It's definitely debatable
― bible fumes (stevie), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 12:56 (one year ago) link
I prefer the word exfluence.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 13:02 (one year ago) link
Or effluence even.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 13:04 (one year ago) link
Meet me in the bathroom indeed.
LCD soundsystem got a bunch of headlining gigs at festivals around the world too but i don't think ppl really care about them like that.
Strictly anecdotal, but LCD is the only band out of this scene with any currency at all among my son and his friends. Not sure they’ve even heard of, like, Interpol, and if they know the Strokes it’s only as a vague bit of history.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 13:22 (one year ago) link
And coincidence or not, LCD *did* kind of anchor a scene, or sub-scene. At least that what DFA felt like to me. You could have "DFA night" (or whatever) at a club, or do a DFA tour. Most of the other acts around there then were just typical major label beneficiaries. We know about them and they got successful because they were highly, highly promoted and publicized, something that for obvious reasons just doesn't happen as much anymore.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 13:32 (one year ago) link
Am I the only one who even hates the title of this?
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 13:45 (one year ago) link
In a way I think the title is apt, because it suggests the superficiality and self-conscious scenesterism of people very impressed with themselves for doing cocaine, the dumbest drug.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 14:13 (one year ago) link
and Cheap Sex.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 14:13 (one year ago) link
Yeah. Like, in Please Kill Me, the sex and the drugs feel actually wild and apocalyptic. Not so much here.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 14:15 (one year ago) link
Plus, the music was more innovative.
― Chris L, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 14:45 (one year ago) link
xxxp I thought that line referred to meeting to hook up. It’s kind of a love song, yeah?
― Reese's Pisces Iscariot (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 15:06 (one year ago) link
Even as a song lyric I hear it as both, but as a scene-encompassing summary I feel like drugs are very much implied.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 15:13 (one year ago) link
I never actually listened to that song until just now. Made me want to put on "Sequestered in Memphis" instead for some reason.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 15:33 (one year ago) link
I didn't even know there was a song with that title, or those lyrics (never got into the Strokes). I always assumed it was a drug reference.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 16:23 (one year ago) link
I heard there was some artist interference in the edit of the movie, which is kind of hilarious when you think about how low stakes it all is really. Like if an already wafer-thin scene gets sanitized even more in the re-telling of it, you're not going to end up with much there.
― Position Position, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:11 (one year ago) link
Button-cuteRapier-keenWafer-thinAnd pauper-poor
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:45 (one year ago) link
most indie rock bands have horrible, thin, clicky hyper compressed drum sounds now, the lasting influence of the strokes
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:00 (one year ago) link
Meet me in the control booth.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:09 (one year ago) link
some nerd shit about how they got their sound
https://www.soundonsound.com/people/gordon-raphael-producing-strokes
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:13 (one year ago) link
Does anyone remember a recent novel about a WASP family and a babysitter and someone who used to hang out in Grand Central and Tompkins Square Park and had a loft apartment and there was some kind of heist involving a van?
― youn, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:15 (one year ago) link
Is that for this thread? Lol in any case.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:19 (one year ago) link
Was it written by an ILX0r?
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:21 (one year ago) link
Anyway, I’m starting to feel a bit like Johnny Mercer hating on The Beatles or something so maybe I should should just unbookmark this thread.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:23 (one year ago) link
I know it sounds like a horrible premise for meeting in the bathroom, but it is killing me that I can't remember the title (the cost of age or reading carelessly) especially because I think you might consider it worthy of passing interest.
― youn, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:36 (one year ago) link
xps i think the moldy peaches were really more of the "anti-folk" thing which was basically the artists who hung around the sidewalk cafe all day and watched each others' sets. they may have had a social connection to the strokes but they didn't play the same kinds of gigs afaik.
i think the influence of this stuff on local nyc artists was immediate and centralizing, i mean there were certain enclaves like the sidewalk and the tonic in the late 90's but mainly it was disparate, lots of individual artists pursuing their own thing. and then after the strokes in particular became huge, all these people started playing shows on ludlow street and many of them oriented their sound more in that direction. i remember several bands and artists who were unsigned/unrecorded and doing really exciting stuff turning more revisionist and eventually putting out kinda boring, disappointing records.
― "H to the Izzo" means "I love you" (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:44 (one year ago) link
I always thought of Tonic as much more avant and experimental.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:54 (one year ago) link
yeah it was the enclave for that "scene" iow.
― "H to the Izzo" means "I love you" (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:56 (one year ago) link
they may have had a social connection to the strokes but they didn't play the same kinds of gigs afaik.
Notwithstanding that the Moldy Peaches later opened for them on tour, right? (i.e., I assume you're talking about the early daze)
― Reese's Pisces Iscariot (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:05 (one year ago) link
The only notable thing about the strokes imo is that they named an album after the best Stevie nicks song
― calstars, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:27 (one year ago) link
Adam Green opened for the Strokes at the Mercury Lounge in 2000. I WAS THERE
― Josefa, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:36 (one year ago) link
^You rock!
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:43 (one year ago) link
xp i know they opened for the strokes, but i mean, i think they were still hanging out at the sidewalk cafe a good amount post-fame. that was almost like a songwriters' workshop feel, mostly solo acoustic artists who knew each others' material really well testing new songs in varying stages of completion and sticking around for hours afterward.
there was this one folk singer from the sidewalk cafe whose email list i was on, i think he played with adam green a lot- and around this time he formed a full band and sent out a joke email blast saying they were opening for the strokes at madison square garden.
― "H to the Izzo" means "I love you" (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:54 (one year ago) link
The groups I enjoyed most from that time aren’t covered in the book. Such acts as Moisturizer; Electro Putas; Crème Blush. Perhaps these groups were oriented more toward the Tonic scene, but they played various places.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:07 (one year ago) link
Isn't that almost always the way with scenes?
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:21 (one year ago) link
Yeah. But it also points out the kaleidoscopic nature of scenes. Scenes are defined a certain way based on the perspective you’re coming to them from. My scene was much different from Lizzie Goodman’s scene.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:28 (one year ago) link
Feel like I myself was already scened out, already scene-burned by this time. But à chacun son goût, I guess. Think maybe there’s a way to say it in English, can’t recall.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:29 (one year ago) link
Though there was definitely overlap
― Josefa, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:30 (one year ago) link
Morbs and I were pretty much the same age. I appreciated his take at the beginning of the thread.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:31 (one year ago) link
Also you don’t necessarily feel like you’re in a scene when it’s happening. It’s a pretty abstract concept. The passage of time makes people feel more wistful and that’s when they try to make sense of their own past, categorizing it or whatever.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:37 (one year ago) link
Does anyone remember a recent novel about a WASP family and a babysitter and someone who used to hang out in Grand Central and Tompkins Square Park and had a loft apartment and there was some kind of heist involving a van
This isn't Nell Zink's Doxology, is it?
― with hidden noise, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 06:03 (one year ago) link
you know i think i was at that "parking lot" event, though i don't recall it being a parking lot. it was, like, a vacant lot on the corner of a block in williamsburg. there were lots of big rocks. really big, like you could climb on them. i was there with my wife and remember thinking how adorable it is that young people have bands that yelp and flail around. i would not have predicted they'd build a movie around it 20 years later. i sort of can't believe it *is* 20 years later. but maybe it wasn't the same event? it was the same bands, though.
― Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 16:56 (one year ago) link
yeah "vacant lot" is how i'd characterize it. ilxor tracer hand was apparently also there and characterized it the same way:
The Liars - classic or dud
― Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 17:53 (one year ago) link
Is that the one where Shoplifting played or was that a different one?
― insane oatmeal raisin cookie posse (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 17:56 (one year ago) link
Actually I think that one was like two-three years later
i don't remember them but that's not saying much. these are the bands that played the year after:
‘OUTDOOR PARKING LOT’ Last summer, when the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and the Liars played a show in this same vacant lot, it was a total scenester media circus, yet still ended up being the coolest show I saw all year. This time the bands are way less hyped, which means it will probably be even more fun. The Numbers and Measles, Mumps, Rubella play damaged, herky-jerky new wave, Dan Melchior’s Broke Revue are neo-garage royalty, and the Rogers Sisters throw a punky girl-group party. SATURDAY AT 2 P.M., corner of Wythe Avenue and Broadway, Brooklyn. (Phillips)
― Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 18:02 (one year ago) link
Dammit, my partner and I have been brainstorming a band called Measles Mumps Rubella for over a decade now
― bible fumes (stevie), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 18:15 (one year ago) link
I remember seeing Liars play Brownies and then the closing night of some weird punk club run by Portuguese dudes in Connecticut in January 2002 - they were **amazing**. At Brownies, both Bob Bert and Jim Sclavunos were at the bar - half of Sonic Youth's drumming alumni.
― bible fumes (stevie), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 18:16 (one year ago) link
you know i think i was at that "parking lot" event, though i don't recall it being a parking lot. it was, like, a vacant lot on the corner of a block in williamsburg. there were lots of big rocks. really big, like you could climb on them.
i was there and i think it could've been both. the classic vacant lot being used as an outdoor parking lot until some developer figures out what to with it. i remember it being fenced in, as an outdoor parking lot generally would be. i remember seeing gideon yago there, because these are the stupid things you remember 20 years later. that glorious moment right before *every* developer in williamsburg figured out what to do with their lots. across the street was the gretsch building, which had just gone on the market or was about to, which was the beginning of the end of everyhing.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 22:15 (one year ago) link
Watched this the other day - tldr: it's not v good - but was intrigued by a clip of the moldy peaches doing karaoke at what looks to be olde London ilx hangout the King of Corsica. I know that Beth Ditto came along once, did the MPs too, and I have repressed the memory?
― Piedie Gimbel, Friday, 18 November 2022 12:57 (one year ago) link