Thanks. Tbh getting a bit tired of the cart stories, especially since I already told mine elsewhere over the weekend.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 15:58 (one year ago) link
great stuff. Love Licht's thing about the continuation of guitar rock bypassing the 70s.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 16:13 (one year ago) link
Yeah Tyler that’s a wonderful assemblage thank you I was worried we had now reached the phase where we no longer keep talking about Tom Verlaine every day
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 16:56 (one year ago) link
Please like and subscribe to my Television/Tom Verlaine podcast PEAK TV
― tylerw, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 16:59 (one year ago) link
TVOD
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link
Tyler that's really really good.
― normal AI yankovic (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 02:49 (one year ago) link
and thanks so much.
― normal AI yankovic (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 02:50 (one year ago) link
Finally had time to read that. Stellar work as usual.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 03:45 (one year ago) link
Also just reread the interview with Tom in Feeding Back and it was even grebter than I remembered it.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 04:18 (one year ago) link
Read it whilst listening to The Blow Up which was potentially a risky maneuver but it worked out really well.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 04:19 (one year ago) link
Nice collection of tributes here, including from the Clientele's Alasdair MacLean, who based on this and the podcast he did about the Beatles, is very good on talking about other musicians' work
https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2023/02/07/guiding-light-a-tom-verlaine-appreciation/?fbclid=IwAR3zCwYhPvRHNVD4G8ZPJaGUn0pSJWi5O2DwhjzlBFjOEpzH94TWCNtsYRQ
― Alba, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 14:35 (one year ago) link
heh, just posted upthread by the fabulous tylerw who did the compiling
very much enjoyed alasdair's perspective, what's that podcast he did on the beatles?
― corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link
D'oh - sorry missed that!
Alasdair was the guest on the Your Own Personal Beatles podcast back in October 21
https://shows.acast.com/personalbeatles/episodes/alasdsair-maclean
― Alba, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:01 (one year ago) link
Does anyone have any thoughts on the first line of Venus? Lyrics sites say "It was a tight toy night", which makes no sense to me but who knows? I think I always heard it as "Tight, torn night"
― Alba, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:15 (one year ago) link
I thought tight torn night
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:19 (one year ago) link
Another site has it as "tight tour night" which I suppose sounds the most literally plausible.
― Alba, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:25 (one year ago) link
lyric sheet on the album sleeve "tight toy night" ... don't know what it means, but I like it!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:30 (one year ago) link
So...the only Verlaine album I hadn't paid attention to, Words from the Front, is the weakest? The title track and "Days on the Mountain" are the strongest; the rest just flits away.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:32 (one year ago) link
The production is very odd — I think even Verlaine admitted that he did not like how it sounded by the time he finished it. I like "Postcard From Waterloo," too, and "Clear It Away" would sound great live in the next few years.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:35 (one year ago) link
Postcard From Waterloo is gorgeous
― Alba, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:37 (one year ago) link
ah forgot about the lyric sheet. I like toy better!
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:42 (one year ago) link
Postcard from Waterloo is based on an old Televsion song (never recorded?):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0yfoIa_Wgg
― brownie, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:10 (one year ago) link
This thread much more fun than some others right now.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:15 (one year ago) link
re: that early stuff, here's a Richard Hell-era Television comp I put together way back when. Cool, weird, raw sounds! https://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/149945081937/television-a-season-in-hell-sunday-re-up-ive
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:38 (one year ago) link
I like the track "Coming Apart" on 'Words on the Front", it doesn't really fit but then none of the tracks seem to fit with any of the other tracks on that album.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:03 (one year ago) link
Verlaine's vocals are so weird on Words (and a lot of his solo stuff in general). Sometimes his approach works, but often it seems like he's reaching for something and not quite getting there. Actually, his last vocal album from 2006 might have his most pleasing singing on it, a little more relaxed and warm.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:22 (one year ago) link
(and I say all that thinking that he can be a really fantastic singer sometimes. I read someone call him the christopher walken of rock once and I can kind of see that)
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:24 (one year ago) link
That Hell-era comp, shambling, ragged, is some of my favorite music ever, you get a sense of how thrilling they must have been even early on, this weird unholy mix of both Hell's & Veraline's approaches, and while it is clear the combination could never last there is something so charming & naive about them without being cloying, it feels so light and almost goofy
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:55 (one year ago) link
totally. that early 1974 clip that surfaced last year is just amazing in its all-out strangeness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLlhYiN4gmU
I like this bit from Zach Lipez:
"I can’t imagine what it was like for Tom Verlaine and Richard Hell when they were getting started; to have a weird voice, and wanting to sing for a band in NYC, without the advantage of being able to just rip off Tom Verlaine or Richard Hell."
https://zacharylipez.ghost.io/eight-unfinished-essays-on-marquee-moon/
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 18:01 (one year ago) link
I found the book I managed to buy off the Strand carts that one time. I paid 48 cents for it.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 20:32 (one year ago) link
Just put on the remastered Marquee Moon cd after not seeing it for a while. It's totally fuzzing out. Very distorted.So am just wondering if anybody else experienced that with this version.Don't want to get another copy to find out this was a widespread thing.
Shame, thought I'd finally got around to sticking some of him on. But just get what sounds like a cloud of fuzz accompanying then replacing the sound. I think other 2 discs on 3 changer are ok.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 12:43 (one year ago) link
Need to find my Miller's Tale set I think.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 12:45 (one year ago) link
I'd swap the three discs around, tbh
― Mark G, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 14:53 (one year ago) link
i realized that one reason i love television so much as they stand at the nexus of pretty much everything i love in rock music - late 60s jamming, bratty garage rock, punk, art rock, prog, crazy horse, post punk, dylan, jazz, no wave skronk...like they are kind of the center
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 14:58 (one year ago) link
Hey so what Verlaine should I lichen to if I've only heard Television?
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 14:58 (one year ago) link
listen, lol
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 14:59 (one year ago) link
The first two solo albums and Cover.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 15:04 (one year ago) link
Miller's Tale is a good compilation with a live set on 2nd disc. Not sure how widely available it is but it was a good introduction at teh time I think anyway. THink I had been aware of him for a while when I got it.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 15:18 (one year ago) link
and find as many live boots as you can (TV included). There are many scattered around the interwebs.
Also many fine TV live sets like this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFEU1yXTf8w
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 15:19 (one year ago) link
Such a shame taht there isn't a rest of teh set from the OGWT clip of Foxhole. There is so much more of teh reunion on film and there's even more of the Richard Hell lineup than classic era classic lineup.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 17:33 (one year ago) link
I haven't been able to find The Miller's Tale for years.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 17:34 (one year ago) link
Just looked around at prices for it and they are going up on what I payed for it quite a bit.Not sure exactly when i got it though, may have been through CDConnection in 2003 but could be wrong.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 17:40 (one year ago) link
i got mine at the sadly defunct subterranean records owned by the sadly deceased guitarist from winter hours. every time i walked in they were guaranteed to be playing some tv live tape. https://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/nyregion/thecity/vinyl-idling.html
― Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 18:33 (one year ago) link
I don't have it anymore, but I didn't like the remaster - it sounded heavy on the compression, which is a shame because the old CD had one or two mistakes like clipping off the first note of "See No Evil."
I actually tweaked the old CD, restoring that missing note with some editing, then smoothed out the top end just a touch. (The album was always a bright sounding recording. I only dropped like 2 db at 10k.)
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 18:57 (one year ago) link
Yeah, when I got "Miller's Tale" I ended up paying double the "new" price, whereas I was hoping for half.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 19:28 (one year ago) link
subterranean is one of my top five favorite record store ever……in the 90s, I didn't do much other than hunt around record stores downtown and so I was in the that place al the time… and yeah, it would be verlaine/TV/lloyd or Richard Thompson/Fairport over the speakers, always…you are referring to the guy that didn't have the most alabaster complexion, right TSF? he's dead?
― veronica moser, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 21:19 (one year ago) link
I was there a lot, esp the summer in college when I lived in the NYU dorms just down the street. I remember like, vintage patti smith poster on the ceiling or something, was def a classic NYC punk holdout.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 21:31 (one year ago) link
Yeah, great shop — I think I bought the classic Television boot Double Exposure there someteim in the late 90s. Carlucci passed away in 2015: https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/winter-hours-michael-carlucci-death-6746383/
― tylerw, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 21:37 (one year ago) link
Listened to Cover for the first time (and the second time). It's super satisfying in some kind of weird, like, accesibility sense. No way I'd consider it synthpop, but the keys are there, and also lots of reverb in parts that feel make the songs really feel not-like-Television for me.
The guitar repetition in Lindi Lu sounds like something a synthpop band would do with the synth lol. Way more enjoyable than I'd anticipated.
― normal AI yankovic (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 23:39 (one year ago) link
So. 5 miles of you sounds exactly like a Bill Nelson song. A really really good one. So does the opening of traveling.
― normal AI yankovic (Hunt3r), Thursday, 16 February 2023 18:50 (one year ago) link