thanks for that history ufoNo one here is scanning Likes (and maybe no one did at all... isn't "X person you followed liked this tweet" part of the Twitter timeline?). This started because given the chance to turn what he claims is a misunderstanding into anything the least bit positive, he chose to say...pff i don't know what all this is about, i just happen to read a bunch of people who think like this. Ridiculous.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 29 April 2022 10:58 (two years ago) link
yeah the default setting on twitter makes likes show up on the timeline sometimes, i think that's usually how people notice this stuff and only then do they start digging to see if it's indicative of anything more
― ufo, Friday, 29 April 2022 11:10 (two years ago) link
...anybody who seeks to impose moral superiority over somebody who is clearly gifted at their craft is expressing nothing but a frustration at their own perceived lack of agency instead of anything meaningful or worthwhile
yikes
― rob, Friday, 29 April 2022 13:15 (two years ago) link
that is one of the wildest things I've read on ilx in a while--do you actually believe that?
and yes I agree that digging up JG's wife's anti-vax views to shit on JG is feeble
― rob, Friday, 29 April 2022 13:16 (two years ago) link
realize now that the thread bump was something that came between JG's Big Like and him addressing it so i shouldn't have said the latter is why we're talking about this here. It's just why i bothered to.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 29 April 2022 13:23 (two years ago) link
JG was even posting pro-vaccine news on his twitter iirc and is vaccinated himself.
Pinning anything he thinks or does on his wife is problematic for so many reasons. A man of his cultural importance and international fame has been surrounded by people with many opposing thoughts through the years. are we going to start pushing people against the wall for other people they interact with?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 29 April 2022 13:30 (two years ago) link
Can any of you even prove he's interacted with his wife?!
― Chris L, Friday, 29 April 2022 13:38 (two years ago) link
marriages, like retweets, should not be viewed as endorsements. Moka is otm. There are frothing fans out there that have it out for his wife and are really suspicious of jonny because of her, and fuck that. It's his own tweet that got me.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 29 April 2022 13:40 (two years ago) link
and yeah frogbs otm with the debt forgiveness analogy, you will see a lot of cis women who believe the suffering they’ve endured as part of their gender is an essential condition of that gender and their identity and how dare anyone claim to be a woman without going through that same suffering
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, April 28, 2022 9:38 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
i will say i was prob talking shit here and fgti's assessment that it's more of a dworkin-era hangover of hating penises bc so many men with them wanted to control their reproductive rights, but even then idk, it's not as if the struggles of feminism and the struggles of trans women are not so intimately interwoven as to be the same thing, it just requires so little of a leap to want to protect other women from the same fucking demons!!!
i admit that i am venting my potentially off base and ahistorical feelings about left-leaning people adopting transphobic positions bc i am overemotional during and chronically avoidant of any kind of conflict
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 29 April 2022 16:39 (two years ago) link
wow i sure forgot to put all of the words in that post that were supposed to be there. anyway i'm sorry for getting heated, i felt bad
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 29 April 2022 16:40 (two years ago) link
Oh god no I feel bad for my own overreaction! I’m sorry. I wasn’t even really reacting to anyone here, it was off-base and bad and I’m sorry.
― a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 29 April 2022 17:07 (two years ago) link
you can react that way to me. i don't care either way because the bottom line is that i have no time for anyone who is bigoted in any capacity and/or associates with a group that has anti-human agendas.
this post may come across angry or aggressive. i assure you, it is the exact opposite of both of those things.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Friday, 29 April 2022 18:58 (two years ago) link
lol i'm like "why is anybody still talking about radiohead in 2022"
oh because jonny greenwood terfed
hey thom go make jonny listen to "a reminder", or better yet don't, eventually you learn one way or the other, songs like that don't matter. we change. for the better or for the worse we change
my feeling is that there is a pipeline and that once you're on the pipeline far enough to be liking tweets, you don't leave. there aren't "ex-terfs" or de-terfers.
my feeling also is that it is social, not just being a terf but a lot of things. you're influenced by who you spend time with. there are reasons there are so many trans folks in the pac nw, and it's not just because we're all fleeing texas.
i could be wrong but i feel like j. greenwood probably spends a lot of time with his wife.
the uk became terf island because... well, because mumsnet, in a lot of ways. you get one person in the right place and it makes a big difference. mumsnet terf-pilled a generation. i feel bad for my friends in the uk. they got it bad. real bad. well, you know. all any of us can do is survive.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 1 May 2022 07:58 (two years ago) link
hey thom play Jonny Rabbit in Your Headlights.. fat bloody fingers are sucking your soul away
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 1 May 2022 12:49 (two years ago) link
the interesting thing about something like this is that i totally see where people are coming from, how it feeds into folks' anxieties. anybody... i mean, i'll just say it's not a cis thing, because i was the same way before i transitioned
there's this desire to give someone the benefit of the doubt, partly influenced by how much the person in question likes "popcorn superhet receiver" or whatever ("superhet" lol) but partly by how easily someone can see themselves accidentally doing what jonny did
and it seems really easy, it seems like a really easy mistake for someone to make. you look at it and you're like "jeez it doesn't seem that bad to me, i could've done that, if not now than in the fairly recent past"
except that people don't ever seem to do it by accident. people make mistakes, you let go, you move on, but this only ever seems to happen as part of a pattern of behavior, and that pattern of behavior is, weirdly enough, it's part of the terf coming out process
it's like getting clocked for the first time, you know it's gonna happen, it feels shitty, but it doesn't actually change who you are or what you believe. at best you scurry back into the closet.
the difference is that terfs, gencrits, w/e, they're basing their identity around their beliefs about people like me, beliefs which are fundamentally based in ignorance (like i say, it's social; if jonny spent any significant amount of time around trans people he'd see how fucking ridiculous the things gencrits say are), and i'm basing my identity around, uh, myself.
gencrits _could_ change their beliefs about trans people, in theory, because pretty much all of us _have_ changed our beliefs about trans people. the stuff gencrits believe is stuff that was universally accepted, as in i myself accepted it, not too long ago. they just don't see any reason they should do that work.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 1 May 2022 13:04 (two years ago) link
This is incredibly otm and I’m glad to see you on here again :)
I want to add a little re UK context: it is mumsnet but especially a lot of the “progressive” female commentators you see martyring themselves into terfdom are people used to being fêted for their work and progressive opinions but like a lot of old people, they’ve found themselves out of step and they don’t like it. How dare you talk back to them, don’t you know they were a pioneer two or three decades ago?
And yes, for “mistakes” you don’t often see people going the other way.
― gyac, Sunday, 1 May 2022 13:19 (two years ago) link
my feeling is that there is a pipeline and that once you're on the pipeline far enough to be liking tweets, you don't leave. there aren't "ex-terfs" or de-terfers.― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, May 1, 2022 12:58 AM
i had some overly excited, expletive filled WHOOOO! type comment.
but instead i'll just leave that quote there and say i'm really glad to see you back around these parts.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Sunday, 1 May 2022 14:01 (two years ago) link
yeah the us transphobes are kinda like that too, my gut on this is that it's more correlative than causative. i feel like people who aren't out of touch with what's going on are more likely to actually know a trans person or two, and hell, nobody _enjoys_ being called on their bullshit.
it's kinda hard to explain what it's actually _like_ when someone whose art i admire starts openly supporting a political movement dedicated to the eradication of people like me. like for instance, in the Before Time when Christian Vander of Magma came out as a Nazi, i felt really hurt and betrayed on a personal level. in some ways it's less personal since i've come out? i don't _individualize_ it as much.
there are a lot of people in the world who would prefer it very much if i didn't exist. that's kind of weird to me, it's not something i really had to deal with before, but it's also a fact of life. and anybody at any time could turn out to be one of those people, i kinda gotta be mentally prepared for that. there's no sense of surprise and betrayal because literally anybody could turn out to be a transphobe. there's no "i thought you were better than that", "i trusted you", anything like that.
when people talk sometimes about separating the artist from the art, that was challenging to me, because i'm not a fan of _art_, i'm a fan of _artists_. in some sense greenwood and i are equals now - i had a lot of strong emotions about him despite not really knowing him as a person, and he apparently has, now, strong feelings about me despite being ignorant of, well, apparently all trans people.
the idea of being a _fan_ of someone who held those beliefs, it makes me think of that poor trans lady back in the day who came up to germaine greer and told her how much she appreciated what greer had done for women like her.
greer seems to have not accepted the compliment gracefully. i read an excerpt from one of her later books where she engages in a bit of l'esprit d'escalier. i mean damn mad respect for greer as a writer, because that is some top-notch invective. today's transphobes can at best manage to be a pale imitation of the sheer vitriol greer spat out at people like me.
and you know what, that shit works, right? i read the passage some decades after it was written and boy, it sure made me hate myself. all of the worst things i ever suspected or thought about myself, she just put all of that out there in print.
i mean can i say i'm a "fan" of her writing after seeing one particular use to which she put her tremendous literary talent? the whole transition thing, the hardest and most important thing i had to do was to value _myself_ more than i value what other people think or say about me. being a fan of someone who thinks poorly of me requires me to hate myself. and knowing what someone like that _does_ think of people like me, well, valuing myself requires that i not engage too closely with their work, whatever its merits might be, because to do that is dangerous to my continued health and well-being.
but there's no personal feeling in there at all. i could no more hate jonny greenwood than i could hate strychnine. it's just different when it's _you_ someone is hurting.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 1 May 2022 18:13 (two years ago) link
some of the most thought provoking shit I have read in a long time, thank you Kate
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:52 (two years ago) link
wow, what a post [blinking, applause] thank you for taking the time to think/write that
― sean gramophone, Monday, 2 May 2022 14:08 (two years ago) link
Very interesting pov Kate. Glad to see you around here and give your insight into this sort of thing.
Just want to note that Johnny’s wife is anti-vax but afaik she isn’t a transphobe or is liking or retweeting transphobic tweets.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 2 May 2022 16:51 (two years ago) link
🤮
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Monday, 2 May 2022 16:54 (two years ago) link
that was to moka lol. fantastic post kate.
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Monday, 2 May 2022 16:55 (two years ago) link
:/ what did i do wrong now?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 2 May 2022 16:58 (two years ago) link
"Thin Thing" is the first song by The Smile that really and truly knocked me for a loop.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 00:25 (two years ago) link
(I like the other cuts released so far, they're just not kicking my ass yet.)
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 00:34 (two years ago) link
the smile album definitely does the material more justice than the livestream performance, it's really reliant on jonny's orchestral arrangements to fill in the gaps
but among radiohead albums this would still be near the bottom, there's some nice stuff like "open the floodgates" and "speech bubbles" but also lot of meandering grooves in weird time signatures
― ufo, Friday, 13 May 2022 01:45 (two years ago) link
general feeling is somewhere between amsp and httt neither of which is a favourite of mine
― ufo, Friday, 13 May 2022 01:55 (two years ago) link
Yeah strong HTTT vibes on some tracks which is my least favorite album of them.
It’s more interesting than Thom’s solo efforts so I think it’s good that they took it out of their system.
“Open the floodgates” and “free in the knowledge” were good enough to be saved for LP10.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 13 May 2022 03:27 (two years ago) link
Most interesting aspect is the drums. I love Phil but love how the drums sound in here.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 13 May 2022 03:28 (two years ago) link
This is the way more interesting and satisfying than the Yorke solo albums, which try as I might I never warmed to.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 13 May 2022 03:39 (two years ago) link
i like the eraser a lot more than this, this is probably better than some of the others though
― ufo, Friday, 13 May 2022 04:00 (two years ago) link
Ah yes Eraser is amazing and gets better as time goes by.
This is my second favorite radiohead-related, non-radiohead album tho
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 13 May 2022 06:42 (two years ago) link
These are two of my very favorite Radiohead records so I look forward to listening
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 13 May 2022 17:40 (two years ago) link
I’m on my third listen. “The Same” rules
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 13 May 2022 17:44 (two years ago) link
And yeah, to me it sounds like a Radiohead album with a different drummer (one I prefer, vastly, for their new music, but ymmv)
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 13 May 2022 17:45 (two years ago) link
yesss this album absolutely rules
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 13 May 2022 22:53 (two years ago) link
Loving this
― beard papa, Saturday, 14 May 2022 02:09 (two years ago) link
"free in the knowledge" is so albarn-esque it's uncanny
― ufo, Saturday, 14 May 2022 03:36 (two years ago) link
This album is really lovely
― change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 14 May 2022 04:07 (two years ago) link
i haven't listened to albarn in ages - which track(s) are you thinking of?
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 14 May 2022 05:07 (two years ago) link
ballads like "sweet song", it's just an extremely albarn-esque melody
― ufo, Saturday, 14 May 2022 06:43 (two years ago) link
don't leave us hanging moka! what's ur favorite?
― corrs unplugged, Saturday, 14 May 2022 07:10 (two years ago) link
"A Hairdryer" is a great jam (with a silly title) and according to Spotify play counts I'm listener number... 2709? That's not a lot of plays for a release like this!https://i.imgur.com/CvEpn5x.png
― corrs unplugged, Saturday, 14 May 2022 07:52 (two years ago) link
Spotify is weird about counting plays in the first few days after release, not sure why but it's not really accurate. On the artist side they don't even show you stats until 3-4 days in.
― change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 14 May 2022 16:20 (two years ago) link
god what a dope album
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 14 May 2022 16:31 (two years ago) link
can't stop listening to it
It gets stronger the more I listen.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 14 May 2022 16:33 (two years ago) link
this is the most obvious comment i could make but the drumming is fucking bonkers
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 14 May 2022 17:13 (two years ago) link