― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
putting fingers in ears and singing "la, la, la — i can't hear you!" for all i'm worth
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dleone (dleone), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
If there will ever possibly be any hip-hop song which
- contains absolutely no rap at all- has a lot of compilated and sophisticated chord changes- takes zero inspiration from R&B and a lot of inspiration from European classical music and Tin Pan Alley- Puts a lot of emphasis on melody and harmony and absolutely no emphasis on rhythm at all- the melodic parts are one hundred per cent originally composed, there is no sampling or turntablismn at all- is throughoutly pre-composed with absolutely no improvisation- takes one hundred per cent of its influences from European, European and absolutely nothing but European music
....then I'd probably like it.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
What, like gypsy folk music?!?
― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
I love music, and music is European. Music was invented in Ancient Greece. What was before that wasn't called "music" by those who created it, and thus it wasn't music
By the way, is there any music which is 100 per cent European - I think not.
As long as the melodic and harmonic qualities of European music remains untouched, it doesn't matter whether other things are added in addition. There is nothing wrong with a drum pulse as long as it is kept in the background and doesn't disturbe the overall total dominance of the melody and its belonging harmonies.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
You are mad... plenty of things didn't have European names until they were given to them. It doesn't mean they didn't exist before then...
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
Absolute total bilge... music has been with us near enough forever
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
I don't like Osmonds either. Those guys weren't melodically and harmonically sophisticated enough.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
he still won't answer the question of why his side is losing
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
and why is your side losing the war?
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
I think you have totally lost the argument here. Beatles rhythms were often quite ferocious, particularly when they were at their best...
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sheik Mamhoud Custos ibn-Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
Technology is actually a keywoard here
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
Why? State your case...
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sheik Mamhoud Custos ibn-Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
In the past, if you wanted to become a musician, you had to start playing and listening already in your childhood. Now you may suddenly, as a teenager, despite having had a scant music interest during your childhoos, decide "I want to make music", and actually, you manage to make something that may sound like music to untrained musical ears.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
But surely technological advances were at the heart of those mathematically inspired Ancient theories, meaning that all they did was change the way music was made/perceived. These are simply examples of music's evolution and you refuse to see the validity of one while droning on about the virtues of another. This is little short of hypocrisy and it fits in with an overall view that barely skirts racism as far as I can see.
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
They didn't change music, they invented music. Important difference.