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Oh god no I feel bad for my own overreaction! I’m sorry. I wasn’t even really reacting to anyone here, it was off-base and bad and I’m sorry.

you can react that way to me. i don't care either way because the bottom line is that i have no time for anyone who is bigoted in any capacity and/or associates with a group that has anti-human agendas.

this post may come across angry or aggressive. i assure you, it is the exact opposite of both of those things.

lol i'm like "why is anybody still talking about radiohead in 2022"

oh because jonny greenwood terfed

hey thom go make jonny listen to "a reminder", or better yet don't, eventually you learn one way or the other, songs like that don't matter. we change. for the better or for the worse we change

my feeling is that there is a pipeline and that once you're on the pipeline far enough to be liking tweets, you don't leave. there aren't "ex-terfs" or de-terfers.

my feeling also is that it is social, not just being a terf but a lot of things. you're influenced by who you spend time with. there are reasons there are so many trans folks in the pac nw, and it's not just because we're all fleeing texas.

i could be wrong but i feel like j. greenwood probably spends a lot of time with his wife.

the uk became terf island because... well, because mumsnet, in a lot of ways. you get one person in the right place and it makes a big difference. mumsnet terf-pilled a generation. i feel bad for my friends in the uk. they got it bad. real bad. well, you know. all any of us can do is survive.

hey thom play Jonny Rabbit in Your Headlights.. fat bloody fingers are sucking your soul away

the interesting thing about something like this is that i totally see where people are coming from, how it feeds into folks' anxieties. anybody... i mean, i'll just say it's not a cis thing, because i was the same way before i transitioned

there's this desire to give someone the benefit of the doubt, partly influenced by how much the person in question likes "popcorn superhet receiver" or whatever ("superhet" lol) but partly by how easily someone can see themselves accidentally doing what jonny did

and it seems really easy, it seems like a really easy mistake for someone to make. you look at it and you're like "jeez it doesn't seem that bad to me, i could've done that, if not now than in the fairly recent past"

except that people don't ever seem to do it by accident. people make mistakes, you let go, you move on, but this only ever seems to happen as part of a pattern of behavior, and that pattern of behavior is, weirdly enough, it's part of the terf coming out process

it's like getting clocked for the first time, you know it's gonna happen, it feels shitty, but it doesn't actually change who you are or what you believe. at best you scurry back into the closet.

the difference is that terfs, gencrits, w/e, they're basing their identity around their beliefs about people like me, beliefs which are fundamentally based in ignorance (like i say, it's social; if jonny spent any significant amount of time around trans people he'd see how fucking ridiculous the things gencrits say are), and i'm basing my identity around, uh, myself.

gencrits _could_ change their beliefs about trans people, in theory, because pretty much all of us _have_ changed our beliefs about trans people. the stuff gencrits believe is stuff that was universally accepted, as in i myself accepted it, not too long ago. they just don't see any reason they should do that work.

This is incredibly otm and I’m glad to see you on here again :)

I want to add a little re UK context: it is mumsnet but especially a lot of the “progressive” female commentators you see martyring themselves into terfdom are people used to being fêted for their work and progressive opinions but like a lot of old people, they’ve found themselves out of step and they don’t like it. How dare you talk back to them, don’t you know they were a pioneer two or three decades ago?

And yes, for “mistakes” you don’t often see people going the other way.

my feeling is that there is a pipeline and that once you're on the pipeline far enough to be liking tweets, you don't leave. there aren't "ex-terfs" or de-terfers.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, May 1, 2022 12:58 AM

i had some overly excited, expletive filled WHOOOO! type comment.

but instead i'll just leave that quote there and say i'm really glad to see you back around these parts.

I want to add a little re UK context: it is mumsnet but especially a lot of the “progressive” female commentators you see martyring themselves into terfdom are people used to being fêted for their work and progressive opinions but like a lot of old people, they’ve found themselves out of step and they don’t like it. How dare you talk back to them, don’t you know they were a pioneer two or three decades ago?

yeah the us transphobes are kinda like that too, my gut on this is that it's more correlative than causative. i feel like people who aren't out of touch with what's going on are more likely to actually know a trans person or two, and hell, nobody _enjoys_ being called on their bullshit.

it's kinda hard to explain what it's actually _like_ when someone whose art i admire starts openly supporting a political movement dedicated to the eradication of people like me. like for instance, in the Before Time when Christian Vander of Magma came out as a Nazi, i felt really hurt and betrayed on a personal level. in some ways it's less personal since i've come out? i don't _individualize_ it as much.

there are a lot of people in the world who would prefer it very much if i didn't exist. that's kind of weird to me, it's not something i really had to deal with before, but it's also a fact of life. and anybody at any time could turn out to be one of those people, i kinda gotta be mentally prepared for that. there's no sense of surprise and betrayal because literally anybody could turn out to be a transphobe. there's no "i thought you were better than that", "i trusted you", anything like that.

when people talk sometimes about separating the artist from the art, that was challenging to me, because i'm not a fan of _art_, i'm a fan of _artists_. in some sense greenwood and i are equals now - i had a lot of strong emotions about him despite not really knowing him as a person, and he apparently has, now, strong feelings about me despite being ignorant of, well, apparently all trans people.

the idea of being a _fan_ of someone who held those beliefs, it makes me think of that poor trans lady back in the day who came up to germaine greer and told her how much she appreciated what greer had done for women like her.

greer seems to have not accepted the compliment gracefully. i read an excerpt from one of her later books where she engages in a bit of l'esprit d'escalier. i mean damn mad respect for greer as a writer, because that is some top-notch invective. today's transphobes can at best manage to be a pale imitation of the sheer vitriol greer spat out at people like me.

and you know what, that shit works, right? i read the passage some decades after it was written and boy, it sure made me hate myself. all of the worst things i ever suspected or thought about myself, she just put all of that out there in print.

i mean can i say i'm a "fan" of her writing after seeing one particular use to which she put her tremendous literary talent? the whole transition thing, the hardest and most important thing i had to do was to value _myself_ more than i value what other people think or say about me. being a fan of someone who thinks poorly of me requires me to hate myself. and knowing what someone like that _does_ think of people like me, well, valuing myself requires that i not engage too closely with their work, whatever its merits might be, because to do that is dangerous to my continued health and well-being.

but there's no personal feeling in there at all. i could no more hate jonny greenwood than i could hate strychnine. it's just different when it's _you_ someone is hurting.

some of the most thought provoking shit I have read in a long time, thank you Kate

wow, what a post [blinking, applause]
thank you for taking the time to think/write that

Very interesting pov Kate. Glad to see you around here and give your insight into this sort of thing.

Just want to note that Johnny’s wife is anti-vax but afaik she isn’t a transphobe or is liking or retweeting transphobic tweets.

🤮

that was to moka lol. fantastic post kate.

:/ what did i do wrong now?

"Thin Thing" is the first song by The Smile that really and truly knocked me for a loop.

(I like the other cuts released so far, they're just not kicking my ass yet.)

the smile album definitely does the material more justice than the livestream performance, it's really reliant on jonny's orchestral arrangements to fill in the gaps

but among radiohead albums this would still be near the bottom, there's some nice stuff like "open the floodgates" and "speech bubbles" but also lot of meandering grooves in weird time signatures

general feeling is somewhere between amsp and httt neither of which is a favourite of mine

Yeah strong HTTT vibes on some tracks which is my least favorite album of them.

It’s more interesting than Thom’s solo efforts so I think it’s good that they took it out of their system.

“Open the floodgates” and “free in the knowledge” were good enough to be saved for LP10.

Most interesting aspect is the drums. I love Phil but love how the drums sound in here.

This is the way more interesting and satisfying than the Yorke solo albums, which try as I might I never warmed to.

i like the eraser a lot more than this, this is probably better than some of the others though

Ah yes Eraser is amazing and gets better as time goes by.

This is my second favorite radiohead-related, non-radiohead album tho

general feeling is somewhere between amsp and httt neither of which is a favourite of mine

These are two of my very favorite Radiohead records so I look forward to listening

I’m on my third listen. “The Same” rules

And yeah, to me it sounds like a Radiohead album with a different drummer (one I prefer, vastly, for their new music, but ymmv)

yesss this album absolutely rules

Loving this

"free in the knowledge" is so albarn-esque it's uncanny

This album is really lovely

i haven't listened to albarn in ages - which track(s) are you thinking of?

ballads like "sweet song", it's just an extremely albarn-esque melody

This is my second favorite radiohead-related, non-radiohead album tho

don't leave us hanging moka! what's ur favorite?

"A Hairdryer" is a great jam (with a silly title) and according to Spotify play counts I'm listener number... 2709? That's not a lot of plays for a release like this!
https://i.imgur.com/CvEpn5x.png

Spotify is weird about counting plays in the first few days after release, not sure why but it's not really accurate. On the artist side they don't even show you stats until 3-4 days in.

god what a dope album

can't stop listening to it

It gets stronger the more I listen.

this is the most obvious comment i could make but the drumming is fucking bonkers

yeah, he really brings it on Thin Thing. you can almost see him just laying that down and the other two joining in and knowing exactly what energy to bring. his playing is controlled lightning all over it, so good.

my favorite lil moment on the album is on the The Same at 2:16. i can only call it "haunting". credit to nigel because the production on just that single line is almost frightening - it sounds like someone moving through walls.

Somebody's hearing voices
(Somebody's going down, down, down)

I found that strummy track ("Free In The Knowledge" I guess?) quite annoying, but a lot of the rest is really great. I will need to settle into it with a few more spins soon.

Now listening for that, KM

Agree with the praise, "Open The Floodgates" is my early fave. I hear a ton of cosmic music flourishes throughout. Is this a side project or has Radiohead disbanded?

I love “free in the knowledge” but the production is a saturared mess tbh

it's a side project that exists because the others weren't available to make music during the height of the pandemic

(Arranger) Hugh Brunt the MVP of this album. Greenwood is amazing but it’s so interesting to hear another approach

Also considering how ambivalent I am about Yorke’s lyrics and singing on Radiohead albums (more a comment on my own fatigue than his craft) I am adoring his voice on this

His voice sounds younger somewhat in this. In modern Radiohead albums he uses the falsetto more discreetly and it sounds a bit whiny. In here he almost sounds as good as he sounded in The Bends.

Maybe not stressing his voice on tour helped.

also lot of meandering grooves in weird time signatures

Okay, I'm sold!

Meandering grooves in weird time signatures is how I’d describe most of Radiohead post OKC tbh