OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

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really wish people would back off Marilyn Hagerty tbh

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:03 (one year ago) link

I believe Alfred is a true fan of Marilyn's.

Hammock rules and finding the best way to talk about them -- and they are truly underrated from where I sit -- is kinda hard.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:05 (one year ago) link

Jclc, you are a kind soul and your concern is warranted. But personally I don't see any meanness in the Haggerty discourse.

To me, ilx is processing its cultural anxieties in a very ilxian way. It often looks like savage mockery but I like to think it comes from a place of omnivorous curiosity and, ultimately, love. Love of the variety and complexity of contemporary existence.

Plus, breadsticks.

is it milli vanilli or just a facsimile (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:08 (one year ago) link

Feel free to justify Tonetta77-ing some local newspaper lady however you want

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:12 (one year ago) link

Hammock rules and finding the best way to talk about them -- and they are truly underrated from where I sit -- is kinda hard.

Agree about Hammock's musical merits, and my response to the review honestly was less "what moron wrote this shit?" than "why didn't someone edit this into a better version of itself?"

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:34 (one year ago) link

I'm now listening to and enjoying the heretofore unknown to me band Hammock so I guess it did its job

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:38 (one year ago) link

Where were all you Hammock fans hiding when we did the ambient poll?

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:44 (one year ago) link

napping obv

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:53 (one year ago) link

I...post Hagerty reviews because her stuff does interest me.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 January 2023 17:01 (one year ago) link

Agree about Hammock’s musical merits, and my response to the review honestly was less “what moron wrote this shit?” than “why didn’t someone edit this into a better version of itself?”

My first response to reading it, being a subeditor (copy editor), was, “No one subbed this.”

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Thursday, 26 January 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link

Hammock show up a lot on ambient playlists in corporate environments, I've found, so I associate them with that— not a knock, necessarily, just an observation.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Thursday, 26 January 2023 18:09 (one year ago) link

Trippy. I just coincidentally had Hammock recommended to me.

Evan, Thursday, 26 January 2023 18:10 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

egads

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 4 March 2023 21:16 (one year ago) link

You can check out at any time you like
But you can't get the milk for free

jmm, Saturday, 4 March 2023 21:46 (one year ago) link

Jeff Mangum proves you do, in fact, need to buy the cow.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 4 March 2023 21:50 (one year ago) link

Hammock are pretty dull corporate ambient. I sort if think of it as AWVFTS but more chill tech company lounge vibe or fancy skin creme store vibe

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 5 March 2023 01:48 (one year ago) link

This is horrible on its own, but it's even more horrible because of what it apparently represents. JazzTimes, formerly a pretty good magazine, is under new ownership and has dismissed its entire editorial staff, cancelled existing assignments, and apparently plans to go forward using j-school newcomers. So with that in mind, I give you JazzTimes' Wayne Shorter obituary (which was not written by a student, but by the magazine's new senior editor, a retired teacher(!) from Tallahassee):

Innovative, Enigmatic, and Inventive are all words that are used to describe this century’s visionary musician, Wayne Shorter. And these words are all true. But, when we look a little further into his compositional career, we come upon Emanon. Emanon – No Name spelled Backwards – is a 3 CD Album that includes a Graphic Novel by the same name.

‘Emanon,’ he says in a press release , ‘It hit me way Back then as a teenager: ‘No name’ means a whole lot. The connection with Emanon and artists and other heroes is the quest to find originality, which is probably the closest thing you can get to creation.’

At one point in an interview, he even says “At this point I’m looking to express eternity in composition.”

So we’ve lost a visionary whose music was a quest to form an expression of Eternity. We’ve been a part of a search for Creation and Eternity. So it’s no wonder the words like Innovative and Enigmatic are used to describe his work. But how do his intentions affect Jazz, or rather inform and instruct Jazz.

When you think about music, every music has a genre from which they may not escape. The waltz is not in search of anything other than that certain rhythm for dancing. The salsa is also contained in a particular format that makes it what it is. Jazz on the other hand depends on that “Quest.” That constant effort to be “original” and “creative.” And because Mr. Shorter was grounded in that Quest, his music rose above so many others efforts to compose. He was not in it for mastering a particular style, while style was important, but he was in it to change it, to use it to create something new, original and express Eternity. That effort changes the whole of Jazz for us, because heretofore, we may not have known what we were listening for or listening to. What were his markers of change.

If we review his career, we know that he started with Be Bop. His work with Art Blakey was “pace-setting.” But having mastered that he moved on to form his own group, Weather Report. During his stint with his group, his “quest” took him to Jazz Fusion. He’d go on to compose many jazz standards and refined modern Harmonic language. But at bottom, the Quest was the primary objective. The search for originality and creation were paramount on his mind and his compositions during this time in the 1970s point to his intentions. The average listeners knew there was something going on with his compositions but the actual goals that led to his intentions were not yet expressed in a fashion these listener could wrap their arms around. But, they were transported none the less.

Shorter understood clearly what JAZZ meant to musicians and the sophisticated listener. It meant a certain freedom. While the years during which these transformations took place offered very little freedom to the traditional music formats. Jazz offered a freedom that encouraged and confirmed and supported Innovation mentioned by so many. It wasn’t an accident that Jazz was the one art -followed soon by abstract art – that allowed for, indeed permitted freedom. With the country so focused on freedom and so willing to fight for it, Jazz was that one place that freedom and change and every creative avenue was encouraged. So when we see those “hep Cats” sitting around shoulder to shoulder with their cigarettes, coffee and black berets, they are soaking in the vibe of freedom and wondering how to Create that into a manifestation in their own lives. Mr. Shorter was the sound track, no, the example of what beautiful freedom can come from that quest. He led the way to show us all how we might break free from the constraints holding us. Mr. Shorter was more than a musician, he was a visionary who led the way for the rest of us and continued to do so for decades.

Now Mr. Shorter hadn’t just come lately to creating. At fifteen, he illustrated and wrote a Comic Book called Star Talk. He drew it in Blue Ink and added script in Blue Ink as well. Blue Ink. Who does that? His Characters, Men and women, headed to the moon where – upon landing – the main character ”Remembers that Spot.” That was in 1949. Wayne was also a High school Grad from the first fine Arts and Performance school in New Jersey. He was recruited for Painting, but was convinced to switch to the music side of the program. He started out with clarinet, but switched to Tenor Sax and took private lessons. He was a kid in a family who clearly saw his potential. He and his brother even started a group while in high school. Mr. Shorter would go on to graduate from NYU and he’d spend two years in the military at Fort Hood. He was married and had several children.

So many artists speak well of Him, and it shows how a legacy can indeed be an important part of ones memory of you.

Billy Harper said, “Wayne Shorter was a seeker, a herald of truth for the jazz community. Shorter was one of the longer expressions of truth in our music, carrying tons of creativity in his writing and playing. May he rest in Heavenly Music with Trane and Miles.”

Wallace Roney, Jr said “I am in shock, and distraught over the news of the great Wayne Shorter. He was, and still is, one of the fundamental reasons I fell in love with this music. His prolific brilliance and longevity as a composer provided me motivation when I was at my lowest points. His honesty Humanity and virtue as a saxophonist made me feel like I could trust every note he played. I was raised on his music. There wasn’t a time in my life where I didn’t know who Wayne Shorter was. He has been a central figure in my development as a musician and as a human being for as long as I can remember.

My sincerest, most heartfelt condolences go out to all his friends, family, and everyone whose lives he’s impacted both directly and indirectly. May he rest in Peace.”

Mr. Shorter has met his goals and intentions. His Quest to find Originality has been taken up by musicians all around the world and has allowed us, as listeners, a profound freedom as we listen to his compositions and realize that we are in the midst of a Creation experience.

May Jazz Bless You and Keep You, Mr. Shorter

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 00:03 (one year ago) link

Oh shit I subscribe to jazz times. Did madavor media sell it?

Alicia Silver Stone (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 00:41 (one year ago) link

Apparently, yeah. According to Wikipedia, "On February 15, 2023 Madavor Media was acquired by The BeBop Channel Corporation, a public company under the ticker symbol BBOP and headed up by jazz musician and interim CEO Gregory Charles Royal."

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 00:45 (one year ago) link

Is ChatGPT a retired teacher from Talahasee?

m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 01:09 (one year ago) link

ChatGPT probably knows better than to capitalize random words.

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 01:25 (one year ago) link

ChatGPT was an answer on Jeopardy tonight

the jazz bless you and keep you
the jazz make its face to shine upon you
and give you peace

The April issue I just got is only 56 pages, and may be the last issue with the old staff.

Alicia Silver Stone (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 02:19 (one year ago) link

I went to look at an article I'd bookmarked on the JazzTimes site earlier today, and was told that this was the first of three free articles...but they were treating each slide in their slideshow as one article, so I'd used up my free articles before I got to the slide I was looking for.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 02:22 (one year ago) link

I'm assuming the BeBop Channel Corporation is a CIA front

your original display name is still visible (Left), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 04:14 (one year ago) link

What the fuck, that is the worst obit I've ever read. My composition students could write better.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link

it shows how a legacy can indeed be an important part of ones memory of you.

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link

I'm losing my Mind over this bizarre Jump Cut:

If we review his career, we know that he started with Be Bop. His work with Art Blakey was “pace-setting.” But having mastered that he moved on to form his own group, Weather Report. During his stint with his group, his “quest” took him to Jazz Fusion.

J. Sam, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link

Yeah, nothing really happening for ol' Wayne between 1964 and 1970...

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 18:25 (one year ago) link

lol

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 18:39 (one year ago) link

Now Mr. Shorter hadn’t just come lately to creating.

https://www.nsmt.org/uploads/1/9/9/5/19956447/nsmt-acc-17-narrator.jpg

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 18:41 (one year ago) link

thread has a winner xps

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 19:39 (one year ago) link

it’s so bad also because it’s obvious the writer hasn’t even heard of shorter before, but arrogantly and patronizingly tried be all like “I can learn about this person and give a totally informed thoughtful overview”

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 19:50 (one year ago) link

I wouldn't necessarily conclude that--she's a jazz club owner, has probably heard Shorter before. This seems like the only thing she's written for Jazz Times? Maybe not a professional writer.

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 20:04 (one year ago) link

ah ok, the high concept pontificating taking precedence over information confused me

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 20:05 (one year ago) link

He was recruited for Painting, but was convinced to switch to the music side of the program.

I guess Shorter totally blew them away at the Painting Combine (did a still life in 4.65) but the Music Team head coach really had designs on growing the Clarinet Line.

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 20:19 (one year ago) link

Laughing out loud...

unknown blues singer (morrisp), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 20:22 (one year ago) link

just because I was triggered by the beauty of

those “hep Cats”


https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5a/6f/26/5a6f26617f629b79a9318bdcd19c2f49.jpg

Jazz Times magazine changing owners, editor, and dropping staff for this... ugh

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 20:35 (one year ago) link

https://i.postimg.cc/x1m1B0s0/image.png

, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 03:05 (one year ago) link

Just read the entirety of that Shorter obit on the original site (quoting it here misses the use of bolding to add emphasis, alongside her curious ideas about capitalization and scare quotes). This is like lock thread worthy. Truly and literally the worst piece of music writing ever, at least that has crossed my eyes.

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 13:35 (one year ago) link

my posts on ilx are also a quest to form an expression of eternity.

treeship., Wednesday, 8 March 2023 14:38 (one year ago) link

isn't that in the ilx user agreement?

"all posts must be part of a quest to form an expression of eternity."

it's one of the main reasons i haven't been banned yet iirc.

(but yes, that obit seems kind of "light" coming from "JAZZ TIMES")

.austinuos, plug forth. (Austin), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 15:07 (one year ago) link

I'm assuming the BeBop Channel Corporation is a CIA front

― your original display name is still visible (Left)

front corporation for shredder's hench-warthog

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 15:11 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Just interminable

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 25 March 2023 13:59 (one year ago) link

The occasional misspellings of his hero’s name (“Flannagan”) are a perfect touch.

chemtrails over the turkey club (morrisp), Saturday, 25 March 2023 14:15 (one year ago) link

Mike Adams is a High Times Staff writer hailing from the darkest depths of the Armpit of America—Southern Indiana.

oh, it gets darker, Mike

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 25 March 2023 14:30 (one year ago) link


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