Sounds great. Body/Head is the best post-SY project.
― Position Position, Friday, 5 May 2023 17:02 (one year ago) link
It really is, I just wish all of their stuff outside of Matador wasn't mostly super limited edition.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 May 2023 17:10 (one year ago) link
Yeah, agreed on both fronts.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 5 May 2023 17:28 (one year ago) link
New album March 8th
https://kimgordon.bandcamp.com/album/the-collective
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 14:14 (four months ago) link
Huh. Normally I'm ready to pre-order anything she does, but uh Kim doing her thing over trap beats isn't really grabbing me, at least not on that single. Going to have to wait to hear some more first. Not to knock her, I'm glad she's still completely unafraid to chase down new paths when most of her peers are doing the nostalgia circuit, I'm just not sure this is my speed.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 15:41 (four months ago) link
This is more interesting than the track Paprika Pony from her last album, which was literally just Kim Gordon on top of a trap beat.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 15:48 (four months ago) link
I don't know, this doesn't really sound that different from the stuff on "No Home Record" to me? I like it
― silverfish, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 15:49 (four months ago) link
Yeah, and "Paprika Pony" was one of my least favorite tracks from that one. I don't know, I don't hate it, just not my thing.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 15:50 (four months ago) link
Oh yeah, what I mean is is that it sounds like what if "Paprika Pony" was a little more in line with the rest of "No Home Record".
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 15:54 (four months ago) link
man I love "Paprika Pony"
― assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 22:54 (four months ago) link
which was literally just Kim Gordon on top of a trap beat.
you say that like it's not awesome
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 22:57 (four months ago) link
This is legitimately bad
― Slim is an Alien, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 00:18 (four months ago) link
I will wait patiently for more Body/Head, since that is far more up my alley than what Kim's doing solo these days.
― If I luge, if I luge, if I luge you on the track (Craig D.), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 00:31 (four months ago) link
The song barely qualifies as one, and the video is a make-work project for the kids (stars Gordon's daughter, directed by Flea's daughter). Can't exactly say I'm excited.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 00:40 (four months ago) link
the instrumental rules but the vocals are pretty boring so she should probably produce an album for carti
― ufo, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 06:38 (four months ago) link
might even say the vocals are actively bad
― ufo, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 06:39 (four months ago) link
I like the song, it feels like a distillation of thesis, but I also would be fine with her producing tracks for Carti
― remember how much your mother loves you (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 06:42 (four months ago) link
đđź to Kim for becoming a rapper at 70. I wouldâve expected it during her Free Kitten / X Girl era when she was wearing Starter jackets and John Starks Knicks jerseys. Itâs both embarrassing and not that bad.
― avoid boring people, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 13:42 (four months ago) link
Saying this is ârapâ is insane
― remember how much your mother loves you (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 14:09 (four months ago) link
Kinda my point. Itâs a ârapâ beat and she kinda stays on it. I shouldnât mock it. Sheâs been a part of music life for 35 years.
― avoid boring people, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 14:21 (four months ago) link
I feel like she's occasionally been doing this kind of vocal delivery since at least the 90s
― silverfish, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 14:25 (four months ago) link
Yeah I don't think her vocal delivery is that different here, tbh, it's the context.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 14:44 (four months ago) link
I listened to a little and agree that the instrumental portion is quite good, interesting. However â has her vocal delivery ever been anything but cool and detached? I feel like if anything is weak here (compared to previous recordings that Iâve enjoyed of hers) itâs the lyrics. I feel like she has a hard time putting her heart into it, like sheâs too âcoolâ. Which I get. But if the music isnât esp dynamic and neither are the vocals or lyrics what does that give the listener to pay attention to? Idk.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 15:20 (four months ago) link
Kool Thing sittin' with a kittyNow you know you're sure lookin' prettyLike a lover not a dancerSuperboy take a little chance hereI don't want to, I don't think soI don't want to, I don't think so
Kool Thing let me play it with your radioMove me, turn me on, baby-oI'll be your slaveGive you a shaveI don't want to, I don't think soI don't want to, I don't think so
I mean lyrics have always been the weakest point of Sonic Youth without a doubt and Kim has definitely provided some of the biggest cringes over the yearsâŚI just always feel like if you donât have anything to say just make a better instrumentalâŚwhatâs the point of having your vocals on there just to be front and centerâŚbut thatâs just me and my distorted view of music at this stage
― Slim is an Alien, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 15:47 (four months ago) link
I just try and to listen to the sound of the voice without paying any particular attention to the lyrics. I like the sound of her voice.
― silverfish, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 15:55 (four months ago) link
at least those lyrics are a little goofy? esp when delivered in such a deadpan way? I remember when Swimsuit issue came out and I enjoyed hearing her coo VenDEla, ASHley, and all the other supermodel names. I mean it's not ~heartfelt~ but it means *something*, there's a significance. Also "don't touch my breast, I'm just workin at my desk" is all time imo.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 15:56 (four months ago) link
imo Kim is a GREAT lyricist, always has been, and is doing fine on this new track. Stoopidity has always been her aspiration, writing a femme version of Iggy Pop. Nonchalance and tossed-off half-assed non-sequitur is part of the recipe.
― remember how much your mother loves you (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 16:23 (four months ago) link
Like Gordon pretty-much invented a lyrical style and mode of presentation that Iâd describe as Girl Macho, taking macho punk modes from Ramones and Suicide and femme-ing them, I donât think her genius in this regard can be impugned, nobody does it better than her. Who else could blithely say âiBookâ in a song as a complete stanza and have it be divorced from any âmodern social commentaryâ, just an object sitting there like a shot from Jeanne Dielman
― remember how much your mother loves you (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 16:43 (four months ago) link
Agree with all that. Well put! Thereâs something about her particular application/variety of femme that is (for me) at least partially defined by its lack of traditionally feminine singing techniques, for lack of a better word â the deadpan delivery is part of the appeal. I could never in a million gazillion years be that cool.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:33 (four months ago) link
pitchfork covered the song in their column about new rap songs lolhttps://pitchfork.com/thepitch/kim-gordon-bye-bye-new-song-listen/
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:54 (four months ago) link
Well, I chuckled at âOpium Kim Gâ despite myself
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 18:29 (four months ago) link
I was tickled
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 18:46 (four months ago) link
Another new track out today, "I'm a Man". Slightly more guitar, but still very much in the vein of the lead single.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 February 2024 15:42 (three months ago) link
The new song is much better than the first one, to my ear. And the video's pretty good, too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioKP3ORu0QY
Her current ultra-detached vocal style works sometimes, doesn't work other times, but it's very interesting (for me) to contrast it with her mid '80s style as heard on Walls Have Ears, the Sonic Youth "bootleg" culled from several 1985 UK shows and reissued earlier this month. She does some unhinged howling on there that's incredible, and the complete opposite of the "detached Kim Gordon thing" she's best known (and most often lauded) for.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 15 February 2024 16:00 (three months ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/29/arts/music/kim-gordon-the-collective.html?unlocked_article_code=1.ZU0.28RS.8lCHqmnJxpN4&smid=url-share
NY Times interview
excerpts --
re working with 41 year old producer Jason Raisen
âI probably wouldnât have made a solo album if Justin hadnât bugged me to do it,â Gordon said, referring to âNo Home Record,â their first collaboration from 2019. Raisen told her he was excited to play âThe Collectiveâ for some of the rappers he knows, telling her, âItâs going to blow their minds.â Gordon wanted âThe Collectiveâ to be âmore beat-orientedâ than her previous album. âI donât have a great singing voice, or Iâm not a natural singer," she said, âso rhythm is one of the things that gets me inspired.â ...Gordon and Raisen met after his brother, Jeremiah, a music producer who makes beats under the name Sadpony, had a chance encounter with Gordon at an L.A. restaurant in 2015. He mentioned that his brother had recently worked on the alt-pop star Sky Ferreiraâs acclaimed album âNight Time, My Time.â
âI liked that record, but Iâm not normally impressed when I hear the word âproducer,ââ Gordon said. âMy ears kind of close up.â
When Raisen began sending her some tracks, Gordon was taken aback: âOh, he really gets my sensibility.ââ She described that work with words she frequently uses as her highest artistic compliments: âMinimalistâ and âtrashy.â
A process developed: Raisen sent Gordon tracks he thought would inspire, and she laid down vocals in his studio, later adding layers of distorted guitar and other effects. Gordon has a complicated relationship to the word âmusician,â so Raisen has taken to calling her a ânoise designer.â âSheâs really good at noise designing,â he said.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 1 March 2024 20:59 (three months ago) link
i liked that article. and the pictures are great. she looks awesome. nu-joan didion.
― scott seward, Friday, 1 March 2024 21:01 (three months ago) link
Oh I heard something from this on WFUV, and it was pretty good, but I appreciated it more just for being way harsher than anything they typically play on FUV.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 1 March 2024 21:20 (three months ago) link
imagine being in a restaurant in LA and having to listen to some asshole name dropping about how his brother worked on a Sky Ferreira record and then being like "this is the person who will produce my new record, also he says i should be known as a noise designer now"
no wonder it sucks so much
― budo jeru, Friday, 1 March 2024 23:27 (three months ago) link
Hadn't seen the NYT profile yet, but saw this tidbit in the Stereogum review that mentions it:
âBye Byeâ doesnât just sound like a Playboi Carti song. The beat was actually made for Playboi Carti. According to a recent Kim Gordon profile in the New York Times, Justin Raisen â whoâs produced for indie-rock pop stars like Sky Ferreira and Yves Tumor, hip-hop weirdos like Lil Yachty and Teezo Touchdown, and even rap superstars like Kid Cudi and Drake â was with his brother Jeremiah over the holidays cooking up music to submit to Carti, Atlantaâs king of fractured, illegible, noise-bombed trap music. When they wrapped up the beat that became âBye Bye,â the opener and lead single from Gordonâs new album The Collective, Justin recognized it as perhaps too out-there for even Playboi Carti. âBut it could be cool for Kim,â he told his brother.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 21:07 (two months ago) link
Imagine being Kim Gordon and just doing what you want to do. Sounds pretty great to me.
― grandavis, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 22:13 (two months ago) link
đđ˝
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 22:14 (two months ago) link
'bye bye' rocks
― flopson, Thursday, 7 March 2024 04:28 (two months ago) link
yup
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 7 March 2024 17:28 (two months ago) link
another new cut, Psychedelic Orgasm. actually has a key change! more importantly, the lyrics don't seem quite so didactic/workshop exercised. No Home Record was my #1 of 2019 so I can't wait for this one.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 7 March 2024 20:34 (two months ago) link
This Stereogum interview seems like it may have been a somewhat awkward experience for the writer. I know there have been times I've talked to artists and I've been way more interested in their careers than they were, and that's the feeling I get reading this.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 7 March 2024 20:43 (two months ago) link
I think itâs just a poor interview - maybe overprepared because of anxiety - but many of the questions are both obscure and pretty closed, hereâs my thesis about something you did in 1997, do you agree y/n? Doesnât offer much space for conversation.
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 7 March 2024 20:54 (two months ago) link
I think, also, that some people are compelling artists but not compelling interviewees, you know? Or: if you havenât been interviewed much in recent times you have to get back in shape for that, so to speak.
One thing that really leapt out at me in the mid-2010s when I started listening to lots of interview podcasts is how people would go on multiple podcasts and say the exact same things - John Carpenter was good for that.
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 7 March 2024 21:31 (two months ago) link
https://open.substack.com/pub/toneglow/p/tone-glow-130-writers-panel-and-recommendations?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Some folks are really critical of new Gordon album here on Joshua Minsoo Kimâs substack ( Kim sometimes writes for Pitchfork, I donât know about the panelists he asked here)
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 7 March 2024 22:14 (two months ago) link
had to tap out at this point:
Kim Gordon litmus test: Is it mumble crap when the 70-year-old white woman does it?
I've read a lot of stuff I like on Tone Glow before, but c'mon do people outside of the H0ffman forums still use the "rap = crap" thing in 2024?
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 March 2024 22:19 (two months ago) link
some ageism and/or just lack of nuance in their critiques from reviewers who appear to be young in that Tone Glow panel
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 7 March 2024 22:23 (two months ago) link
Kim's lyrics have always been 95% abysmal, it's sort of part of what is appealing about her whole thingâ they're so bad and forced that the boldness of someone speak-singing them is weirdly magnetic.
I like Body/Head a lot, and am friendly with a lot of people who know KG and say she's the best. I don't doubt it. I'm glad she's still making music and doing weird shit, and as others have said, it's certainly better than Thurston's bad poetry or continued posturing.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 15:52 (two months ago) link
when thurston played around the corner from me - 2018? - and did his instrumental guitar thing with deb googe it was pretty cool. plus, DEB GOOGE. also, he was smart enough to have an ilxor open up for him and it was nice to hang out with them. plus, thurston spent money at my store.
i thought body/head was interesting. i really like bill and what he does.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 16:45 (two months ago) link
also, thurston can do the instro free skronk thing (especially in duo) as well as any other rock person when he wants to. not to be captain-save-a-thurston or anything.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 16:49 (two months ago) link
Yeah, I mean, setting aside (I know, I know) the personal issues with Thurston, he's still done some interesting stuff since SY split. His bad poetry is indeed bad and not needed, but that three disc instrumental thing, Spirit Counsel, was really good.
And I seem to be in the minority, but I actually liked that Chelsea Light Moving band he briefly had with Samara Lubelski and Keith Wood.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 17:09 (two months ago) link
my only complaint about The Collective (cd) is the bass (kicks & low freqs) are mixed so loud that i can't turn up the volume unless the bass pot is dialed back to 20% on my receiver, making everything else sound thin asF. it's a gnarly sounding album, which is pleasing.
― Lowell N. Behold'n, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 22:37 (two months ago) link
this isn't bad but the idea of it is better than it actually is. like it's cool and exciting she's making something that sounds like this but i'm not really moved by the result
― ufo, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 09:09 (two months ago) link
I'm finding the thing (album) to be sonically pleasing and interesting on a sound design / production level. Not bcz 'omg, it's kim gordon--she's 70 years old, how audacious!)' ... it's a compelling listen. I'm into free-form noise art and have a couple of body/head CDs, but they haven't grabbed me like this one has. still haven't heard no home record
― Lowell N. Behold'n, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 11:39 (two months ago) link
To my ears this is a lot better than No Home Record - more âof a pieceâ in a way thatâs sticky, that makes me want to return to it.
Body/Head is overall more my thing but thatâs probably because noisy guitars
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 11:43 (two months ago) link
I'm with ufo. The monochromatic mood and pace aren't attracting me yet.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 11:50 (two months ago) link
there are things to like about it for sure and i think it's onto something with the mix of sounds here, i just don't love it. i would love to hear more noise rock/rage fusion like "bye bye" for sure
― ufo, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 14:15 (two months ago) link
only listened a couple times but nothing seemed to reach the high of âbye byeâ, although there are some pretty cool beats and i liked the vocal distortion effect on some songs
― flopson, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 15:15 (two months ago) link
one thing is for sure, anyone who likes this album should listen to the song "x & sex" by osamason
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 16:10 (two months ago) link
Interesting article about a copyright lawsuit centered around a photo of Gordon. Something I learned by reading this article: Richard Prince did the cover to Sonic Nurse.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 24 May 2024 15:16 (one week ago) link
"Everyone involved here is still an outsider punk kid in their own mind."
― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Friday, 24 May 2024 15:42 (one week ago) link
that's a great line. thanks for that article, I hadn't heard about this (I was familiar with the Emily Ratakjowski controversy though).
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 25 May 2024 00:16 (one week ago) link