in conclusion, ACAB and NMH is a hero
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:47 (one year ago) link
Maybe a year before that though he played one of the stranger shows I've ever seen, on the second floor of a French wine bar on South Broadway in the middle of the afternoon with all the window blinds closed. With a small band that played a very peculiar style of almost Ranchera type instrumental music. Neil played hidden behind a Japanese screen, and then talked about brunch a lot in-between songs.
i saw this show! was not what i expected at all but felt really special. i'd say there were 6-7 people there
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 20 April 2023 21:43 (one year ago) link
you were there? i was there, too! Or at least I was at the show referred to ... it was like a NMH afternoon residency for a little while. and yeah it was very weird.
― tylerw, Thursday, 20 April 2023 21:44 (one year ago) link
pee is stored in the badge
― the banshees of ed sheeran (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 20 April 2023 22:19 (one year ago) link
I'm fairly sure this was the last time he played L.A. (I was there, as usual). It was similar to the set seen here.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Thursday, 20 April 2023 22:19 (one year ago) link
(I've always enjoyed these two semi-professional live clips from around the same time)
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Thursday, 20 April 2023 22:23 (one year ago) link
also the charges are ridiculous ... like a cop, with a gun, "fearing for his life" because someone threw a bottle or a rock at him ... ugh, fuck cops.
― Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Thursday, 20 April 2023 22:40 (one year ago) link
Kinda gross to be celebrating this event... I don't know the details but a welfare check at 12:30am is most likely noise and/or domestic violence. Friends mentioned he still lives with his wife & daughter, so I wouldn't rush to call Neil a hero, I'd rather hear the whole background first. Like others have said upthread, he's lucky he's white... many less privileged folks die everyday in this country over far less. He needs serious help.
TW, have you heard any details?
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 20 April 2023 23:22 (one year ago) link
my central point is that the cops should not have been the first responders and almost certainly made things worse, given that yes I find his actions inspiring although staggeringly reckless and tbh privileged as I already noted upthread
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Friday, 21 April 2023 00:09 (one year ago) link
xxp Policing isn't even in the top 25 most dangerous jobs in the United States, ffs.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 21 April 2023 00:52 (one year ago) link
The cops in this situation haven't claimed they "feared for their lives" (yet / as far as we know), or were seriously injured. This is all the DPD said in its statement (issued the same day as the arrest):
The three officers involved suffered cuts and abrasions during the struggle. All have been released from the hospital.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Friday, 21 April 2023 16:43 (one year ago) link
you were there? i was there, too! Or at least I was at the show referred to ... it was like a NMH afternoon residency for a little while. and yeah it was very weird.― tylerw, Thursday, April 20, 2023 4:44 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― tylerw, Thursday, April 20, 2023 4:44 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
well, i attended one of those shows, at least, perhaps not the same one
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 21 April 2023 17:13 (one year ago) link
xp - okay, but the thing is ... like, dudes get in a fight and a few dudes get "cuts and abrasions" ... generally they walk away and go "fuck that dude" and that's that. But, because one of the dudes was a cop ... I mean, are we just talking past each other here? Or are there folks on this thread who are actually pro-cop?
― sarahell, Friday, 21 April 2023 20:24 (one year ago) link
This wasn't a "fight," I don't know what to tell you. My concern is his condition / state of mind, and how serious trouble he may be in. If we're going to talk about the charges, may as well be accurate.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Friday, 21 April 2023 20:48 (one year ago) link
(and ppl do get charged with assault in "fight" situations, fwiw)
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Friday, 21 April 2023 20:50 (one year ago) link
I wonder if we’ll see bodycam footage of the arrest?
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 22 April 2023 11:55 (one year ago) link
Is there a way to find out what happened at yesterday's advisement hearing? Apparently that's when bond is set.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 22 April 2023 17:12 (one year ago) link
Here is the Denver County Court case history, looks like bond was set for $500?
https://public.denvercountycourt.org/Case/CaseHistory?CaseNumber=23CR02253
― np (nphominoid), Saturday, 22 April 2023 18:59 (one year ago) link
Here's a GoFundMe for Neil's legal defence and mental health help: https://www.gofundme.com/f/suk3t-neil-hagerty-mental-health-legal-defense
― Murgatroid, Saturday, 22 April 2023 19:21 (one year ago) link
Thx, just saw Jennifer tweet that (Gerald Cosloy, First donation).$500 bond seems reassuringly low.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 22 April 2023 19:46 (one year ago) link
Looking through the names of folks donating, hard not to fantasize about what a kickass benefit EP they could record if they somehow got together in a studio.
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Saturday, 22 April 2023 22:49 (one year ago) link
Bummer revive, I know, but I've listened to more Royal Trux in the last couple days than I have in decades. Gotta come up w/ a POX...
― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Sunday, 23 April 2023 01:08 (one year ago) link
really glad people are focusing on the legal defense/mental health support fundraising ... my instinct is that the bail was set so low because the charges are mostly bullshit, but we can save the ACAB discussion for another thread
― sarahell, Sunday, 23 April 2023 18:53 (one year ago) link
couple of good things if y'all haven't seen them yet — three lobed is donating all proceeds from the (great) hagerty-toth band record to the gofundme: http://threelobed.com/tlr/tlr115.html
same goes for this killer hagerty / ryley walker / ryan jewell collab: https://ryleywalker.bandcamp.com/album/fried-in-denver
― tylerw, Monday, 24 April 2023 14:27 (one year ago) link
and yeah, that $500 bail got my hopes up that maybe it won't be quite as bad for NMH as those charges looked (though I really don't know much about how all this works)
― tylerw, Monday, 24 April 2023 14:28 (one year ago) link
thanks for sharing these Tyler, I've just picked up a copy of the Hagerty-Toth Band record, which I hadn't heard about, sounds like it should be great!
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Monday, 24 April 2023 15:09 (one year ago) link
That one is great, I’ve never heard of the other thing, gonna pick it up now…
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Monday, 24 April 2023 15:39 (one year ago) link
Auction for Hagerty-Toth Band test pressing to raise funds for NH's GoFundMe:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/166050120840
― High School Hospital, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 10:58 (one year ago) link
Here’s a question for those in the know: is there much out there (ie formally released, not bootleg) of live Neil solo stuff from any era?
If not, putting out the best of that might be a good way to raise money for him if a label could swing it.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 11:30 (one year ago) link
NMH is one of those totemic indie figures who I’ve just not gotten ‘round to in a meaningful way (including Pussy Galore and Royal Trux, and it’s embarrassing to admit that it’s only starting to happen now.
BUT:
That self-titled album of his from 2003 is the one I own and know inside and out. Brilliant and confounding, with tunes that pop up on the mental jukebox at random moments.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 11:33 (one year ago) link
Raymond: you might be interested in this--
https://www.discogs.com/master/594330-Neil-Michael-Hagerty-The-Howling-Hex-The-Hildreth-Tapes
― High School Hospital, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 11:35 (one year ago) link
Sorry, this is the record I meant
https://www.discogs.com/master/316960-Neil-Michael-Hagerty-The-Howling-Hex-The-Howling-Hex
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 11:36 (one year ago) link
Thanks HSH, will look into it!
I'm seeing a "campaign not found" msg re NMH from gofundme. Uh oh. I was wondering if this might happen given that gofundme "prohibits raising money for the legal defense of an alleged violent crime." I don't know if that's what is happening here — I hope not.
― jaywbabcock, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 13:52 (one year ago) link
xxp Raymond that is the best one imho
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 14:02 (one year ago) link
xp Oh shit
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 14:15 (one year ago) link
It was up to over $34K last night
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 14:18 (one year ago) link
JH says on her FB post linking to the gofundme campaign: "The LINK is being updated..... PLEASE CHECK BACK LATER"
― jaywbabcock, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 22:58 (one year ago) link
oh phew... fingers crossed it's all good
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 23:03 (one year ago) link
speaking to the concerns abt the charges, as one of the seemingly few ppl itt who has dealt with cops/system in adversarial circumstances as an activist, it is v common for prosecutors to overcharge so that defendants plea out rather than go to trial, this is a cheat tactic to make their conviction rates look good, everybody does it
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Wednesday, 26 April 2023 01:02 (one year ago) link
also $35K is very encouraging
JH says on FB: "Terri (Neil's wife) has to change some of the language.... The lawyers are looking it over and should have updated link sooner than later 🙂 Thanks to Everybody xxx"
― jaywbabcock, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 15:04 (one year ago) link
good news!
another way to help out: https://www.ebay.com/itm/166050120840
― tylerw, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 15:06 (one year ago) link
That one jumped up out of my price range (a good thing!) but I did order a regular copy from Three Lobed to help out a little bit.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 26 April 2023 15:08 (one year ago) link
― jaywbabcock, Wednesday, April 26, 2023 8:04 AM (one hour ago
what a relief!
― sarahell, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 16:31 (one year ago) link
I attended Neil Hagerty's court hearing in Denver this morning. Not much info, but a few updates:- Neil was not present, but his wife+lawyers were- His attorneys say he is still not in a state to be advised/testify- Neil is still in custody- Preliminary trial is set for 5/8— Aaron Dooley (@Aye_Doolz) April 27, 2023
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 April 2023 16:50 (one year ago) link
Oh man, that's hard to hear
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Thursday, 27 April 2023 16:59 (one year ago) link
:(
welp, this sucks on the NMH front. pic.twitter.com/DSSqg5c3tB— QueenCityJamz (@QueenCityJamz) May 4, 2023
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 May 2023 17:02 (one year ago) link
Damn, that sucks. Hoping they get a new one up soon that focuses on the mental health help, guessing this is a result of the issue with not being able to raise funds for legal defense of a "violent" crime.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 4 May 2023 17:10 (one year ago) link
Shit yeah just saw that in my inbox as well
― omar little, Thursday, 4 May 2023 17:13 (one year ago) link