I know it sounds like a horrible premise for meeting in the bathroom, but it is killing me that I can't remember the title (the cost of age or reading carelessly) especially because I think you might consider it worthy of passing interest.
― youn, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:36 (one year ago) link
xps i think the moldy peaches were really more of the "anti-folk" thing which was basically the artists who hung around the sidewalk cafe all day and watched each others' sets. they may have had a social connection to the strokes but they didn't play the same kinds of gigs afaik.
i think the influence of this stuff on local nyc artists was immediate and centralizing, i mean there were certain enclaves like the sidewalk and the tonic in the late 90's but mainly it was disparate, lots of individual artists pursuing their own thing. and then after the strokes in particular became huge, all these people started playing shows on ludlow street and many of them oriented their sound more in that direction. i remember several bands and artists who were unsigned/unrecorded and doing really exciting stuff turning more revisionist and eventually putting out kinda boring, disappointing records.
― "H to the Izzo" means "I love you" (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:44 (one year ago) link
I always thought of Tonic as much more avant and experimental.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:54 (one year ago) link
yeah it was the enclave for that "scene" iow.
― "H to the Izzo" means "I love you" (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:56 (one year ago) link
they may have had a social connection to the strokes but they didn't play the same kinds of gigs afaik.
Notwithstanding that the Moldy Peaches later opened for them on tour, right? (i.e., I assume you're talking about the early daze)
― Reese's Pisces Iscariot (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:05 (one year ago) link
The only notable thing about the strokes imo is that they named an album after the best Stevie nicks song
― calstars, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:27 (one year ago) link
Adam Green opened for the Strokes at the Mercury Lounge in 2000. I WAS THERE
― Josefa, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:36 (one year ago) link
^You rock!
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:43 (one year ago) link
xp i know they opened for the strokes, but i mean, i think they were still hanging out at the sidewalk cafe a good amount post-fame. that was almost like a songwriters' workshop feel, mostly solo acoustic artists who knew each others' material really well testing new songs in varying stages of completion and sticking around for hours afterward.
there was this one folk singer from the sidewalk cafe whose email list i was on, i think he played with adam green a lot- and around this time he formed a full band and sent out a joke email blast saying they were opening for the strokes at madison square garden.
― "H to the Izzo" means "I love you" (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:54 (one year ago) link
The groups I enjoyed most from that time aren’t covered in the book. Such acts as Moisturizer; Electro Putas; Crème Blush. Perhaps these groups were oriented more toward the Tonic scene, but they played various places.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:07 (one year ago) link
Isn't that almost always the way with scenes?
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:21 (one year ago) link
Yeah. But it also points out the kaleidoscopic nature of scenes. Scenes are defined a certain way based on the perspective you’re coming to them from. My scene was much different from Lizzie Goodman’s scene.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:28 (one year ago) link
Feel like I myself was already scened out, already scene-burned by this time. But à chacun son goût, I guess. Think maybe there’s a way to say it in English, can’t recall.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:29 (one year ago) link
Though there was definitely overlap
― Josefa, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:30 (one year ago) link
Morbs and I were pretty much the same age. I appreciated his take at the beginning of the thread.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:31 (one year ago) link
Also you don’t necessarily feel like you’re in a scene when it’s happening. It’s a pretty abstract concept. The passage of time makes people feel more wistful and that’s when they try to make sense of their own past, categorizing it or whatever.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:37 (one year ago) link
Does anyone remember a recent novel about a WASP family and a babysitter and someone who used to hang out in Grand Central and Tompkins Square Park and had a loft apartment and there was some kind of heist involving a van
This isn't Nell Zink's Doxology, is it?
― with hidden noise, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 06:03 (one year ago) link
you know i think i was at that "parking lot" event, though i don't recall it being a parking lot. it was, like, a vacant lot on the corner of a block in williamsburg. there were lots of big rocks. really big, like you could climb on them. i was there with my wife and remember thinking how adorable it is that young people have bands that yelp and flail around. i would not have predicted they'd build a movie around it 20 years later. i sort of can't believe it *is* 20 years later. but maybe it wasn't the same event? it was the same bands, though.
― Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 16:56 (one year ago) link
yeah "vacant lot" is how i'd characterize it. ilxor tracer hand was apparently also there and characterized it the same way:
The Liars - classic or dud
― Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 17:53 (one year ago) link
Is that the one where Shoplifting played or was that a different one?
― insane oatmeal raisin cookie posse (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 17:56 (one year ago) link
Actually I think that one was like two-three years later
i don't remember them but that's not saying much. these are the bands that played the year after:
‘OUTDOOR PARKING LOT’ Last summer, when the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and the Liars played a show in this same vacant lot, it was a total scenester media circus, yet still ended up being the coolest show I saw all year. This time the bands are way less hyped, which means it will probably be even more fun. The Numbers and Measles, Mumps, Rubella play damaged, herky-jerky new wave, Dan Melchior’s Broke Revue are neo-garage royalty, and the Rogers Sisters throw a punky girl-group party. SATURDAY AT 2 P.M., corner of Wythe Avenue and Broadway, Brooklyn. (Phillips)
― Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 18:02 (one year ago) link
Dammit, my partner and I have been brainstorming a band called Measles Mumps Rubella for over a decade now
― bible fumes (stevie), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 18:15 (one year ago) link
I remember seeing Liars play Brownies and then the closing night of some weird punk club run by Portuguese dudes in Connecticut in January 2002 - they were **amazing**. At Brownies, both Bob Bert and Jim Sclavunos were at the bar - half of Sonic Youth's drumming alumni.
― bible fumes (stevie), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 18:16 (one year ago) link
you know i think i was at that "parking lot" event, though i don't recall it being a parking lot. it was, like, a vacant lot on the corner of a block in williamsburg. there were lots of big rocks. really big, like you could climb on them.
i was there and i think it could've been both. the classic vacant lot being used as an outdoor parking lot until some developer figures out what to with it. i remember it being fenced in, as an outdoor parking lot generally would be. i remember seeing gideon yago there, because these are the stupid things you remember 20 years later. that glorious moment right before *every* developer in williamsburg figured out what to do with their lots. across the street was the gretsch building, which had just gone on the market or was about to, which was the beginning of the end of everyhing.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 22:15 (one year ago) link
Watched this the other day - tldr: it's not v good - but was intrigued by a clip of the moldy peaches doing karaoke at what looks to be olde London ilx hangout the King of Corsica. I know that Beth Ditto came along once, did the MPs too, and I have repressed the memory?
― Piedie Gimbel, Friday, 18 November 2022 12:57 (one year ago) link
City on Fire by Garth Risk Hallberg (xpost to myself on a memory that required patience - may not be worth anyone else's time!)
― youn, Saturday, 19 November 2022 18:13 (one year ago) link
Whenever the strokes come on at the bar it’s such a drag
― calstars, Saturday, 26 November 2022 23:16 (one year ago) link
Now on Showtime streaming
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 27 November 2022 00:26 (one year ago) link
Ugh
― calstars, Sunday, 27 November 2022 00:30 (one year ago) link
Opposite reaction to interpol. Love dem
― calstars, Sunday, 27 November 2022 00:31 (one year ago) link
Is Carlos in costume?
― The Dark End of the Tweet (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 November 2022 00:47 (one year ago) link
As someone who never watches many videos and stuff, nor lived in NYC... fun throwback. Not sure it needed 9/11 footage. Good work getting the Courtney Love flashing/napping with half the Strokes footage though. That's relevant.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 27 November 2022 01:16 (one year ago) link
Sounds like you’re just as qualified to comment as everyone else here so uh go ahead
― calstars, Sunday, 27 November 2022 01:33 (one year ago) link
i may not have been posting here so much at the time but i think you'll find my GAPDY credentials are all in order
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 27 November 2022 02:09 (one year ago) link
Carry on then
― calstars, Sunday, 27 November 2022 02:25 (one year ago) link
There’s 9/11 footage? Is it, like, the graphic kind?
― "Mick Wall at Kerrang!" (morrisp), Sunday, 27 November 2022 02:31 (one year ago) link
Gross
― calstars, Sunday, 27 November 2022 02:34 (one year ago) link
No not really. Probably it was only there because they had footage of Interpol walking around in the dust. No one really talked about it.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 27 November 2022 03:03 (one year ago) link
Oh ok cool, thx
― "Mick Wall at Kerrang!" (morrisp), Sunday, 27 November 2022 03:04 (one year ago) link
There is some 9/11 stuff in the Other Music doc, but it’s pretty relevant for various reasons.
― The Dark End of the Tweet (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 November 2022 03:19 (one year ago) link
I saw that. Yeah it made more sense. Does Meet Me In The Bathroom work better as a book?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 27 November 2022 03:35 (one year ago) link
― calstars, Sunday, 27 November 2022 03:57 (one year ago) link
I’m so NYC myself that I…well…um…references provided upon request.
― The Dark End of the Tweet (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 November 2022 04:13 (one year ago) link
+1
― calstars, Sunday, 27 November 2022 04:30 (one year ago) link
More like Carlostars, amirite?
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 27 November 2022 05:04 (one year ago) link
Lol.
― The Dark End of the Tweet (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 November 2022 05:08 (one year ago) link
Does Carlos still love Interpol though?
― The Dark End of the Tweet (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 November 2022 05:10 (one year ago) link
Just watched the doc; there’s a lot to like about it. They have a ton of great footage, and put it together really well. There are for sure things you could critique (context, chronology, narrative, Ryan Adams)—but I was impressed and enjoyed it overall. (Side note: I didn’t know James Murphy was the long-haired guy in that band Pony!)
― "Mick Wall at Kerrang!" (morrisp), Sunday, 27 November 2022 07:11 (one year ago) link
A few more thoughts: it's very artfully done, kind of an "impressionistic" rock doc. I can see this approach not working for everyone... but I'm generally not a big fan of documentaries, as I tend to feel like they're "manipulating" me/the viewer (even when they're good), and this is at least somewhat subtle in its semi-manipulative Julian C boosterism (lol).
I also liked the strategy* of not showing what any of the folks narrating look like now... i.e., there are no "talking head" shots, you just hear their voices as they reminisce. This way, the spell isn't broken, and the doc isn't framed as a look back from any particular moment in time.
(*this approach also may have been forced by lack of $$ to fly around interviewing ppl in person – some of them are audibly even "phoning in" their narration.)
― "Mick Wall at Kerrang!" (morrisp), Sunday, 27 November 2022 17:00 (one year ago) link