also tired of 'get off my lawn' being used in writing as a joeky "lol see I'm self-aware of how pretentious and shallow my criticisms are, ergo it negates that criticism"
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Thursday, 3 November 2022 13:59 (one year ago) link
idk his criticisms seem pretty pointed and evidenced? maybe it depends on whether you see sault's self-presentation and public engagement practices as slick marketing techniques or, idk, sincere enigmatisation of the artistic process
― imago, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:02 (one year ago) link
I agree with a few points, but that piece is a firehose of opinions4u, some of which are quite bullshit (the Albarn hunch is basically racist)
― rob, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:03 (one year ago) link
idk I find it hard to square complaining that "it's just marketing" with "it devalues music" like which is it
― rob, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:04 (one year ago) link
also it is quite clearly a review of the release method rather than the music
yeah the Albarn hunch + the cast-of-thousands stuff sells Inflo way short
― imago, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:04 (one year ago) link
I don't have any opinions on Sault whatsoever and my reaction to seeing I could download some albums for free was "hmm, that's nice, I might have to check that out"
writing that many words seems to indicate this was meant to be something remarkable to someone, his retort is "this isn't remarkable, maybe the music isn't good, maybe this is marketing"
why would someone think it's remarkable? oh, because it's covered by music news. who thinks music news is remarkable? people who write about music. who is feeding into this being something worthy of comment? the guy writing an overly long bit about how it's nothing
― mh, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:06 (one year ago) link
ultimately the artist decides how much they want to sell their music for, one collective giving the shit away for free doesn't mean Anal Stabwound's career is over because nobody will ever pay for his music again.
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:06 (one year ago) link
like maybe it is a nice thing to give people some downloads and it's also marketing"it's very 90s" oh ok so you've seen this happen before, wonder if anyone's written about album giveaways before
― mh, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:07 (one year ago) link
my theory was that Sault's game was flooding the listening-time of critics just when they should be recapping 2022 lol
― imago, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:09 (one year ago) link
also daerest Nikhil, childe of death, won't be short of sponsorship I suspect
― imago, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:10 (one year ago) link
ultimately the artist decides how much they want to sell their music forwell, I wouldn't go that far!
Byt yeah you should know you're getting too huffily defensive when you're including "Untitled is not a title" in your list of complaints. That said, I don't think that's a terrible piece of writing really, just smug & unfocused; I mean it's a blog post from someone I've never heard of (maybe he's known to you all?).
This, otoh, took years off my life expectancy: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-case-for-listening-to-complete-discographies
― rob, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:10 (one year ago) link
damn that new yorker article is playing all the hits
― mh, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:13 (one year ago) link
my theory was that Sault's game was flooding the listening-time of critics just when they should be recapping 2022 lol― imago, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:09 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― imago, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:09 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
this is good then: critics shd spend far less time (= none at all) "recapping 2022" or indeed any other year past or future
― mark s, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:14 (one year ago) link
EOEOY
― mark s, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:15 (one year ago) link
catching up on things they'd missed is surely fine?
― imago, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:16 (one year ago) link
releasing something during a year end wrap-up season or awards season to keep it fresh in mind? wow never heard of that
next thing you know, albums will start coming out early in the year right before summer touring season and ticket sales
― mh, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:23 (one year ago) link
A few good points, a few bad ones. The article is as scattershot as SAULT's latest batch of material. DO YOU SEE
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:45 (one year ago) link
Maybe...it IS Sault.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:47 (one year ago) link
It's a Sault of sorts
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:48 (one year ago) link
A Sault with a deadly Pepa
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Thursday, 3 November 2022 15:04 (one year ago) link
andrew dobber morelike
― manic pixie dream shatner (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 3 November 2022 15:08 (one year ago) link
Why isn't his blog called Dub and Dubber?
― jmm, Thursday, 3 November 2022 15:13 (one year ago) link
i really don't understand the "sault is a jam band" thing like at all
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 November 2022 15:16 (one year ago) link
sault is a jam bandsomeone talking junkyo i bust 'im in the eyeand then I take the punk's blog
― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 3 November 2022 15:25 (one year ago) link
He's not from America; he doesn't understand the American definition of "jam band." He seems to mean that their songs feel like loose jams halfway thrown together right before someone presses the record button.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 3 November 2022 15:26 (one year ago) link
the "actually it's not just available for 5 days" bit was so petty and pedantic, who fucking cares?
― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 3 November 2022 15:59 (one year ago) link
No, you see, it will *always* be available. All you have to do is download and run torrenting software, then rip and upload lots of rare CDs to build a good enough ratio to download five albums
― insane oatmeal raisin cookie posse (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 November 2022 16:11 (one year ago) link
Is that why I was never able to figure out how to torrent? I didn't upload anything first? what the hell is that bitcoin shit just gimme my rare music
― Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 3 November 2022 17:22 (one year ago) link
y/s/I?
― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 3 November 2022 17:26 (one year ago) link
why torrent when slsk exists?
― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 3 November 2022 17:28 (one year ago) link
Shit I just paid $50 to jump the queue and now u tell me this
― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 3 November 2022 17:30 (one year ago) link
Gawd, that New Yorker article… I can’t do it, even as a “hate read”
― Reese's Pisces Iscariot (morrisp), Thursday, 3 November 2022 19:16 (one year ago) link
lol yeah it's brutal, I was amazed it was published in 2022.
After I binged the new-ish High Fidelity tv adaptation, I thought about starting a "Rockism 2.0" thread but that nyer piece convinced me not to
― rob, Thursday, 3 November 2022 19:34 (one year ago) link
No rockist would prefer the Beach Boys' 1985 self-titled album to Pet Sounds.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 3 November 2022 19:41 (one year ago) link
it's a middle-aged symphony to rum
― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 3 November 2022 19:45 (one year ago) link
tbf that actually sounds way better than a teen-aged symphony to god
― rob, Thursday, 3 November 2022 19:47 (one year ago) link
this reads like someone who just ate at Olive Garden and didn't get enough parm
― | (Latham Green), Thursday, 3 November 2022 19:54 (one year ago) link
the psychotic heavy hitting trainspotters on slsk who don’t let you download anything and shame you for existing >>>>> torrenters with perfect logs and optimal ratio
― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Thursday, 3 November 2022 19:59 (one year ago) link
let's just say they're all terrible people
― wearing wraparounds (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2022 20:04 (one year ago) link
Sault is a jam bandby which we measure five daysI'll say it again
― budo jeru, Thursday, 3 November 2022 20:10 (one year ago) link
Try to make ends meet
You're a slave to money and you're dumb
― blissfully unawarewolf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 3 November 2022 20:30 (one year ago) link
The style of that New Yorker article was bleh and the guy is smug as fuck but when we do albums polls around here, losing myself in an artist does feel… good.
― poppin' debussy (the table is the table), Saturday, 5 November 2022 02:25 (one year ago) link
that new yorker piece was written by a nerd
ofc observing an artistic process develop over the course of years-to-decades is incredibly rewarding and i do it all the time, i spend next to no time recounting the revolutionary recording techniques employed in the beatles revolver as if no one has ever heard of them before
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 November 2022 03:59 (one year ago) link
listening to an artist's entire discography is great because it allowed me to realize that the beatles are pretty neat
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 November 2022 04:01 (one year ago) link
I admit, I like to do a discography "deep dive" occasionally. Some are casual: I just listen to each album/single/EP in chronological order over the course of a month or so. For artists I'm really interested in exploring, I'll get a bit more elaborate. I'll read a biography, use Rock's Back Pages for contemporary articles on the current album I'm listening to, find a live concert for that era. For the latter, I tend to stretch out so I'm not exclusively listening to one band all the time. The latter approach I usually use for bands I loved at one time, but haven't heard in years, and want to see how I feel as an adult. I can see why this approach would be unappealing though; it's treating an artist like a school subject, to sit down and research and plan out rather than just throwing on a record and enjoying it. What can I say, though: I'm a big history buff, so it suits me.
I saw Pavement last month, and it really reinvigorated my interest in them. I'd loved S&E and CRCR in my early 20s but am unfamiliar with other albums, and know little of their b-sides etc. I've been doing their discography since then and it's rewarding to find "new" favorite tracks from a familiar artist.
― blatherskite, Saturday, 5 November 2022 15:46 (one year ago) link
Deep dives are great, it’s just the writing in that piece that’s ridiculous.
― Reese's Pisces Iscariot (morrisp), Saturday, 5 November 2022 15:55 (one year ago) link
Or thinking deep dives is interesting enough to warrant a New Yorker article!
― insane oatmeal raisin cookie posse (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 5 November 2022 16:04 (one year ago) link
I get what the writer is trying to say with this review of the new Hammock; I'm mostly curious what language it was translated out of.
For those new to Hammock, they are a dynamic duo comprised of Marc Byrd and Andrew Thompson from Nashville. They already have quite a substantial catalogue behind them; twelve releases strong already infact. Their previous work has managed to get them noticed by big time pedlars of cinematic ‘dreamscape rock’ Sigur Rós, who have subsequently worked together.Kicking the whole thing off with the aptly named track ‘Procession’, the band slowly make an entrance with a slow and steady build up. It is minimal and yet conveys everything they are about all at once. Delicately played guitar melodies softly grace the listeners ears. We are transported to their kingdom. It is gradual as if guided by hand through the gates into the domain of dream. By the time one has arrived the many layers of delicate guitar and subsequent echoes surround. There are no drums yet, which just creates the most beautifully subtle sensation of suspense.What comes next? Their album title track and it is juicy. In come the drums (which alternate somewhere between the dream-popiness of Cigaretts for Sex and certain Mogwai works in their style), in comes the distortion, and agonizingly beautiful crescendos. The melodies are haunting and soft. The slow pace coupled with the title of the track create images of longing, one heart calling out into the emptiness for another. The overall arrangement of the album is sweeping and romantic. The production quality is so delicious it is almost edible. Everything sits perfectly in the mix.
Kicking the whole thing off with the aptly named track ‘Procession’, the band slowly make an entrance with a slow and steady build up. It is minimal and yet conveys everything they are about all at once. Delicately played guitar melodies softly grace the listeners ears. We are transported to their kingdom. It is gradual as if guided by hand through the gates into the domain of dream. By the time one has arrived the many layers of delicate guitar and subsequent echoes surround. There are no drums yet, which just creates the most beautifully subtle sensation of suspense.
What comes next? Their album title track and it is juicy. In come the drums (which alternate somewhere between the dream-popiness of Cigaretts for Sex and certain Mogwai works in their style), in comes the distortion, and agonizingly beautiful crescendos. The melodies are haunting and soft. The slow pace coupled with the title of the track create images of longing, one heart calling out into the emptiness for another. The overall arrangement of the album is sweeping and romantic. The production quality is so delicious it is almost edible. Everything sits perfectly in the mix.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 26 January 2023 10:23 (one year ago) link
that is the exact perfect reviewing style for that sort of music tbf
― imago, Thursday, 26 January 2023 10:28 (one year ago) link
unperson, author is a woman from Bahrain, living in London. Her mother is apparently a soul singer.
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Thursday, 26 January 2023 11:57 (one year ago) link