It just seems like the writer is saying that unlike a lot of popular indie acts these days, Big Thief is a band in the old fashioned sense of that. That Perpetua is like "what about Fugazi or Jam Bands?" is missing the point.
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:31 (ten months ago) link
\no editor i've met would let me get away with any of the "stylistic flourishes" in that piece, and they'd be right to stop me
― ivy., Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:40 (ten months ago) link
Never having heard them, my takeaway from the article is that they're Edie Brickell and the New Bohemians for Gen Z?Also I hope the writer soon realizes the fine line between cute and irritating.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:45 (ten months ago) link
and as a closer, the raucous stomp-along of “Spud Infinity” was — speaking in the strictest dictionary definition of a “hoot and a holler” — a hoot and a holler.
:|
― ivy., Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:47 (ten months ago) link
As usual I blame the uh infelicities in this piece on editing, which includes perhaps nixing the idea entirely. That said, Perpetua was wrong to shame such a young writer.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:49 (ten months ago) link
oh don't get me wrong, perpetua should take a long look in the mirror, genuinely one of the most embarrassing people to ever do it
― ivy., Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:52 (ten months ago) link
just can't help thinking that if i, as a young music writer, were indulged in this way, all of my pieces would be unreadable, and a great number of them already are (to me), and i think one of the jobs of the people who read these pieces before they upload them to the internet is to make them less embarrassing for the writer's sake, so they can look back with pride on their work and the collaboration that resulted in it
alas
― ivy., Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:54 (ten months ago) link
exactly
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 14:56 (ten months ago) link
But maybe the roiling tempo of internet fandom in 2023 is simply too resting-fascist to put its faith in a band that reworks its setlist each night
The roiling tempo is resting-fascist?
― jmm, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 15:10 (ten months ago) link
resting fash face
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 15:19 (ten months ago) link
wait are they saying that internet fans aren't fans? i thought they were popular! even got a recent 40 page piece in the new yorker. (okay, it just felt like 40...) my 20 year old drove from montreal canada to northampton ma to see them last week. that's some sorta fandom.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 15:30 (ten months ago) link
(and no offense to the writer of new yorker piece. anything written about indie rock over 500 words is probably a bit long for me...felt the same way about the national and wxahchee things that i tried to skim in 30 seconds. new yorker is nu-pitchfork.)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 15:33 (ten months ago) link
If I were a light-touch editor inclined only to use my red pencil on one line in the piece, it would indeed be that “resting-fascist” one.
― Empty Tushy Fills (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 15:45 (ten months ago) link
none of you would even know me if i had had a more heavy-penciled editor when i started writing. and now you can all say: "EXACTLY!"
― scott seward, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 16:10 (ten months ago) link
lol i mean also getting edited to death is one of the reasons i have the most merciless and evil editor of all time living in my head, and they are the reason i spend agonizing amounts of time on everything i write, so ymmv
having an editor who understands you and appreciates/prioritizes your voice but helps you refine it and clear away the garbage is priceless, i've been lucky to have a few
― ivy., Wednesday, 26 July 2023 16:22 (ten months ago) link
It's 2023, I can't imagine any publication doing much in between "Make this read like our house style" or "Don't edit this at all"
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 16:59 (ten months ago) link
does stereogum even pay people? because if not then yeah they can write whatever they want.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:03 (ten months ago) link
lol what IS the stereogum house style, btw?
― scott seward, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:04 (ten months ago) link
I'm not conjecturing on Stereogum in particular, I'm just saying anyone expecting any world where someone is line-editing over your shoulder like William Shawn editing John Hersey's Hiroshima or whatever, well, you need to stop waiting for the Don Draper drink cart to roll in...
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:11 (ten months ago) link
They pay a little.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:13 (ten months ago) link
yeah thats understood all you have to do is read something online to know that. its pretty dire.
x-post
― scott seward, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:13 (ten months ago) link
“You want us to EDIT your piece , kid? Oh sure, let me go down the hall and get Ezra Pound for you.”
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:23 (ten months ago) link
when I wrote for XLR8R right before the great dying (2009-2011), I was edited constantly. we made fun of publications that used a lot of flowery prose and flourishes that said little about the actual music. i know i sound like an old man, but yeah, that piece needed a good editor, so that the young writer could get a sense of what it might mean to actually write about music instead of writing a meta-commentary on their own experience of the music and its cultural connotations
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:32 (ten months ago) link
Stereogum's "masthead" lists five editors, seems reasonable to imagine they do some editing.
― Empty Tushy Fills (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:38 (ten months ago) link
Maybe they all work on the company sailboat
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:40 (ten months ago) link
There's also a big gap between line-by-line editing and not touching a piece at all... they could encourage certain things to be rethought, approached a different way, etc. (maybe they did, and the initial draft was even more out-there!)
― Empty Tushy Fills (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:41 (ten months ago) link
― but also fuck you (unperson),
and they pay fastq
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:42 (ten months ago) link
i wrote some nothing 100 word thing for an indie rock magazine once and i swear they made me rewrite it ten times. then they never paid me for it. and THAT is all i need to know about indie rock.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:45 (ten months ago) link
see i just learned to write by writing a bunch of crappy garbage and posting it to the internet. after 30 years of doing that i'm actually a pretty good writer now apparently. still haven't ever gotten paid for it, but i'm slowly working on getting rid of my inferiority complex about that.
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 20:16 (ten months ago) link
I learned to write by stealing from most of you all.
but I guess it didn't take.
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 20:56 (ten months ago) link
Great couplet.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 20:56 (ten months ago) link
😬
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 20:59 (ten months ago) link
(seriously though, lots of phrases that I've adopted into my daily vernacular have come from here!)
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 26 July 2023 21:00 (ten months ago) link
like when I go to the dentist I yell "we want hen fap!"
was this written by AI
https://chorus.fm/reviews/greta-van-fleet-starcatcher/
― Frozen CD, Friday, 4 August 2023 16:21 (nine months ago) link
this review sucks, but AI usually doesn't use colloquialisms like "give their right arm" or even say things like "snarky takes".
AI writing tends to be very bland, repetitive, and mind-numbing like this example from a Fuel fansite that seems to mostly consist of weird, overlong, error filled AI-generated articles about drumming:
https://www.fuelrocks.com/chevy-chase-and-steely-dan-unraveling-the-drumming-mystery/
― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Friday, 4 August 2023 16:32 (nine months ago) link
Lmao that is baaaad
― the new drip king (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2023 16:43 (nine months ago) link
thanks for the new name
― Chevy Chase drumming mystery (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 4 August 2023 17:00 (nine months ago) link
instantly obsessed with that Fuel piece... amazing work
― Nonhuman biologics enthusiast (morrisp), Friday, 4 August 2023 17:36 (nine months ago) link
The fuel website also has useful non-drumming related content: https://www.fuelrocks.com/sustainable-solutions-how-to-properly-dispose-of-55-gallon-drums-of-oil/
― Chevy Chase drumming mystery (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 4 August 2023 18:03 (nine months ago) link
Title could be shorter, “Eric”: https://www.fuelrocks.com/mastering-midi-channel-invasion-for-getgood-drums-a-step-by-step-guideintroductionbriefly-explain-what-midi-channel-invasion-is-and-its-relevance-in-using-getgood-drums-highlight-the-importance-of-ma/
― Chevy Chase drumming mystery (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 4 August 2023 18:11 (nine months ago) link
Oh shit:https://www.fuelrocks.com/kid-rock-iconoclastic-american-singer-songwriter-dies-at-46/
― Chevy Chase drumming mystery (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 4 August 2023 18:22 (nine months ago) link
Pour one out for the Kid...
― Nonhuman biologics enthusiast (morrisp), Friday, 4 August 2023 18:25 (nine months ago) link
Keep reading those articles, they get funnier and funnier
― the new drip king (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2023 19:00 (nine months ago) link
https://www.fuelrocks.com/prince-harry-and-his-drumming-skills-unveiling-the-musical-side-of-the-duke-of-sussex/
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Friday, 4 August 2023 19:54 (nine months ago) link
hahaha that's the mother lode wow
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 August 2023 20:03 (nine months ago) link
Truly we have found the great mystery here
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 August 2023 20:13 (nine months ago) link
Key Points
The collaboration between Will Ferrell and Red Hot Chili Peppers was an unforgettable and unforgettable experience for both the performers and the audience. A world audience was treated to Will Ferrell’s drumming skills alongside the legendary rock band as they created a musical and entertainment fusion that was both entertaining and popular.
This collaboration will have a long-term impact as well as an immediate impact. As a result, creativity has no boundaries, and artists can experiment and express themselves in a variety of creative ways. Aside from expanding Will Ferrell’s reach into new genres, the collaboration also provided him with new avenues for future collaborations and projects with artists such as the Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Flaming Lips, and many others.
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Friday, 4 August 2023 20:55 (nine months ago) link
that kid rock article gets his age wrong too, which seems like something AI should be able to get right
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 August 2023 21:19 (nine months ago) link
Sachin Tendulkar is one of the greatest batsmen of all time, no doubt about it!
― Chevy Chase drumming mystery (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 4 August 2023 22:32 (nine months ago) link