grime in 2004

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martin - you've heard the roll deep album yeah? do you know what the hell is going on with roll deep using the maisonettes' (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:16ke4jn70wav~T1) Heartache Avenue on the album? It's one of the strangest things i've heard to come out of grime. Is it going to be on the final record? I either love it or hate it. I'm still not sure despite listening to it on repeat for about 10 times.

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

dunno if ambrose got it up or not but i have the eastwood peel set up on the seek

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

whats your username myke?

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

boomnoise!zoo

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Fwd Riddim is great! It's like a perkier, friendlier version of "Rat Race".

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

dunno if ambrose got it up

i am stil lworking on it but realised that i dont even have all of it so maybe its not worth the bother. do you mind if i get it off you myke?

i am full of shit i guess.

ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Myke: i have no idea what will be on the final Roll Deep LP, i' m guessing they dont either. they only just signed to Relentless and as it's not due out till late spring/summer i'm guessing they'll do a whole bunch of new tracks as well.

where did you get a copy of the track from? is it online?

martin (martin), Monday, 8 November 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i like grime a LOT (in spite of my slightly shit-stirring posts - i just do them to argue things over in my head) but i find it slightly strange that its leading champions have so little remotely critical to say about it. i mean, even the kids at rewind have a less adoring eye over it all.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 8 November 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

feel free ambrose et al.

martin: i have something which is pretending to be the roll deep album - i recognise a lot of the tracks but a few i don't. like the aforementioned.

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link

they only just signed to Relentless

What happened to the story that Roll Deep were with Island Records and an album was imminent?

JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

For those not in the know:

http://www.chantellefiddy.blogspot.com/

Top stuff indeed

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Chantelle is so great.

adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

What do people reckon to "Boogeyman"?

adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

boogeyman is ok. the rapping seems a bit too lacksadacsical.

after checking that blog, chantelle is quite fit actually.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

erm...

adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

its still appropriate for this post!

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Boogey man is genius. comedy baroque-electro-grime. "i sleep in my hooded jim jams!"

martin (martin), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

For those who dont want to be in the know:

Blackdownsoundboy

martin (martin), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Just got back from London and grabbed these grime and sub-lo 12"s at Uptown Records:

white label called "Invade" (really buzzy and dark)
one sided white label called "Thug Ho" (super awesome, very gappy and chopped)
and some Jon E. Cash 12"s on Black Ops:
"Evil" (like, evil, man), "Champagne Hoes" (killer hi pitched vocoder vox at end)

fun fun fun

Drew Daniel, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Is "Thug Ho" the bootleg of Skepta's "Thuggish Ruggish" with Dizzee's "Ho"?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link

that unorthodox track 'no help no handouts' is in my blog and active for like four more days.

http://razorbladerunner.blogspot.com

yes i'm shameless

also, the god's gift white label cut over the mondie beat, is this shit super old? either way, it's fuckin pretty awesome. it's currently a road rage anthem. "i love grime and i love gore/ and i love puttin' blood all over the floor"

Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry for crashing your thread but Martin directed me back here and I couldn't leave without asking for your input... I'm looking to run some 'underground dance' top 5's/ comments in my end of year column for B&S so was wondering whether any of you would be up for submitting something. I'd also like to mention a few blogs worth checking out, I'm not to up on all this yet and haven't had the time to dedicate but I'm trying, honest guv!! If you're up for it please post them http://www.chantellefiddy.blogspot.com/ or drop me an email. Keep it gully! (One day I'm actually going to read the whole of this thread...)

Chantelle Fiddy, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

just heard roll deep have signed a giant deal with relentless.

dunno what happened to lethal b's FWD riddim in the singles chart - i thought it was predicted to go top ten.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Wiley announced the deal last month at Fabric. FWD is now called POW and is out in January (when it doesnt take many sales to chart).

martin (martin), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:15 (nineteen years ago) link

didnt know he announced it last month - i just read about it at rwd.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i was pissed off when i heard they're waiting till january. the hype peaked ages ago. maybe they're wiser than me, i dunno.

that elliot ness got over a hundred missed calls for his special of that about 2 months ago. now he probably don't even get one. and still they want to wait? i dunno, it doesn't make sense to me.

practice hours is a good dvd to get though. you really feel for ruff squad on it. they're complaining about how everyone else makes one big tune and breaks through, they#'ve made 100 big tunes and no one likes them. i love them though and i know you do too.

great lethal b vs wiley footage. worth it just for the outfits. wiley has got some outfits.

l......., Tuesday, 23 November 2004 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

ok so practice hours is out?

then what about these cds/dvds?

- run the road (yeah, ive seen the OMM review, when can i buy it?)
- risky roads (ad for this has been there for ages, but where is it?)

dotn know if i will ever buy any 12"'s again, think i might just stick to cds and mixtapes etc

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

When is the Ruff Sqwad tape out??

adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Run the Road is scheduled for January 24.

JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Ruff Sqwad's full vocal version of Anna is BIG!
Also their track called 'Alright' has an excellent skit intro - apparently to be featured on their Album (distinct from mixtape I believe).

thsmrtlsnd, Wednesday, 24 November 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry but going from the OMM RTR review and his own books, simon reynolds doesnt really seem to like hip hop of any sort, so all the rhetoric about grime being the real uk hip hop is bollocks coming from him. he couldnt even quote the notorious big right in that OMM review - its not 'if you dont know, get to know', its 'if you dont know, now you know'.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

'POW' is fucking awesome. I've watched it over and over on Base.

B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

he couldnt even quote the notorious big right in that OMM review

Erm, Reynolds introduces the quote with to twist slightly the words...

JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

oooooops. *slaps forehead*

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

i think Run the Road will be out before Christmas in specialist garage shops...

martin (martin), Thursday, 25 November 2004 10:24 (nineteen years ago) link

is the tracklisting still the same?

splooge (thesplooge), Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:57 (nineteen years ago) link

how does the person who says it make a differnce? near enough all the MCs say the same thing, but they like hiphop, so is it still bollocks when they say it?

i think its true. its mc based and it comes from this country.

alright-ruff squad
i second that motion.

...., Thursday, 25 November 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Wiley - "Ice Cream Man" is hott.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"i think Run the Road will be out before Christmas in specialist garage shops..."

:( Which is a nice way of saying "screw you USA".

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

rinse FM was hot last night. d double was on. i was taping it all but my tapes got fucked up so missed half of it which was quite dissapointing.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

There's already rumoured to be a couple of other major labels now looking to compile 'Now Grime' compilations (well something of that description)... but on road look out for, among others...
- DJ Target Aim High Vol. 2 (CD/DVD) December
- Practice Hours (DVD) Out now!
- Roll Deep Creeper Vol. 1 (CD/DVD) Out when Wiley sorts his life out
- Risky Roadz (DVD) Out next week
- Lord Of The Decks Vol. 3 (CD/DVD) January/February
- Lord Of The Mics Vol. 2 (CD/DVD) February/March
- Bumper Pack (DVD) December

Lots of big vinyl and video's soon come too

Chantelle Fiddy, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:36 (nineteen years ago) link

half those cd/dvd releases have been advertised for years though. im starting to wonder if someone made the risky roads radio advert just for fun.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm despatching a mate of mine to rhythm division to pick stuff up for me before she comes out to singapore - what should I tell her to get? what's currently in the shops?

Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 06:57 (nineteen years ago) link

chantelle - when is ruff sqwad's 'guns and roses' mixtape coming out?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 10:20 (nineteen years ago) link

"i think Run the Road will be out before Christmas in specialist garage shops..."

:( Which is a nice way of saying "screw you USA".

-- Alex in SF (clobberthesauru...), November 30th, 2004

what, you too big to order from Rhythm division online?

martin (martin), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 10:59 (nineteen years ago) link

First copies of Risky Roadz will definitely be in next week, the master copy has already been switching hands, rapidly.

Aside from Practice Hours I'm unsure what else is in stock (depends on the day) but there are loads more mixtapes coming supposedly around xmas/new year - Jammer's Destruction, Terror Danjah's After Shock, Logan Sama 2, Bossman Street Anthems 2, Split Mics... Will find out from Tinchy but as far as I'm aware their CD also drops before xmas. Can't wait to hear their album, but my fave track (Statik and Tinchy Stryder, with a girl singing in it) they hate so know sure what's going to happen to that! I would recommend everyone investing in Creeper on it's release.

chantelle Fiddy, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 11:21 (nineteen years ago) link

all about the Target n Discarda track on Creeper Vol 1. and the Eskimo 3 freestyle... innit Chan!

martin (martin), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

grime fights is the concept. its a dvd im making. its cage fights between some of the scenes biggest names.

i want to see a cage fight between discarda and the fat white hooligan from the southside allstars track. (i think its either niky s or nike) the one who spits his verse outside a pub surrounded by other fat scary white hooligans.

that would be brilliant.

i also want to see titch versus asher d, cos asher d gets on my nerves so i;ll put him in a cage with titch.

and riko versus jonny cash.

what other fights do people want me to get on my dvd

l..., Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck Rolldeep. It's all about Shifty Ridahz - 1999! He tells the whole Ruff Skwad story over a mad Scholar guitar beat. Scholar said that if you call him or Rapid the other night they'd send out burned copies of Gunz n Roses.

What's that mental Essentials riddim that's like the south version of forward? Headquarters riddim I think, its big. Narsty's new tune is heavy still. What do people think of So What and Foreign Format from south? There should be a big piece forthcoming on govt names about south grime, keep your eyes peeled.

mad sick head nah good, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

xxxxpost, i dont know how people can dislike god's gift.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link


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