Nick Cave : Classic or Dud ?

I’m sure people like nick who are very concerned that people being criticised online will create a stifling and oppressive atmosphere of enforced consensus will have loads to say about the preemptive arrest of peaceful protesters at the coronation

it might even make for a good song lyric ... like how The Witness Song was about hypocrisy ... he could, draw on that, yeah....

sush now I like sue and her dresses. but the commodification of cave that has swept the culture has gotten rather tiresome. there are few better performers on stage though.

You know who's a jovial character whose hair I would never mock? Robert Smith.

"they've never done anything, they're fucking idiots"

it's going to be a week of total Royal mania for the #Coronation so here is Robert Smith to provide some balance 😌pic.twitter.com/aIfJKNB2Q4

— dave ❄️ 🥕 🧻 (@mrdavemacleod) May 1, 2023

I'm sure that's been seen a million times already, but he provides a reassuring contrast.

man that is glorious

all the love.

He’s such an idiot

The rock star does not agree with the way he was recently depicted in the New Statesman as a conservative, following news he would attend the coronation of King Charles. However, he said: “I have these days what I would call a conservative temperament” and is “conservative with a small c”.

he was on This Cultural Life last week and more than half of it felt like Nick Cave talking about his favourite subject, Nick Cave. He's probably one of his own most devoted superfans.

Twat with a large t.

xp I feel like I need to open a window every time I read any words of his

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzsmciMNAGU

which sort of sensible is cave do you think? enthusiastic starmer supporter? lib dem voter (paradoxically probably less bad than the rest at this point)? really just a straight up tory?

This Cultural Life had Gilbert & George on the previous week and tbf they talked about themselves a lot as well. But they were witty, amusing in places, had interesting things to say about events in their life and some good anecdotes/stories to tell. In short, the absolute opposite to Kick Knave who goes spelunking up his own arsehole every time a mic is put in front of him and a question is asked.

xp small c conservative I just parse as “straight up Tory”

he means it as distinct from being a capital c Conservative Party supporter though. starmer is absolutely a small c conservative for instance

Yeah, I know that? It’s a difference that is meaningless imo

he's probably wrote multiple blogs about how he, Nick Cave, is too much of a complex artistic genius to be constrained by the tribalism of UK parliamentary politics. But will vote Conservative every time for lower taxation reasons.

"This Cultural Life"

yes, that is the title of a weekly r4 program. What be your point?

well i left off 'voter'

I'm not familiar with the program in question but is the expectation that celebrity guests are not supposed to discuss themselves and their work?

xxp I listen to programs with similar focus, but I just hate that title so much, "This Cultural Life".

ah, yeah it does indeed suck.

xp

as I explained Gilbert & George did this in a more truthful and entertaining way, and went more into artists or artefacts that have influenced them and were quite amusing with it. Rather than this po-faced wanker droning on about himself at much greater length. Anyway, fuck him.

I think it was Gilbert who said he loved reading the Van Gogh letters when he was a kid, because he saw an artist "who unlike a lot of the artists around him - he didn't play by the rules and he won". That was a nice line. I couldn't quote you one memorable line of Nick Cave, because even when he talks about other artists or influences it's still all ultimately about Nick Cave.

https://www.theredhandfiles.com/how-do-you-feel/

I also have another impulse, which I hope is more common, and that is to treat everyone with equal love and respect, regardless of their race, gender, sexuality, religion or anything else. I essentially see the world as a collection of individuals, each unique in their brokenness, who have at their core a common and binding sameness of spirit. So, Amelia, although I am slightly uncertain as to where I am supposed to stand on such things, or rather why I am supposed to stand anywhere, I will say this – I love my trans fans fully and wish them the best, as I love all my fans and wish them the best. I feel toward them that same duty of care that I feel toward all those who exist within my sphere. I also wish for them to receive every right inherent to them and for them to lead lives of dignity and freedom, devoid of violence and prejudice. I wish these things as I wish them for all people.

Beautiful humanist statement from the Iron Lady there

I was gifted a copy of the Nick Cave and Seán O'Hagan interview book, "Faith Hope and Carnage," and I'm finding it surprisingly thought-provoking. Nick Cave's current disposition is as much of a surprise as Albini's turnaround, but I appreciate his newfound open-book qualities. His answers to various questions and prompts about grief, religion, the creative process and the like are often both profound and incisive.

https://pitchfork.com/news/nick-cave-and-the-bad-seeds-announce-new-album-wild-god-share-song-listen/

Damn, Bad Seeds definitely in the house for this one

Haven't liked much since Dig, Lazarus, Dig, and this is ok but I still think I'm done.

But curious about how his brand diversification is coming along and fucking hell his t-shirts are £50?

I'm obviously out of the loop but when did they part ways with Mute?

I think Dig, Lazarus, Dig was the last album on Mute.

This is good but it reminds me a bit of Tenacious D.

This is their label now! You can download their accounts and everything. Probably linked to a distribution deal with a major, is that how these things work nowadays?

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08097565

this one's quite good once it gets going, reminds me a bit of abbatoir blues/lyre of orpheus which remains my favourite

it looks like they have a 'partnership' with PIAS for this album, after carnage was released through AWAL and the previous three were completely on their own label (though surely with a distribution deal with a major or something behind the scenes)

I am not really in the mood for Nick Cave right now and have probably been slow drifting out of the zone since Mick Harvey left the Bad Seeds... but I'm sure I will look back in 10 years in a reevaluative mood and feel this is fine or better

Abattoir Blues / Lyre of Orpheus definitely the last one I was knocked out by

Wow, for me the new song is so awful it transcends parody.

I concur, the last Nick I loved was the 2nd Grinderman LP. He's on his own artistic journey but it's not one that I find compelling. I guess I just miss the intensity and vague danger of his old work.

He’s deeply in love with himself as an allegorical fabulist, but the stories are trite and boring (cf his novels as well). Coupled with the Christlike pose struck in his goodwill-to-all-men missives … nah. Hope you enjoyed the coronation pal.

his lyrics have always been the worst thing about his art and it's basically a wonder that i can tolerate them at all really

outro sounds horrible

Daughter got sent a pre-sale link for the new arena tour, only seats available to her a hour in were back row of the side seating near the back so possibly the worst seats in the whole place. ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR POUNDS. Before fees. Fuck that shit.

my partner got a standing one for £75 which i think is about the same as last time, maybe £5-10 more.

which is still expensive imo!

£144 is insane.

They might have started there but dynamic pricing and ticket bots just pushed them through the roof.

She's going to try again on general sales on Friday and has set herself a £100 upper limit, which is still too rich for my blood.

Is visiting Europe possible for her? See a great city, get slightly cheaper Nick Cave tickets?

That's an option, or she could just get over it. </caring dad>

xp my first show was a few years back at an outdoor show at castle in the Austrian countryside and i can’t imagine wanting to see it anywhere else, let alone a packed theater.

He’s deeply in love with himself as an allegorical fabulist, but the stories are trite and boring (cf his novels as well). Coupled with the Christlike pose struck in his goodwill-to-all-men missives … nah. Hope you enjoyed the coronation pal.

yeah...for me the process is when I was younger I considered him a great lyricist. then two things happened: he got older and so did I. the fiery pyrotechnics of his younger writing gave way to his version of mature writing, but he's not really as good at that, and the pyrotechnic stuff ("Mutiny!" and most of the first Bad Seeds album typify what I mean by that -- hyperverbal excited stuff dense with lurid imagery) I'd kind of outgrown, though I can still get a kick out of it. I'll go to the mat for him as a performer, I think he has few peers and even continues to grow, but as a writer that's just not what I'm into as a grownup. it has taken me years to admit this.

We got standing tickets for Glasgow and they were about £72 each all told, with excruciating fees of course.

She must just be unlucky with Cardiff then.