agree that Araçá Azul is great. my original pressing is one of my prized possessions -- one of a handful acquired at tropicalia in furs in NYC
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 02:40 (one year ago) link
gonna throw that on now, thanks thread
prob discussed earlier but his autobiography is great, recommended
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 02:42 (one year ago) link
yep, I'm brazilian! I'm from Pernambuco, northeast
but I'm living in NYC for the last 6 years.
Verdade tropical is all time. the prison chapter is just heartbreaking. but a lot of what makes it great is also in the chapters about his youth and formation, and his love of joão gilberto. it's such a great microcosmos on what his vision (and everybody else near him, to be honest) was like
― fpsa, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 03:25 (one year ago) link
agreed, and iirc it discusses that same manifesto?
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 03:31 (one year ago) link
yes, it does. the manisfesto is a huge thing here – it all relates to an idea of what constitutes modernism for Brazil, a few decades out of being under Portugal and being a nation, and facing industrialization and what constituted our identity.
macunaíma, the novel, is a clear manifestation of these ideas early on – it's pretty clear the connection here to Tropicáliahttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/07/books/mario-de-andrade-macunaima-apprentice-tourist.html There's also the movie from 69, recently restored https://mubi.com/films/macunaima https://www.bam.org/film/2023/macunaima
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1973 was a great year for weirder, bold albums in general - here's a cool collection of them: https://musica.uol.com.br/noticias/redacao/2013/07/03/experimentalismo-censura-e-partes-intimas-artistas-revelam-segredos-de-5-capas-classicas-da-mpb.htm
joão donato - quem é quem. rip, just died today, a rã is brazil in less than 3 minutes. bossa nova heavyweight/pianist extraordinaire goes funky and moody. a lot of counterpoints, syncopation but so tight and breezy.milton nascimento - milagre dos peixes. if you love rock bottom, r. wyatt, and the most floating/wordless stuff beach boys done such as surf's up or cabinessence, go for this asap. gal costa - índia (<3 relance)araçá azultom zé - todos os olhos (best(? sad really) song ever about torture and hopelessness, the title track here)walter franco - ou não (nww list record, warped mpb/rock record)paulinho da viola – nervos de aço (samba-canção from the greatest)luiz melodia - "pérola negra" swinging/moody popsoulrock record, Rio de Janeiro at 3am, boozy melancholy vibe. amazingjoão gilberto - s/t (the white album)tim maia - st (tim in front of a forest) party record all timeNovos Baianos - Novos Baianos F.C.the satwa record (hometown shoutout!)
― fpsa, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 04:02 (one year ago) link
see also: Marconi Notaro!
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 04:18 (one year ago) link
true
― fpsa, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 04:20 (one year ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=336724227486111 <- caetano doing some of his araça tour on br tv (this program was Elizeth Cardoso's program. She was the first to record bossa nova https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQZrsKhSm-w)
― fpsa, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 04:40 (one year ago) link
Thanks for all the context fpsa. I'd heard about antropofagia within the tropicalia context but didn't know where the concept came from originally.
All I've heard about the movie Caetano Veloso directed is it's nigh on unwatchable, anyone caught it?
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 10:01 (one year ago) link
Hardly anyone managed that in Portugal I think
ummmm, have you heard quarteto 1111's "ode to the beatles" ?!
(just kidding)
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 17:55 (one year ago) link
lol I have but am surprised you have as well! I guess Quarteto 1111 might come across the radars of psych diggers? Certainly frontman José Cid never stops mentioning his prog album showing up on some Japanese best of list
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 20:32 (one year ago) link
Araçá Azul -- wow! Talk about a record with a sound that doesn't match the cover art.
― Terrycoth Baphomet (bendy), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 18:03 (one year ago) link
haha yeah
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 18:32 (one year ago) link
does anybody know what the lyrics are to "Gilberto Misterioso"?
when i sing it to myself i normally go
gil hing gil hee gil ha jeenyo
― budo jeru, Thursday, 20 July 2023 01:40 (one year ago) link
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, July 18, 2023 3:32 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
i can't really remember how i came across them but yeah it was probably on one of many "worldwide psych" benders. "os monstros sagrados" is a great track!
― budo jeru, Thursday, 20 July 2023 01:42 (one year ago) link
Sol ré /// It's a play on musical notes (G is Sol, and Sol is also Sun in pt-br) and Ré (D and also backwards)Sol-ol /// Just aliteration on Sun again here
Gil engendra /// You prob know this is Gilberto Gil, but the rest is just a ref to a poem from Sousandrade, a wacky/weird modern poet – engendra means engender, to produce, spawn something. So, Gil produces...Em Gil rouxinol /// ... In(inside?) Gil nightingaleGil engendraEm Gil rouxinol
Great song. Reminds me of Red Crayola in a way, but Caetano goes all the way on these micro/minimal songs with full wordplay on other poetry/folksongs. Transa has something kinda similar to this as well.
― fpsa, Thursday, 20 July 2023 02:43 (one year ago) link
you can also go deep here! http://lendocancao.blogspot.com/2019/09/gil-engendra-em-gil-rouxinol-gilberto.html
― fpsa, Thursday, 20 July 2023 02:46 (one year ago) link
My cats went batshit for that song. Not a real rouxinol, guys!
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 20 July 2023 08:30 (one year ago) link
right, okay, it's coming back to me (?)
i'm guessing gilberto gil must've been nicknamed "rouxinol" at some point
https://i.discogs.com/r9cCGopnifM_TeraxlczLibNIlbXaVi7z3q5vLk_x7U/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:586/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTU2NDc1/OTgtMTM5ODg4NDU0/MS02NTg3LmpwZWc.jpeg
― budo jeru, Thursday, 20 July 2023 22:20 (one year ago) link
ok blogspot post leads to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt1yv-c8a54
― budo jeru, Thursday, 20 July 2023 22:28 (one year ago) link
<3
― fpsa, Friday, 21 July 2023 00:59 (one year ago) link
Seeing video clips of his current US tour and wishing I had been back in town to have seen him last night in dc area gig at Strathmore. They’re now saying this is his last US tour. Oh well, at least I have seen him a few times before .
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 14:18 (five months ago) link
When I saw that he was touring, I was bummed that he wasn't coming to Chicago. Or maybe he is and I somehow missed it?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 14:31 (five months ago) link
the show is great, saw him at BAM. HOWEVER!!! Historical revisionism now makes brazillians sing along to "You don't know me" but when he plays fucking Cajuina almost no one does!!! I mean, I love Transa – but people, for the love of god, there are other Caetano records lol.
― fpsa, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 14:53 (five months ago) link
i like both of those songs but it's much easier for me to sing the songs that are in a language i know how to speak ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 16:51 (five months ago) link
although i will cop to yogurting quite a bit to caetano's music, lol
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 16:52 (five months ago) link
I don’t think you missed a Chicago gig Josh, looks like it was just an east coast and west coast Veloso tour
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 17:32 (five months ago) link
budo jeru, I have no qualms with english-speaking fans - but BAM was packed with Brazilians tho!!! And my larger point is – Transa became in the last 25 years something of a OK Computer for regular listeners, and becomes really boring to see people hyping it to the extreme while completely disregarding the rest of a huge catalog. And Cajuína is a hit! From a even bigger successful record, Cinema Transcendental (a hit about suicide and the loss of a son, but still, such a pretty song)
― fpsa, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 20:55 (five months ago) link
(the listeners who disregard everything but Transa in the post above are again, BRA listeners. most US/Europe/Japan fans love Caetano all around mostly)
― fpsa, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 20:56 (five months ago) link
it's a pet peeve of mine, sorry. it happens with other artists as well – people who only love Tábua de Esmeralda but not all Jorge Ben, or people who love Racional Vol1 but don't listen to Tim Maia. It's similar to someone saying they love Dub but can't listen to Reggae - gtfo!!!
― fpsa, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:03 (five months ago) link
right. i mean, i have basically never heard anyone talk about Transa so i don't even know what it would be like to have your experience. i have heard Cinema Transcendental many times and, while i like it, respectfully i don't think it comes close to Transa. but that's a bit like saying this or that painting doesn't come close to the Sistine Chapel or something (sorry if i'm inadvertently adding to the hype)
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:20 (five months ago) link
haha no worries. I love Transa, it's one of a kind, but it's just 1 part of Caetano
Cinema Transcendental punches above the weight for me in several songs – Cajuina, the title track, Lua de São Jorge. I heard this songs in the radio, it's not that fair, I do love them a lot. It's a poppier/breezier side to Caetano for sure. I associate it with a general type of light MPB tracks for the early 80s that, in a larger sense, became what people associate with MPB as a 'genre' for a long time
― fpsa, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 22:41 (five months ago) link
btw, he was touring recently a show playing Transa in full again – so there's some hope he does that show here as well (but with a diff band – you almost need a hardcore/grind drummer for a track like Neolithic Man! true freak folk <3)
― fpsa, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 22:44 (five months ago) link
Caetano Veloso & his sister Maria Bethânia are doing a bunch of gigs together in Brazil shortly I see on his Instagram page
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 July 2024 14:07 (two months ago) link
Bethânia is WAY more than Caetano's sister! lol
― fpsa, Tuesday, 16 July 2024 14:34 (two months ago) link
I know!
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 July 2024 15:00 (two months ago) link
Since when does "his sister" translate to "merely his sister"?
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 16 July 2024 16:20 (two months ago) link
she's named after one of caetano's tunes iirc
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Tuesday, 16 July 2024 16:32 (two months ago) link