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and now, Mayhem
― country matters, Sunday, 26 July 2009 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link
just always gonna disagree w/ you on this one scott, I think it's bullshit when people take The Metal That's Most Comfortable For Me and then champion it as The Most Awesome Metal when they kinda don't know what they're talking about
feel the same way in other genres & fields too, my position is if you don't have a hunger to learn the history then you're doin it wrong
I know this is an obnoxious super-orthodox stance to take but what can I say, I'm a Catholic.
― Trey Tsongas (J0hn D.), Sunday, 26 July 2009 23:44 (fifteen years ago) link
btw De Mysteriis was sweet, Ordo Ad Chao also sounding like it knows its plain evil from its megasuperdemonic
awesome is subjective, because it is my own awe kthx
― country matters, Sunday, 26 July 2009 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link
mind you I am only too happy to have the important classic stuff impressed upon me, because one day it will stick and it will be like joining a particularly awesome club of people who understand why shit like this happens in the first place
― country matters, Sunday, 26 July 2009 23:52 (fifteen years ago) link
i just think most people's musical education is haphazard at best. if someone says that their favorite jazz album is a love supreme i don't immediately scream WHY DON'T YOU LISTEN TO MORE CHARLIE PARKER!!?? sometimes it takes people a little longer to get used to a genre. everyone has a different way in.
x-post
― scott seward, Sunday, 26 July 2009 23:52 (fifteen years ago) link
"The Metal That's Most Comfortable For Me and then champion it as The Most Awesome Metal when they kinda don't know what they're talking about"
it might be the most awesome to them NOW. and maybe it always will be. maybe some people don't want to delve any deeper. i've got no problem with that either.
― scott seward, Sunday, 26 July 2009 23:55 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah I was the same way when I got into post-black-metal metal! and I'm glad people told me "you don't know what the fuck you're talking about" or I'd still be runnin around saying Amorphis was the best metal band of the mid-nineties
― Trey Tsongas (J0hn D.), Monday, 27 July 2009 00:02 (fifteen years ago) link
btw glad lj digs ordo ad chao that album slays, if you haven't copped gorgoroth ad majorem get to business man
― Trey Tsongas (J0hn D.), Monday, 27 July 2009 00:03 (fifteen years ago) link
I know you're gonna lol @ me because it is obviously the 10-minute avant-garde excursion, but listening to "Illuminate Eliminate" just now there was THE most awesome minimal build about 2 minutes in, working both with and against the blastbeats and the growls...god I can't help myself :(
Was really loving this shit before this song, honest, but game is being upped. Now it sounds like a helicopter. Oh my god.
Have ad majorem already, from a recommendation of yours back in '07. You told me I'd dig 'White Seed'. You were right. Now I need to hear the rest of the album properly, and get beyond the whole <3 Gaahl thing, into what the whole band were actually doing.
(High-pitched screams over a minimal backdrop going into a really evil new riff at the 7-minute mark = shit oh shit)
― country matters, Monday, 27 July 2009 00:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Seriously this is one of my top 5 BM songs.
― country matters, Monday, 27 July 2009 00:09 (fifteen years ago) link
And the rest of the top 5 has shit like Xasthur in it
― country matters, Monday, 27 July 2009 00:10 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm with you on illuminate eliminate I am not anti-experimental just pro-basics
you gotta kick that xasthur to the curb though dude
― Trey Tsongas (J0hn D.), Monday, 27 July 2009 00:10 (fifteen years ago) link
I think I'll reclassify Xasthur as dark ambient. Or funeral moan. Or something. I love it but it isn't really BM, it's operating under different sonic auspices.
Mayhem do this stuff so excitingly. There's so much subtle theatre. They ease or slam the throttle just the right amount at just the right time. I may vote for them with a sockpuppet. Really do <3 Nattens Madrigal so I'm sorta comfortable with my vote but if we're talking pure BM songwriting I think these guys might have Ulver beat.
― country matters, Monday, 27 July 2009 00:15 (fifteen years ago) link
for me it's all about transilvanian hunger
― EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT SHIT POPPIN OFF (latebloomer), Monday, 27 July 2009 00:15 (fifteen years ago) link
The two longest songs on the album are pulling out stops that were tantalisingly hinted at before. I really wanna get the other Mayhem albums now. I actually have (classic era) stuff by most of the artists in this list, and I do appreciate it when their songs come on shuffle. I just need to face the albums head-on now.
― country matters, Monday, 27 July 2009 00:18 (fifteen years ago) link
mayhem have a lot of bands beat. i voted for darkthrone though. just cuz i felt like it.
i love and/or appreciate pretty much everything ulver have done, and they made great black metal, but they are something else now and have been for ages.
and emperor made one of my top ten or twenty metal albums ever. but i still voted darkthrone.
― scott seward, Monday, 27 July 2009 00:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I like a lot of these bands a lot but can't see myself voting against darkthrone in many polls ever except maybe like a "best band that isn't darkthrone" poll & I'd probably vote darkthrone in that one too just to be an asshole
― Trey Tsongas (J0hn D.), Monday, 27 July 2009 00:22 (fifteen years ago) link
to me darkthrone's first few albums as a black metal band really capture the platonic essence of the genre, if there can be said to be one
― EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT SHIT POPPIN OFF (latebloomer), Monday, 27 July 2009 00:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Well, when I describe Blood Inside as my favourite album of the decade, I'm not for a second putting it in my metal top 100 - it isn't a metal album. It's not 'better' than metal, it's really just very different, with more conceptual affinity to Talk Talk (thanks Scott!) than uh Darkthrone (whom I will hear. Yes.) Shit, The Marriage Of Heaven And Hell was campy goth-industrial narration and that was 10 years ago
― country matters, Monday, 27 July 2009 00:28 (fifteen years ago) link
as far exemplifying shit id vote darkthrone but burzum are my favorite band out of these bands all told and considered, though ordo ad chao is probably my favorite album by any of these people and if gorgoroth were in the poll i'd vote them anyway
― kid cruti (roxymuzak), Monday, 27 July 2009 00:29 (fifteen years ago) link
as far AS exemplifying shit, now dont that beat all
lol mclusky came on after ordo ad chao ended and it was like a burst of poppy sunshine as all the children linked hands and blew kisses at each other
― country matters, Monday, 27 July 2009 00:32 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe deep down that is what mclusky is but still lol
i never listen to enslaved. or satyricon. though i like them fine when i hear them. i listen to every other band on here at least once or twice a year. honestly, i listen to more death metal and grind than anything else. and a lot of old metal via tapes. most of the black metal i hear these days is new stuff i get in the mail from people like moribund and most doesn't make much of an impression. and some of the u.s. shoegaze drone bm stuff i end up liking a lot. but not much. i liked that first brown jenkins album. um, some other stuff.
― scott seward, Monday, 27 July 2009 00:39 (fifteen years ago) link
someone brought in a box of metal tapes to the store to sell and i was so happy to find the 2nd S.O.B. album on Rise Above in there! Woo Hoo! I blasted that shit. how often do you see old S.O.B. tapes!?
also i just kept playing Dark Angel's Darkness Descends on tape over and over all week. what a record. sheesh.
― scott seward, Monday, 27 July 2009 00:46 (fifteen years ago) link
scott have you heard the new blut aus nord
cause that thing is awesome
― Trey Tsongas (J0hn D.), Monday, 27 July 2009 01:00 (fifteen years ago) link
as far as black metal goes, i will confess that my knowledge of the first FRENCH wave is lacking. i need more. i'm just cheap and i hate downloading stuff. i would totally pay someone like gottpunch to burn me a cdr series of some of that stuff. or a lot of that stuff. old drakkar releases. vlad tepes. torgeist. stuff like that. i love the stuff i've heard over the years on the internet (like on youtube and last fm) and elsewhere. i don't know why i don't just learn how to burn shit on my own. it's like a thing with me. a mental block.
suggestions too for stuff to look for online. some of that stuff has never been reissued. just bootlegged endlessly.
― scott seward, Monday, 27 July 2009 01:02 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't think i have heard the new blut. i'm a fan though.
― scott seward, Monday, 27 July 2009 01:03 (fifteen years ago) link
2nd on the Blut Aus Nord. But if I had to make my 2009 metal list it'd be fighting it out with Funeral Mist for #3. Madder Mortem has #1 by a ways.
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 27 July 2009 01:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Mike from YOB tells me that this new Australian band Portals is sort of a Blut Aus Nord/Immolation hybrid. Check out their freaking costumes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emrBZZtGFgI
― Nate Carson, Monday, 27 July 2009 03:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Portal is one of the freakiest bands on the planet.
― A. Begrand, Monday, 27 July 2009 03:35 (fifteen years ago) link
portal album made my top 20 decibel list. it made most people's year-end lists. it was great.
― scott seward, Monday, 27 July 2009 03:50 (fifteen years ago) link
New one forthcoming, too, apparently...
― A. Begrand, Monday, 27 July 2009 03:55 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost - i was just curious to hear some of the more experimental bands, thats all - ive listened to a fair amount of the stuff mentioned on this thread from venom/hellhammer onwards, but the sheer amount of info on the internet on BM has me defeated, so i thought some recommendations might be helpful. i don't think there is ever any one correct way to get into a musical genre.
― squirrelbait, Monday, 27 July 2009 06:28 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost: The first wave French "Legions Noires" stuff is essential, and some of their wildest recordings came out as tape-only side projects. Good selection at the Cosmic Hearse blog.
Discovering a genre retrospectively is a strange experience. I came in on the back of Black One, but I do feel it's essential to dig back to the roots. Knowing punk pretty much from the ground up, I can appreciate the irritation with people who come out with the equivalent of "Green Day are just the greatest ever . ." But, at the end of the day, you like what you like, and I do like Xasthur.
The upside is that there is so much to explore out there. Looking at the list, I still don't think I've covered enough to make an informed choice. Of the big four, I'm aware that most of the nowadays Black Metal I like is footnotes to side one of Filosem, but I'm leaning towards Immortal: frosty production, mad riffs and fanatical, single-minded attitude. You get to the end of an album, and just want to play it all over again.
― Soukesian, Monday, 27 July 2009 08:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Nothing is wrong with Xasthur. No one has to apologize for liking him whatever J0hn D thinks.
― He was only 21 years old when he 16 (Alex in SF), Monday, 27 July 2009 12:39 (fifteen years ago) link
john is only jealous because xasthur is a better breakdancer.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 27 July 2009 12:50 (fifteen years ago) link
both Xasthur & Green Day are actually fine btw
― Trey Tsongas (J0hn D.), Monday, 27 July 2009 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link
nah wait that was another BM dude wasnt it. Oh well, john's still jealous as there's 2 better breakdancers than him.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 27 July 2009 12:54 (fifteen years ago) link
my style is impetuous
― Trey Tsongas (J0hn D.), Monday, 27 July 2009 12:55 (fifteen years ago) link
but can you do what Immortal do?http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/MMMMMMM_Pie/Miscellaneous/ImmortalSurfing.jpg
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 27 July 2009 12:56 (fifteen years ago) link
you know what's surprising to me is that the picture marduk had taken of themselves, shirtless by the pacific ocean - which century media sent out to everybody circa '04 I think - hasn't gotten the play that those immortal press photos have. can't even find 'em online but I remember getting sent them
― Trey Tsongas (J0hn D.), Monday, 27 July 2009 13:03 (fifteen years ago) link
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp274/Dissociation_Drummer/immortal-YMCA.jpg
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 27 July 2009 13:09 (fifteen years ago) link
People come on here an angst about whether listening to a lot of BM will cause them to develop dubious political leanings.
Actually, all that happens is that Immortal stop looking silly. (Or at least no sillier than Funkedelic, Kraftwerk, Magma . . )
― Soukesian, Monday, 27 July 2009 13:13 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.exraven.net/blackmetal/norwegian/darkthrone/images/darkthrone666.jpg
best band logo ever?
― original bgm, Monday, 27 July 2009 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Mayhem's is pretty good:
http://www.legaljuice.com/MAYHEM.gif
― He was only 21 years old when he 16 (Alex in SF), Monday, 27 July 2009 14:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Sorry BM bands, but I vote for Einstürzende Neubauten's logo.
― StanM, Monday, 27 July 2009 14:31 (fifteen years ago) link
xp. Check out how kvlt my bedroom window is
http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv105/NAPOLEONROFL/DSC00400.jpg
― De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Monday, 27 July 2009 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link
imo the best two logos in any genre are slam-o-ram-A & korganthurus
slam-o-ram-A:
http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/l_1a6705a3185a20cba5f4ed766f0c59a2.png
korganthurus:
http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/634p23wef.jpg
― Trey Tsongas (J0hn D.), Monday, 27 July 2009 15:26 (fifteen years ago) link
i would be posting more on here but i fear what other mod subs dan has cooked up for me, like mayhem is going to come up as a chicken dance youtube
― wax onleck, wax affleck (jjjusten), Monday, 27 July 2009 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link