^definitely, Owsley was an absolute legend. Also if you are remotely interested in him and have 30 minutes to spare, I urge you to watch this video (basically a freewheeling monologue where he reflects on his life and achievements):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geRXSVuPRhU
― J. Sam, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 22:10 (one year ago) link
there's very few mythic dead shows that you can't just hear in their entirety, speaking of early '73, 1973-02-24 university of iowa is transfixinghttps://archive.org/details/gd73-02-24.pset1-sbd.sly.16051.sbeok.shnf
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 21 July 2022 13:36 (one year ago) link
i saw DSO do 2/23/73, it was really wonderful. been fortunate to catch a 69 show, a 73, and one of the amazing ones from july 1976. not sure i could hang with a brent-era show
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 21 July 2022 17:43 (one year ago) link
My main Dead listening for years has been officially released live shows from 69-72, One from the Vault, a little 73-74, and a little 77.
I started this summer really focusing on 1973. Dick's Picks 1 (12/19/1973), 05/26/1973 and 11/14/1973 have been the ones that stuck with me.
Thanks for the tip on 2/23 and 2/24/1973.
Does anyone else listen to their birthday show (if they have one or have adopted one)? My (50th) birthday show is coming up in September and I've never listened to it, so I am saving that for the big day.
― doomposting is the new composting (PBKR), Thursday, 21 July 2022 20:10 (one year ago) link
xps Early 73 is a very sweet spot. The Dark Star -> Eyes of the World -> China Doll from 2/15/73 is one of the all-time great jam sequences imo. Unlike lots of Dark Stars from that era, this one never explodes or collapses into dissonance--just a lot of flowing liquid jazziness followed by one of the most listenable Phil solos, which is joined by Jerry and Billy in the last couple minutes for one of their most beautiful passages on tape.
They didn't play a show on my actual birthdate, but on that day in 74 they played the longest-ever "Playing in the Band" (which I believe is also the longest single version of any song they ever played). So I've got that going for me, which is nice. PBKR, September 72 is as good as it gets so whatever date your birthday falls on, you're in for a killer show.
― J. Sam, Thursday, 21 July 2022 21:04 (one year ago) link
apparently hardly anybody was touring on my birthdate! looking at the shows listed on etree: bruce springsteen was still touring "born to run". genesis were on their first post-peter gabriel tour with bill bruford on drums. there's a happy and artie traum show... maybe, they're marginal enough that there's a couple of different dates given for the same shows. peter brotzmann recorded a radio session, i have that tape and it's quite good. the main thing that seems to be circulated is a performance heart gave on a local PBS station - again, i don't know if that's the recording date or the broadcast date or what but it is a _delight_, i will say. look at that amazing scanimate/dissonant synth KWSU logo. i have a real soft spot for '70s PBS logos, they're _very_ much my aesthetic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp862e4vaug
i'm watching it now. heart fucking _kill_ it. immeediately right on with a huge witchy vibe and a flute solo out the damn gate. honestly what grabs me most is roger fisher's jacket. oh my god i want that jacket. '70s rock and roll fashion was amazing.
anyway i know what i'm doing for the next hour or so.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 21 July 2022 21:28 (one year ago) link
OH MY GOD THEY JUST SHOWED THE BASS PLAYER, seriously that top he's wearing was _not_ designed to be worn by a man and was _not_ designed to be worn on television, holy _fuck_ why did nobody tell me heart were this fucking amazing in '76, shit, is buckingham/nicks era fleetwood mac this rad?
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 21 July 2022 21:35 (one year ago) link
no, Heart rules over all
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Friday, 22 July 2022 02:15 (one year ago) link
so _that's_ what the moral of "metropolis" is about. fritz lang predicted the coming of _little queen_ fifty years before it happened! truly this man was a visionary genius. and here i thought the whole film was just some weird slashfic about edsel ford and janelle monae.
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 22 July 2022 02:39 (one year ago) link
70s era Heart is unbeatable
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 22 July 2022 16:06 (one year ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5Uw8A2ryDJNyaVOEBmg1eY?si=nSThBGbtR3SOBA_eveMpVwBig dicks picks compilation playlist maybe pretty much all you need
― calstars, Friday, 19 August 2022 01:19 (one year ago) link
new Dave's Picks, vol. 43 at Family Dog & Southern Methodist -- tapes of this have floated around I think but it's a super nice Bear recording with a full acoustic set, Workingman's tunes very early -- a great "High Time" and "Black Peter" -- really nice "Dark Star" -- pretty great volume
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 19 August 2022 01:37 (one year ago) link
xp idk if you're on the bus to the extent that you wanna hear all the Dick's Picks it's gonna be real hard to stop there. From my experience at least.
Q: Top 5 Dick's Picks?
For me it's 2, 11, 22, 33, and 36.
― J. Sam, Friday, 19 August 2022 01:43 (one year ago) link
Oh yeah, new Dave's Picks is the best in a while. Two late-69 Dark Stars? I'll take it.
― J. Sam, Friday, 19 August 2022 01:44 (one year ago) link
btw thanks to Kate for that Heart show upthread -- they were my favorite band when I was a kid and to see them at that power level in such a small room is incredible
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 19 August 2022 01:49 (one year ago) link
Will check that, thanks. Looking for an Aug. 18 show, cos that's my birthday. Not seeing my birth year, and ones from late 80s, early 91s not so promising, so here's the most likely to be groovy: 8-18-70, at Fillmore West!https://archive.org/details/gd70-08-18.aud.yerys.1346.sbeok.shnf
http://archive.org/details/gd70-08-18.aud.yerys.1346.sbeok.shnf
Yeah, looks like it's the same tape, judging by link info---
― dow, Friday, 19 August 2022 02:04 (one year ago) link
Sorry, meant for the second one to be this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOW_0Xq2ak
― dow, Friday, 19 August 2022 02:06 (one year ago) link
One YouTube survivor, whose screen handle I can't paste for some reason:
Jerry keeps playing these insane improvised uniquely toned colored licks that he never played before or since, at these break neck speeds. They continue to blow my mind, in the moment, 51 years later. just smiling and shaking my head in wonderment. thanks again Okie. ('68 to '70)
― dow, Friday, 19 August 2022 02:10 (one year ago) link
Oh hell yeah 8/18/70 is a landmark show, properly kicking off the American Beauty era, which I think they were in the middle of recording at the time. It's got the first known performances of Truckin, Ripple, Brokedown Palace, and Operator in the acoustic set and a ripping electric set with a top-shelf Dancing in the Street. And it sounds pretty good for an audience tape from 1970.
― J. Sam, Friday, 19 August 2022 02:25 (one year ago) link
Operator was such a fun tune, sucks that they only played it like four times
― J. Sam, Friday, 19 August 2022 02:30 (one year ago) link
A+ revive, lots to investigate, thanks all
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Friday, 19 August 2022 02:32 (one year ago) link
Also happy birthday dow!
― J. Sam, Friday, 19 August 2022 02:47 (one year ago) link
Thanks! (Just ate way too much Oreo ice cream cake, annual ritual)
― dow, Friday, 19 August 2022 02:50 (one year ago) link
"Operator" was written by Pigpen!
Indeed, but Pigpen was still playing in the band for almost two years after "Operator" debuted--plenty of opportunities to play it. Apparently they really did only play it four times, the last on 11/8/70. Similar trajectory to "Till the Morning Comes" (played five times from September to December 1970). I get why the latter was dropped so quickly (imo the weakest track on American Beauty and solidly "of its era" vs. the timeless cosmic Americana of the rest of the album). But "Operator" was a fun/funky lil Pigpen feature. Not sure what the issue was...
― J. Sam, Friday, 19 August 2022 04:57 (one year ago) link
these mixes are fantastic, especially if you're a little wary of the Dead's vocals, haha:
https://saveyourface.posthaven.com/grateful-dead-improvisation-1972-1974
― tylerw, Friday, 19 August 2022 14:52 (one year ago) link
I am in the middle of the biggest Dead dive in my life, so that sounds great, but this is laughable:
To me, this is where the Grateful Dead planted a flag that no one in the rock and jazz categories can dispute or directly compete with.
Dude needs to listen to some more jazz.
― Abel Ferrara hard-sci-fi elevator pitch (PBKR), Friday, 19 August 2022 16:15 (one year ago) link
haha well, what's grateful dead fandom without a little hyperbole
― tylerw, Friday, 19 August 2022 16:33 (one year ago) link
(xxxp I didn't mean to imply that Pig's writing "Operator" had something to do with their not playing it that much, just noting it as one of his rare contributions in that department, after reading the little xpost article about him as writer, which I found after being made curious by mention of the almost-posthumous tape in the Rolling Stone piece: both of those linked upthread)There's something to that Deadhead take, or at least I sometimes think of them as folk art, with so many genres and subgenres of 60s American music as parts of a big ol' quilting project, incl. job, still in progress, as they go ramblin' 'round, boys, as they go ramblin' round. (So not really rock or jazz per se, or entirely. The quilt is their flag.)
― dow, Friday, 19 August 2022 20:56 (one year ago) link
Just walked past an In This House We Believe sign that’s just a series of Dead lyrics.
― JoeStork, Saturday, 20 August 2022 16:14 (one year ago) link
was it this one?https://i.imgur.com/Wa4mYxO.jpg
― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Saturday, 20 August 2022 16:19 (one year ago) link
That’s the one!
― JoeStork, Saturday, 20 August 2022 16:30 (one year ago) link
is buckingham/nicks era fleetwood mac this rad?
I've been thinking about kate's question for a couple weeks now but in the context of mid-period FM and at moments I would say Fm made a better Pink Floyd album than Pink Floyd in 1971 and a better Grateful Dead album than the Grateful Dead in 1973.
― Abel Ferrara hard-sci-fi elevator pitch (PBKR), Tuesday, 23 August 2022 22:24 (one year ago) link
1. yeah but that's bob welch-era fm, i was asking about buckingham/nicks, who i've never really heard outside the radio hits and some stuff from "tusk"2. _future games_ RULES but pink floyd made _meddle_ in 1971. i can't take the idea that _future games_ is a better pink floyd album than the album with "echoes" on it seriously, sorry. i will grant that christine mcvie > rick wright, tho.3. not too familiar with the studio _wake of the flood_ or _mystery to me_. are we talking welch as bob weir here?
can someone throw up a list of all of christine mcvie's fleetwood mac songs pre-1975? i want to make a playlist out of them, i should give her work a good proper listen
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 00:20 (one year ago) link
that sounds excellent, brb
― sleeve, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 00:29 (one year ago) link
FG:Morning RainShow Me A Smile
BT:Homeward BoundSpare Me A Little Of Your Love
Penguin:Remember MeDissatisfied
MTM:Believe MeJust Crazy LoveThe Way I FeelWhy
Heroes:Heroes Are Hard To FindCome A Little Bit CloserBad LoserProve Your Love
there are two co-writes as well but those are the ones w/sole credit
― sleeve, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 00:34 (one year ago) link
14 tracks, would make a damn good album
― sleeve, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 00:35 (one year ago) link
sry to derail from the Dead but Christine rules
in other GD news, it's the 50th anniversary (more or less) of Sunshine Daydream/Nancy's Benefit/Veneta OR gig
― sleeve, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 00:36 (one year ago) link
still legendary around these parts and I still eat Nancys yogurt on a daily basis
― sleeve, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 00:37 (one year ago) link
_future games_ RULES but pink floyd made _meddle_ in 1971. i can't take the idea that _future games_ is a better pink floyd album than the album with "echoes" on it seriously, sorry. i will grant that christine mcvie > rick wright, tho.
I am probably irrational here, but FM has a better rhythm section, a better guitarist (or two), and better singers than PF. I would take Sands of Time over any PF song - it is the best.
― Abel Ferrara hard-sci-fi elevator pitch (PBKR), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 00:50 (one year ago) link
Christine does rule.
More to the point of the thread, Veneta, OR was the second Dead show I ever downloaded from archive.org and I am totally going to listen to that Saturday.
― Abel Ferrara hard-sci-fi elevator pitch (PBKR), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 00:51 (one year ago) link
I’m no student of this band, but have dipped into this set and am really enjoying the float.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Theatre,_St._Louis,_MO_12-10-71
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 21:03 (one year ago) link
That's a great show, one of my favorites of the latter of '71. The official release does a great job of emphasizing Keith's work.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 21:07 (one year ago) link
🙂
The stage banter is so gentle.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 21:17 (one year ago) link
Speaking of Keith, way upthread here (or maybe it's the one about Dick's Picks etc.), somebody mentions a good show incl. him *and* Pigpen---yall know which one that is---?
― dow, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 21:47 (one year ago) link
Dunno what was referenced, but the 5/26/72 show that was recently given a standalone official release is a good one that has both of them pretty clear in the mix.
12/4/71 is a good one for both of them too, iirc.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 21:51 (one year ago) link
They’re both on all of the Europe ‘72 shows. (they’re not all great, but some are absolutely all-time. My personal fave is Düsseldorf 4/24/72.)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 21:53 (one year ago) link
Glad to know it wasn't just the one, thanks yall!
― dow, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 21:59 (one year ago) link
― sleeve
super rad, thanks sleeve :)
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 22:07 (one year ago) link
https://www.dead.net/playingintheband cool idea even if you don't play along.
― BrianB, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 23:23 (one year ago) link