just curious does anyone else find this album incredibly harsh on the ears? if I listen at a decent volume my head will be buzzing for an hour after. other Ae albums don't do that.
― frogbs, Friday, 9 December 2022 22:28 (one year ago) link
it used to be my go-to and the one I recommended to people first, for some reason. but someone on ILX pointed out what you pointed out to me, and for some reason it never occurred to me. but you're right.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 December 2022 22:32 (one year ago) link
Idk I’m having a hard time understanding how this is less harsh than almost everything that came after !sounds great, btw
― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Friday, 9 December 2022 22:57 (one year ago) link
the 2nd to last track does have some high pitched tones that verge on the painful
― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Friday, 9 December 2022 22:58 (one year ago) link
maybe … turn it down?
― the late great, Saturday, 10 December 2022 00:14 (one year ago) link
This record I find exhausting because many of the tracks loop a single idea for much longer than it remains interesting. I just shut it off in frustration.
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 10 December 2022 01:45 (one year ago) link
at the same time, it's got Clipper.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 10 December 2022 01:50 (one year ago) link
i don’t mean to make any assumptions about your age, matttkkkk, but i’ve definitely heard that as a common criticism of 90s electronic music (including trip hop, etc) from young ppl.
i think it’s a fair criticism, and i’m tempted to feel lucky that i “experienced it as it” (it being my youth, i mean the 90s electronic music scene “was happening” (getting into yawnsome ok boomer territory)
but this is probably completely wrongheaded because i also remember a “day 1” allmusic writer telling me in 97 (this anecdote predates his tenure at the site) that he couldn’t stand depth charge (j saul kane) because “the loops just go nowhere”. in the same conversation he told me he was happy with cichlisuite (new at the time) because he could finally listen to autechre without getting bored. he also told me richard devine and phoenicia were better than autechre because their tracks “developed more”, so obviously not all his opinions aged well (he was an early otto von schirach booster, lol)
― the late great, Saturday, 10 December 2022 02:47 (one year ago) link
that got garbled, meant to write
i “experienced it” (it being my youth, i mean the 90s electronic music scene) “as it was happening” …
― the late great, Saturday, 10 December 2022 02:49 (one year ago) link
thank you tlg, but I'm 52! Tri Rep was the first Ae album I got into heavily (at time of release), so it may be that I burned out. But I am very much up for their long, repetitive mood pieces (like that Perlence subrange one, all end, t1a1, yulquen etc.). I love Amber and I love Chiastic, heck I even love the EPs that bracket Tri Rep, but the album itself grates on me.
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 10 December 2022 02:59 (one year ago) link
Idk I’m having a hard time understanding how this is less harsh than almost everything that came after !
― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Friday, December 9, 2022 4:57 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
part of it is just the tones they use on this album. the squealing that comes out of "Leteral" and in the background of "Overand". that nails-on-ice clinky rhythm on "Stud". but I think the production as a whole uses a lot of harsh noises. don't know enough about technical stuff to extrapolate but some knob needed a twist
― frogbs, Saturday, 10 December 2022 03:27 (one year ago) link
quite a lot of idm from that time was exploring skronky. parts of tri repetae (specific percussive textures, i guess) remind me of a lot of ventolin, disjecta, that 2nd mu ziq album, etc. maybe the post-rock connection? you want a headache, try listening to labradford’s lfo remix at high volume!
― the late great, Saturday, 10 December 2022 04:01 (one year ago) link
skronky vibes*
I still think RDJ is an asshole for Ventolin
― frogbs, Saturday, 10 December 2022 04:12 (one year ago) link
I'm listening to Chiastic now and despite having a pretty similar sound palette it doesn't hurt my ears the way Tri Rep does. idk it's just mastered different or something
― frogbs, Saturday, 10 December 2022 04:49 (one year ago) link
young ppl.
lol like the high pitched sounds they supposedly play in stores to shoo away teens.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 10 December 2022 06:30 (one year ago) link
many of the tracks loop a single idea for much longer than it remains interesting
I always thought they made it as some kind of experiment in repetition, because of the title too.
― StanM, Saturday, 10 December 2022 07:07 (one year ago) link
just curious does anyone else find this album incredibly harsh on the ears?
Yes! It's horribly mixed when compared to their other albums. Completely lacking in bass and lower mids. It relentlessly pummels a lot of 8khz frequencies at you, honestly the vinyl version is the only way I can listen to it, which seems to soften some of its harshness.
I've been wanting this, Chiastic, Anvil Vapre and Envane to be remastered (perhaps with updated mixes), but I'm guessing that's not going to happen.
While some of the best tracks of their entire oeuvre, they're easily the worst mixes.
― octobeard, Saturday, 10 December 2022 07:45 (one year ago) link
This album sounds great, what are you on about. Will never get bored of any of it
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 10 December 2022 09:05 (one year ago) link
yeah I don't hear what the problem is either, maybe it's my headphones?
― StanM, Saturday, 10 December 2022 09:20 (one year ago) link
see I have the recent Tri Rep/Chaistic reissues (dunno if they were remastered at all or not) and imo the Chiastic one sounds incredible, really thick and clanky the way it ought to be. TR doesn't sound bad but I think you're right about the lack of bass and mids. I know this is an extreme example but there's an album called Nattens Magridal by Ulver which is just straight up raw lo-fi black metal and it's like shrapnel on the ears. even if I listen to it quietly my ears will ring for a while after. the only thing that mitigates it is the new mix which inserts a tiny bit of bass back into the mix.
― frogbs, Saturday, 10 December 2022 15:26 (one year ago) link
also starting to realize that some people just don't find this stuff bothersome - I remember reading a bunch of reviews for this album and being stunned that none of them mentioned how irritating those really high frequencies on "Stud" are
― frogbs, Saturday, 10 December 2022 15:28 (one year ago) link
Yeah there's huge differences between headphone and speaker frequency ranges. It shouldn't ever be strictly necessary, but just EQ when something is bugging you.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 10 December 2022 15:36 (one year ago) link
Between different speakers and headphones I mean
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 10 December 2022 15:37 (one year ago) link
*frequency responses. lol dammit
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 10 December 2022 15:39 (one year ago) link
I love early Autechre but the late great's allmusic friend was right about Cichlisuite. I feel like that was the great leap forward moment for them, where the beats suddenly gained a ton of depth/complexity. Tri Rep definitely has harsher sonics than most of their other early stuff but it's never bothered me.
― J. Sam, Saturday, 10 December 2022 16:34 (one year ago) link
I never EQ because I know I’ll forget to change it back #stoner
― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Saturday, 10 December 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link
“depth/complexity”
not going to say anything in particular, but not going to let this one slip by without saying anything!
― the late great, Saturday, 10 December 2022 17:33 (one year ago) link
This album definitely has a grinding mechanical quality to it that I hear as more combative and less melodious than those on either side of it.
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Saturday, 10 December 2022 17:40 (one year ago) link
Lol Nattens Madrigal otm. This is definitely their "black metal" album. Ooh, now you've got me thinking about Ulver and Autechre following similar discographic trajectories... Interesting
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Saturday, 10 December 2022 17:42 (one year ago) link
They could probably make a sick New Wave album yeah
― frogbs, Saturday, 10 December 2022 18:14 (one year ago) link
Another thing that I dislike about a lot of Anvil Vapre and Tri Rep's mixing - it feels very flat and lacking depth, like a low quality recording or a rough punk 45. Might be part of its charm for many, but not me.
Much like what has been said above about Cichlisuite, I believe this is when they really honed in their sound and improved the quality of their mixes immensely. The only record prior I would say is mixed with quality and depth is their debut, which had some additional hands in the production process that their later releases would lack.
― octobeard, Saturday, 10 December 2022 23:20 (one year ago) link
Going by Discogs, the debut had a mastering credit (Geoff Pesche) and from LP5 onwards everything has been mastered by Frank Arkwright. Perhaps they did their own in between (Amber, Tri, Chiastic) and this album suffers most. LP5 is absolutely lush compared to the preceding stuff and it’s all sounded great to me since then.
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 10 December 2022 23:51 (one year ago) link
oops I forgot Noel Summerville who has done much more of their recent stuff than Arkwright, and also did the vinyl reissues of the earlier albums
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 10 December 2022 23:55 (one year ago) link
I can't say I really hear a flatness in the mastering/mixing on this album. There are some quite tough frequencies - lots of very high pitched grinding sounds - that lend it a gritty industrial edge.
Anyway, I'm reviving this here because I'm DJing at Glastonbury and I really want to slip in some Autechre as a curveball.
What Ae track would you put in an eclectic (but dancey) festival DJ set? I was sort of thinking Eutow
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Monday, 24 June 2024 10:21 (two days ago) link
we r are why? play weisensee against im gluck?
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 24 June 2024 10:40 (two days ago) link
latentcall if you want to push the envelope a bit.
― ledge, Monday, 24 June 2024 10:46 (two days ago) link
err, pendulu hv moda (banging track, not overly intelligent)
― Lowell N. Behold'n, Monday, 24 June 2024 11:55 (two days ago) link
Anyway, I'm reviving this here because I'm DJing at Glastonbury
― Gigi Allen (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 24 June 2024 12:23 (two days ago) link
It's cool, just a little set at the Ridge & Furrow (Bella's Field). 11pm-1am Thursday if anyone wants to stop by (plug plug plug!)
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Monday, 24 June 2024 12:27 (two days ago) link
i've played a bit of 'four of seven' before, fairly straightforward and around 120 bpm, that was a moody october night thing tho
― he/him hoo-hah (map), Monday, 24 June 2024 15:06 (two days ago) link
i could hear that working for at least a short minute
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Monday, 24 June 2024 16:34 (two days ago) link
you probably googled this already too: https://www.reddit.com/r/autechre/comments/ugijxz/best_danceable_autechre_tracks
― StanM, Monday, 24 June 2024 16:45 (two days ago) link