Are white people who say "I don't like hip hop" yet listen to it when white people make it really saying "i don't like black people"?

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Yes, it probably is going too far but that's the position Merritt put himself in by preemptively running off at the mouth. The WMDs were not to be found in Cee Lo's song.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 15 May 2006 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link

That said, I never wanted to get involved in an "OMG Racist!" debate about Merritt, who I do not believe is a racist, but rather an opinionated fellow who says in front of journalists what he'd say to friends in a bar. However, I think we've all given Mr. Merritt more benefit of the doubt than he did to Cee Lo, and that particular comment in the Salon piece was, frankly, cruel and disgusting.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 15 May 2006 04:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Nobody wants this thread to continue, I know, but I wanted to point out an angle no one's brought up yet - Stephin Merritt's white-rasta Virgin-Islands-folksinger dad, Scott Fagan. Discussion here:

http://www.zoilus.com/documents/in_depth/2006/000761.php

carl w (carl w), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

hmmm. very interesting.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

that's very strange footnote.

punis (punis), Monday, 15 May 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, Carl - fascinating.

Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I found it amusing that when that album came out, the other members of Goodie Mob stuck to claims that the title, cover, etc., were not digs at Cee-Lo.

Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 02:01 (eighteen years ago) link

'its a composite that refers to lots of monkeys... cee-lo could be one of the monkeys...'

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I wanna see that chimpanzee square off against the horse from The Notorious Byrd Brothers.

Stupornaut (natepatrin), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://www.theroot.com/blogs/dig/joaquin-phoenix-rap-career-rumored-be-bull

Here's my question: why do people continue to use black culture as a place to play and get their kicks? There are some serious hip hop artists out there [Lupe Fiasco, etc], plunging deep into their souls and culture, posing questions about our times, and helping reshape the consciousness of a generation. Even the so-called "bling-rappers" are attempting to articulate the reality or pursuit of a consumer-rich life. But some whites [and others] think it's cool-beans to mock the art form by placing themselves in it and showing the world how horribly they understand or absorb it. Who cares! Why is there a platform for this? Why do some whites continue to think mocking blackness is a way to make a buck or get attention? I know this is a bit extreme, maybe, but it's a form of blackface. Yeh, I said it. Blackface. If the rumor is true [and I'm sure it is] I'm disappointed in Joaquin. Here's some advice for Joaquin and others like him: Play somewhere else! Blackface is passe!

and what, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link

[Lupe Fiasco, etc] solid username material

bnw, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Has there been a thread on this subject yet?

bnw, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:12 (fifteen years ago) link

i thought the beat on that one joaquin joint was aight

crackers is biters (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 30 January 2009 16:27 (fifteen years ago) link

some white people might be saying that. or they might just be more receptive something that is more in tune with white culture. ie. eminem as opposed to say, redman or whoever.

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 30 January 2009 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link

― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene),

better than 10 superbowls! (PappaWheelie V), Friday, 30 January 2009 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link

If I identify with Redman moreso than Eminem, does that mean I am black?

The Reverend, Saturday, 31 January 2009 03:56 (fifteen years ago) link

"plunging deep into their souls and culture"

nicky lo-fi, Saturday, 31 January 2009 05:22 (fifteen years ago) link

back before I registered here I would read threads like this all the way through and wonder what I would say if given the opportunity.

james k polk, Saturday, 31 January 2009 05:43 (fifteen years ago) link

"If I identify with Redman moreso than Eminem, does that mean I am black?"

im not sure im too concerned. either way, you cant overlook the fact that eminems 'white' take on rap is what got him over to so many people who probably wouldnt like redman.

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 1 February 2009 11:16 (fifteen years ago) link

now is your chance, james k polk

dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Sunday, 1 February 2009 11:27 (fifteen years ago) link

I have never met one of these people, have you?

thirdalternative, Sunday, 1 February 2009 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Does Redman still live in that duplex with his cousins crashing on the first floor and the money jar to buy groceries with?

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 1 February 2009 18:18 (fifteen years ago) link

There's much more to Beck and TV On The Radio musically than just hip-hop (I mean, hip-hop is just one out of several influences), but white people who dislike rap and are heavily into Eminem and Beastie Boys you may wonder about.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 1 February 2009 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link

http://i43.tinypic.com/29pbyuo.jpg

TACO BIZZLE (The Reverend), Sunday, 1 February 2009 22:21 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://mikedoesthings.com/?attachment_id=45

nakhchivan, Monday, 1 August 2011 02:45 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

irish

potato originated in Peru fyi

fuckin white people...

― I saw Mike Love walk by a computer once (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 September 2011 22:55 (Yesterday)

diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Thursday, 15 September 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link

White people even say, "Pete Rock is bitchin"

Like Tito, white kids think I'm neato

(J Ro on "Pass Out")

any more of these?

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

his forte causes caucasians to say

symsymsym, Saturday, 17 September 2011 03:56 (twelve years ago) link

it comes down to how much people associate a group's image with whether they like them or not

i don't wanna say i'm "above image", but i can succesfully ignore a lot of what a band/group/whatever "stands for" and appreciate them on a musical level. dudes who only listen to beastie boys still prolly can't shake this.

Hullo, I'm Jon Moss (kelpolaris), Sunday, 18 September 2011 05:15 (twelve years ago) link

my guess is beastie boys-only fans prefer the music from their more boorish days, so problematic image doesn't seem a likely culprit.

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 18 September 2011 05:24 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

"to white boys I'm rad"

--Pismo, "Artform"

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 October 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

i dont think there's anything wrong with liking the Beasties but not really being a hip-hop fan - the Beasties aren't really like anyone else out there

frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

lol

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link


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