does tom petty have any redeeming qualities?

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latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

well not really

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought you were being literal, that their review was along the lines of "he hates radio now that his new stuff isn't on it, awesome!" - making fun of him for only hating radio now. That sounds more like a Vice review, I guess.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

tom petty's finest hour: sandra bernhard's version of "stop draggin' my heart around" on the rodney dangerfield 75th birthday special

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 11 September 2004 05:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"American Girl" = Best non-Byrds Byrds song EVAH

Which makes McGuinn's cover of it that much better than Petty's original

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 11 September 2004 08:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Anthony, "Face in the Crowd" -- nice.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 12 September 2004 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

mcguinn says that when he heard "american girl" on the radio he wondered "did i record this song and forget about it?"

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom Petty is great because he's like all the guys in Dazed and Confused except for real, coming up with rock'n'roll when it meant longhair girls and good weed and the sort of hazy endless beer blast that represented rebellion or freedom or just, you know, being your own dog to all those redneck riviera Florida kids, for lack of imagination or opportunity or, hell, desire to do anything else. And also because he loved Dylan and the Stones not for what they said or meant but how they sounded, because they sounded fucking great and he wanted to sound fucking great, which is exactly what the Byrds wanted too and that's the other reason he sounds like the Byrds (apart from sounding like the Byrds), that he's a sonics guy just like McGuinn and his music never means more or less than that perfect aching tremor in his voice or that Rickenbacker twang in his amp. And also because he deploys his minor falls and major lifts as well as any four-chord rocker of his generation. And also because, fuck it, even the losers get lucky sometimes.

spittle (spittle), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:06 (nineteen years ago) link

My own POX:
American Girl
I Need to Know
Even the Losers
Louisiana Rain
A Woman in Love
Straight Into Darkness
You Got Lucky
Dogs on the Run
Free Fallin'
You Wreck Me

spittle (spittle), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:17 (nineteen years ago) link

what has tom petty done for me other than make me feel nostalgic for a time that didn't even exist or I wasn't even alive for. come on it's fucking nostalgia rock with all the trimmings. and a few good singles.

danh (danh), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:17 (nineteen years ago) link

You oughta hear me and Wifey cover "Hometown Blues"

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:22 (nineteen years ago) link

if he were more of a jerk or a blowhard, he'd be the american paul weller. i think that some folks get really into him b/c he's always been a sort-of alternative to other pop music. when i was a teen in the mid/late 80s, for instance, tom petty was sorta-alternative to the hair-metal and vapid dance-pop that dominated the radio. he could've also passed as "new wave" in that he's always had a back-to-the-basics ethos (even when his music came slathered in dave stewart/jeff lynne studio syrup) that's similar to roughly-contemporaneous british pub-rock. in a similar vein, one could argue that "refugee," "american girl," et. al. paved the way for rem and other american groups of that type to make the leap onto mainstream rock radio.

as it is, i like a lot of his songs in a "wouldn't turn the dial if he comes on the radio" sort-of way. i've got cds of damn the torpedoes and full moon fever which i haven't played in years (and don't feel a burning need to do so).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:29 (nineteen years ago) link

That Mad Max-ripoff video they did for "You Got Lucky" was HELLA cool.

shmarken, Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:32 (nineteen years ago) link

One thing that helped him sell a lot of records in the 80s was that he really liked making videos. You can tell. He liked dressing up and everything, and doing all that goofy Alice in Wonderland shit. Him and ZZ Top, they were some of the only 70s rockers who figured out MTV.

spittle (spittle), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:37 (nineteen years ago) link

One thing that helped him sell a lot of records in the 80s was that he really liked making videos. You can tell. He liked dressing up and everything, and doing all that goofy Alice in Wonderland shit. Him and ZZ Top, they were some of the only 70s rockers who figured out MTV.

And Billy Squier too

shmarken, Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:52 (nineteen years ago) link

j. geils, the cars...

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:53 (nineteen years ago) link

and yes ... "owner of a lonely heart"!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 12 September 2004 08:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, he seems to *not* be a heartbreaker, as his bands title does not extend to him. That's quite nice.

Sasha (sgh), Monday, 13 September 2004 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I believe he speaks Wilbury?

suzy (suzy), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

mcguinn says that when he heard "american girl" on the radio he wondered "did i record this song and forget about it?"

Ha! Ha! I heard that same story, applied to Neil Young and "A Horse With No Name". Fun-ny!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 05:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i remember fondly that SNL skit where petty serves as an interpreter for bob dylan

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 06:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I think a lot of people would take Tom Petty a lot more seriously if it weren't for the fact that he looks like a rabbit.

Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 07:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Was it Adam Sandler or similar doing Dylan? Whoever it was just went 'ne-wheey, ne-wheey, ne-wheey' until Petty manfully stepped in.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 07:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Y'all know my feelings on The Last DJ.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:18 (nineteen years ago) link

i liked his solo album alot. But beyond that ... beats me?

doomie x, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

and factor in my byrds obsession and you will realise that the above comment ranks a mighty 0/10 for relevancy. much like the majority of my ilxor.com postings! hooray!

doomie x, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Search:
"Wont Back Down"
"Refugee"
"Don't Come Around Here No More"
When he sings like Neil Young Impersonating Bob Dylan

Destroy:
When he sings like Bob Dylan Impersonating Neil Young
that "Into the Great Wide Open" song.
Everything Else.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

well it was nearly summer
we sat on your roof

(thread revival cuz tom petty car-drivin windows-down season is upon us)

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 27 May 2007 07:27 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.julecarey.com/images/Tom-Petty-Ass_large.jpg

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 27 May 2007 07:34 (seventeen years ago) link

i was brought up on tom petty, thanks to my mum's residual fangirl craving. some of it still holds up pretty well! i remember thinking how 'i won't back down' must have been one of the most inspiring pieces of music ever written (this was when i was 9). i would always equate it with the bunnies' struggle in watership down.

Just got offed, Sunday, 27 May 2007 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

That song in Grand Theft Auto San Andreas is pretty brilliant when you're cruising thru the desert towards Las Venturas.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 27 May 2007 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5933643/tom_petty_is_pissed/

over here, anyone who says anything remotely negative about the proto-fascist state this country is becoming is a hero to me...

iago g., Sunday, 27 May 2007 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

He has great songs. Doesn't need anything else than that.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 27 May 2007 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link

i was brought up on tom petty, thanks to my mum's residual fangirl craving. some of it still holds up pretty well! i remember thinking how 'i won't back down' must have been one of the most inspiring pieces of music ever written (this was when i was 9). i would always equate it with the bunnies' struggle in watership down.

-- Just got offed, Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:25 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

irm?

and what, Sunday, 27 May 2007 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I know, I know...he's not THE worst the world has to offer musically, but my pride won't let me sing the praises of even the few songs of his I do quite like.

My gut feeling is that to be cool, the best thing is just not to mention Tom Petty in any way shape or form in the company of others.

Bimble, Sunday, 27 May 2007 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

why the hell would you worry about that?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 27 May 2007 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

being cool = being uncool

being really into tom petty actually makes you really cool cuz it's so like, not cool. definitely cooler than being really into Neutral Milk Hotel or something. xcept i can't stand his sound.

Surmounter, Sunday, 27 May 2007 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link

One thing that I love about Tom Petty is that - up until about two years ago when I gave up on radio altogether* - is that the classic rock radio station around here didn't seem to have any compunction about playing a wide variety of Tom Petty songs.

Want to hear Lynyrd Skynryd? You'd better like "Sweet Home Alabama" boy; they won't even play "Tuesday's Gone" up in this bitch. The almighty Allman Brothers were reduced to a one-hit wonder called "Melissa," which I think they only played because it was in a car commercial or something. Apparently the only Who song ever written was "Who Are You."

But for some reason, they had Tom Petty's Greatest Hits stacked up in the rotation (Mary Jane's Last Dance and YDKHIF exempted). I'd be sitting there suffering through "Hotel California" - AGAIN! - and then along would come "Listen to Her Heart" or "Don't Do Me Like That" or "American Girl" and everything would be okay. Tom Petty saved my fuckin' day on a regular basis.

I've tried to listen to his albums/collections a few times and can't really sit through it. But individually, they're great American songs.

*(or rather, I quit the job where my coworkers listened to the radio all day)

kingkongvsgodzilla, Sunday, 27 May 2007 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link

i see the great american songs thing as a lack of culture in his music

Surmounter, Sunday, 27 May 2007 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

it's like bologna

Surmounter, Sunday, 27 May 2007 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

with mayo. and pickles?

Surmounter, Sunday, 27 May 2007 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

The question at the top of the thread is just silly.

Best place to start: Greatest Hits (MCA, 1993).

Best album: Damn the Torpedoes, 1979.

His first two are worth owning, as well. After that, less so.

Best single left off Greatest Hits: "Jammin' Me."

Best song, period: "American Girl"

No room or time to list the countless artists beloved on ILM that he's better than.

Last year's album kind of sucked, though. My Spin review went like this:

Tom Petty
Highway Companion
American
2 1/2 stars

The eternally squirrelly dad-rocker’s roadtrip album opens with its most explicit car rhythm, a ZZ-riffed boogie ride past exurbia’s ranch homes. And though it never works up comparable energy again, the tune about heading south to sell family headstones and the one about dropping in on a small-town buddy for a weekend beer do okay. Moodier moments respectably imitate Dylan and Neil Young, but often fall asleep at the wheel.

Downloadable cuts: “Saving Grace,” “Big Weekend”

xhuxk, Sunday, 27 May 2007 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i see the great american songs thing as a lack of culture in his music

So you would rather he what? Have a sitar or a gamelan or something in there? Besides, bologna's Italian, Mayo's French, and according to wikipedia, "cucumbers were probably first pickled 4400 years ago in Mesopotamia." America's a melting pot of culture and that's what makes us and our music (and our sandwiches) so damn good. Am I right?

kingkongvsgodzilla, Sunday, 27 May 2007 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, to me, Tom Petty sounds way less American than the blues/country/gospel overflow in the music of The Band or CCR. Which to me also makes it a lot better.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 27 May 2007 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I have an irrational hatred for Tom Petty, even though I really enjoy a lot of his songs (e.g. "Don't Come Around Here No More"). He's just one of those artists that theoretically grates on my nerves but he's better than 99% of his dadrock compadres. "The Last DJ" is indefensible though.

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 27 May 2007 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

holy shit I didn't realize "Free Fallin'" came out in 1989!

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 27 May 2007 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

greatest hits was the first record i bought and i have no intention of selling it during my lifetime

pretzel walrus, Sunday, 27 May 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

free fallin was the lead track off full moon fever, wasn't it? god i loved that album...

Just got offed, Sunday, 27 May 2007 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

xhuck pretty much otm.

I think all his records are pretty solid (even if a little spotty) up until the "She's the One" soundtrack, which is really quite good. Check his cover of Beck's "Asshole", Lucinda's "Change the Locks" and "California".
I'm not really familiar with anything after that other than the singles, which have been admittedly kinda lame. But still, 20 years of solid state RnR ('76-'96) ain't bad.

An older, completely insane room mate I once had took me to one of his shows around '99. She got wasted and went into total hair metal band-groupie mode, worked her way past security and befriended the tour manager. She ended up in a room at the Peabody with said manger, Petty and his girlfriend. They stayed up 'til dawn smoking grass.

She returned the next day with a stolen pair of his whitey-tighty underwear complete with "TP" scrawled on the waist-band and a gtr pick that said "ROCK LIVES". I've still got the pick.

will, Sunday, 27 May 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

There is no such thing as "dadrock", but if there is it must be a positive term, as it usually used about GREAT and timeless music, as opposed to useless R&B and hip-hop crap.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 27 May 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link


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