strong storyteller. there was lots of humor and depth in his early writing... which is one of the reasons he became a superstar. the idea that kanye was always a bad lyricist is blatant revisionist history to me. he's obviously not a great rapper in the q tip sense or whatever but you can't tell me that songs like "spaceship," "drive slow," "touch the sky" that tell his life story vividly w/ a strong POV are bad lyrically, and i'm putting aside stuff like "breathe in breathe out" which is consciously "dumb" but overall intelligently written and unique perspective wise while also still being pretty funny.

at a certain point the fun & the cleverness got sapped from his music and it turned more into bully pulpit esque sermonizing or all the "semen/morgan freeman" level rhymes w/ none of the actual "mayonnaise colored benz i push miracle whips" punchlines qua punchlines. he was still able to carry it w/ stuff like '808s & heartbreaks' and 'yeezus' bcuz of the production or concise new angles of the albums but now we're all the way in the opposite direction where the albums are overlong, he's stuck on the same production style & the lyrics are genuinely terrible.

trying to think of the last time i was impressed with his lyricism…maybe “30 hours”? even that had unfinished bars and a good minute of unrehearsed riffing at the end

the subject matter of that song also makes me think that was a dug up outtake from around the 808s era, so idk if it even counts

yeah 30 Hours and a couple other things on Pablo were the last time I really loved anything he's done

“no more parties in l.a.” was good, but probably a kendrick ghost write

yeah “no more parties in LA” maybe… tho even then there’s some some weird off putting bits. if not i’m going back to like, the first few songs on MBDTF, but even then you were getting some “i’m the king of leona lewis” or “runaway” type stuff that portended the end was imminent

the asshole bleaching couplet was a sign of bad things to come

that line at least had a bit of “ain’t i a stinker” self-awareness that his post-pablo work has lost completely

yeah that's the album where you can still get what made him good but the joy is being drained out of it

this Donda shit is some of the worst rap music I've ever heard, if you wanted to make something that's the opposite of what I like in hip hop it's this

i can't imagine anyone on this thread wants to argue on behalf of kanye's lyricism at any point in his career but the poopity scoop line was just oddball onomatopoeia not half a step away from shimmy shimmy ya shimmy yeah and i never understood why he caught so much er shit for that and not for say rhyming secure with insecure

all I'm saying is that Kanye would normally be trying to rhyme "Mars", "parks", "calls" and "goldfish", so seeing that he's at least discovered what a rhyme actually is is a step in the right direction

― whelping at his sandpapery best (DJP), Friday, April 1, 2011 1:11 PM bookmarkflaglink

She understood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0GVixJvt-g

POOP.

it's not hard.

― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Wednesday, February 23, 2022 2:44 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

maybe yours isn't. but that family with the large milk bill.

you can't tell me that songs like ..."touch the sky" that tell his life story vividly w/ a strong POV are bad lyrically

Baby, I'm goin' on an aeroplane
And I don't know if I'll be back again
Sure enough, I sent the plane tickets
But when she came to kick it, things became different
Any girl I cheated on, sheets I skeeted on
Couldn't keep it at home, thought I needed a Nia Long
I'm tryin' to right my wrongs
But it's funny them same wrongs helped me write this song

a lot of the "fun and cleverness" of kanye's rapping for the first few years is so deeply enmeshed with misogyny and crass bullshit that, as that became synonymous with his overall brand, they've soured and aged phenomenally poorly for me. And that should frankly be true for anybody! It's hard to enjoy workout plan these days! which i mean, okay i'm not gonna bitch about those same issues with cam but cam is a far better rapper and lyricist and I'm not gonna bitch about that with geto boys but scarface is a far better rapper and lyricist and i'm not gonna bitch about that with david banner but etc etc.

if i have any point to make here it's that i don't think i've ever really liked kanye the rapper? Certainly not since i got past thirty. He can be bearable at times but i am at a loss to think of a single song in his entire catalogue where either his rapping or his lyrics are the best thing about that song. Any nominations?

I have liked (and sometimes still like quite a lot when he's working with other people) kanye the producer. "George bush doesn't care about black people" was a moment but his laboratory remake as a post-modernist product appears to have done genuine creative and psychic damage and engendered as toxic a public persona as any pop star i can think of short of r kelly. It's odd to me that people wanna talk about his current work so much or, frankly talk about him so much period but that's the magic of the everlasting fifteen minutes that comes from adding money into the mix. as matt has said numerous times and i agree, it just makes me sad.

forks did you see cam's recent freestyle on funk flex? he's still got it

you can cherry pick cringe kanye lyrics from lots of places, i mean the entire mythos of his life story is that barely anybody working w/ him in the music industry thought he was good at rapping and he had to conjure his own superstardom from thin air. so this is well trodden territory. but i'll just say that i think the first verse of "touch the sky" if we're gonna look at that song tells a unique personal story w/ wit, humor, detail, and realtability in a way that to me has always scanned as great songwriting despite him always having a penchant for leaning into clunkers, but of course that's part of his mythos too, he's not afraid of embarrassment and he believes he can sell anything thru inhuman confidence. even as i've grown to have zero use for kanye the musician and don't really feel like listening to much of his old music bcuz i've been there done that many times and there's lots of other music to be listening to in the world i never had the thought that he wasn't a great writer for a large stretch of his career

[Verse 1: Kanye West]
Back when they thought pink Polos would hurt the Roc
Before Cam got the shit to pop
The doors was closed
I felt like Bad Boy's street team: I couldn't work the locks
Now let's go, take 'em back to the plan
Me and my momma hopped in that U-Haul van
Any pessimists, I ain't talk to them
Plus I ain't have no phone in my apart-a-ment
Let's take 'em back to the club
Least about an hour I stand on line
I just wanted to dance, I went to Jacob an hour
After I got my advance, I just wanted to shine
Jay favorite line: "Dawg, in due time!"
Now he look at me, like, "Damn, dawg! You where I am!"
A hip-hop legend
I think I died in that accident, ‘cause this must be Heaven

but that family with the large milk bill.

semi-embarrassed that I'm "online" enough to get this reference...

rap lyrics are never well served by being written out

yeah the comments make me feel like I'm going nuts, dude is just running his voice through a vocoder and bungling the meter & all the comments are like THIS IS SO AHEAD OF ITS TIME

xxp i mean those are okay bars. They're fine? but are his lyrics or rapping there your favorite part of that song? relistening it to it now, he's clearly in his best voice at this stage in his career but even so the ad libs are distracting and uninspired. the reason i remember touch the sky at all is because of what just blaze did with curtis mayfield.

at no point has kanye's "you can hate me now" navelgazing gravitas appealed to me as either an origin story or as a meaningful wellspring. i find his sense of humor puerile and his lyricism functional to clunky. as far as the behind the curtain peeks he offers I mean he DOES know all these guys so it's like aquaman rapping about hanging out with superman and okay, that has its moments but... i dunno?

even as i've grown to have zero use for kanye the musician

and don't really feel like listening to much of his old music bcuz i've been there done that many times and there's lots of other music to be listening to in the world

i never had the thought that he wasn't a great writer for a large stretch of his career

lol and then "through the wire" came on and yeah i mean that's fresh

thanks for that freestyle recommendation, great fun!
"this rap here/ is a souvenir/ my index/is not for windex/but i make it super clear"

DJP you've always been pretty otm with Kanye's weak rhyming style:

Oh, to dream of what Kanye would rhyme with "Ra's Al Ghul"

― da croupier, Friday, January 7, 2011 10:31 AM bookmarkflaglink

This is Kanye we're talking about, he probably would have tried to rhyme it with "Louis Vuitton"

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Friday, January 7, 2011 10:48 AM bookmarkflaglink